08-23-2007 09:50 PM
I did take the telephones for granted! Good catch! But I didn't take the cars for granted. I noticed the first three chapters had several mentions of the automobile, including Myrtle's husband owning a garage and wanting to buy a car from Tom. (How sleazy to visit his lover's husband face to face. It shows his arrogance and lack of common decency!) You are right to point out that society is just getting faster paced with advanced technologies and mechanics. The airplane will soon be crossing oceans.
Nick seemed to be attracted to Jordan because of some of these modern qualities and her self-confidence. She's not too snobbish to go to Gatsby's party but she is at home in Buchanans' set as well. Like Nick, she bridges both worlds with outward ease. Puzzling that her possible dishonesty in the game doesn't bother him, if anything more forgiveable because she's a woman. I sensed some old-fashioned condescension there. What did others think? Does it mean that Nick is willing to turn a blind eye to deceit,
He must turn a blind eye to deceit and dishonesty, because he was part of Daisy's scheme to see Gatsby and also he was with Tom when he visited Myrtle. He didn't seem liable to pass judgement on them since he even helped Daisy see Gastsby and could have left the company of Tom and Myrtle when they were together. So how honest was Nick? If he didn't approve of Jordan's dishonesty, he never rebuked her for any of it. So are we saying that Nick was honest but he didn't care whether other people are honest or not?
08-24-2007 11:52 PM
We're moving on to chapters 4-6 tomorrow in the next thread.
08-26-2007 10:16 PM
Notthing in your message, kiakar.
We're moving on to chapters 4-6 tomorrow in the next thread.
Mine is the last paragraph of Leo's. I goofed up with trying to eliminate some of it. It got all mingled in together. ha.
01-17-2008 04:25 PM - edited 01-17-2008 04:34 PM
I hope I'm not too late for the discussion. But I heard people were thinking about discussing JD Salinger's "Catcher." Catcher and Gatsby would be interesting to do together. I've read Catcher, and only 2 chapters of Gatsby thus far. I just came from the Dracula discussion, and, along with other things, it's about how we tend to encapsulate time or tend to put it into different time frames, circles, or spheres. Indeed, we always fall under the spell of the contemporary. Well, squashed a little flatter, the circle might become an oval or something egg-shaped, and, Whoola!,we get a smoother transition from the 1800's to the roaring 20's- where I find an aftermath of the issues and concerns of the 1800's, where I find that the transcendentalist now takes the shape of a garbage man, and where I find, of course, an egg is a little more than egg. This can't be happening! But it will be interesting...
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01-21-2008 02:04 PM - edited 01-21-2008 02:31 PM
PS- The colors, lines and shapes of the 20's would later become new lines, breaks or cracks- some invisible to the human eye or undetectable by human senses.
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01-22-2008 12:35 PM - edited 01-22-2008 01:02 PM
Gray would be the color of the army, but soldiers don't necessarily retain this color. Grey becomes othey colors when flying flags, or perhaps when veterans throw lavish parties like Gatsby's. So, something colorless becoming colorful would be the important point.
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01-24-2008 07:29 PM - edited 01-24-2008 07:40 PM
PS- examples of "shapes producing lines" might be Daisy's string of pearls. Where the shapes of the pearls become a line that she crosses when she places them around her neck before she marries Tom. Her neck later becomes a shade of grey.
examples of "lines producing shapes" might be something like a new contraption of the telephone, where a line produces or shapes events on either end. Perhaps the lines become the shape of the character's homes or "shape" their homes. And the character of Gatsby moves from something flat to something three dimensional. Or the entire book begins with one sentence or one line and gardually takes shape around the character of Nick Carraway. Well, I think we get it anyway....
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01-26-2008 10:49 AM - edited 01-26-2008 11:28 AM
So, that need to be 3d, to be more than what we were, especially after the war, was reflected in the culture and art of the times, but perhaps that need blinded the culture of the 1920's, with it's Gatzby parties, glitz, and glamour. Perhaps, some would even take advantage of that need, and obscure or create new lines with color and lavish parties which would eventually lead to World War II. The key to our own survival, as Fitzgerald thought, would rest on the fragility of language, or the fragility of an egg.
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01-27-2008 12:14 PM - edited 01-27-2008 12:43 PM
This is Gatsby in a choppy nutshell, or should I say eggshell?- but another great classic and it raises some interesting questions about our US history.
PS-Perhaps the conversion and convergence of the 1d, 2d and 3d might move you into 4th dimension of some kind. It's also interesting that astronomers have postulated the shape of the universe might be the shape of a horn or something conical. Or perhaps the universe is a large egg that continually forms and cracks- something akin to the big bang theory.
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01-28-2008 11:24 AM - edited 01-28-2008 11:53 AM
PS- So, in this novel, language is shape, color, sound, line- any, all, or none of these. It's as simple or as complicated as that.
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01-29-2008 05:33 PM
I keep going on and on, but what's next?
01-29-2008 06:04 PM
PS-The western front of WW1 may have helped create new eggs and new "breaks."