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First Editions, Part I
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07-06-2007 05:32 PM
In the most general sense, the term “first edition” refers to the form in which a book appeared when it was initially made available for sale to the public. For example, Ernest Hemingway’s “For Whom the Bell Tolls” was originally released as a hardcover, bound in beige cloth. The copyright page contains the name of the publisher (Scribners) and the date of publication (1940), as well as the upper case letter “A”. Scribners used the letter “A” on copyright pages to identify its first editions throughout the 1940s. Most publishers employ similar sorts of codes, and obviously knowing these codes is a good way determine whether a book is a first edition (we’ll come back to this later). The first version of the dust jacket for the book included a large photograph of Hemingway on the back cover, but did not credit the photographer. (The first version of the jacket is relatively scarce – later versions have the photographer’s name beneath the photo). Any copy of “For Whom the Bell Tolls” that possesses all of these features is said to belong to the “first edition”. Because the book was written by Ernest Hemingway, there were many later editions of the book: the hardcover re-print produced by the publisher Blakiston in Philadelphia in 1944 (different cloth, jacket and copyright text than the original Scribners), the British edition published by Jonathan Cape in 1941 (also different cloth, jacket, and copyright text), the recent Simon & Schuster paperback edition (completely revised text, different format), etc.
The various features that are unique to the first edition, like the missing photographer’s credit on the back cover of “For Whom the Bell Tolls”, are called “points”. Points distinguish true first editions from similar looking editions. Identifying first editions requires a bit of detective work and points are the clues. For some titles, a single point is enough to determine whether the book in question belongs to the first edition. Others require the presence of several points (for instance, a copy of “For Whom the Bell Tolls” in beige cloth but lacking the “A” on the copyright page is not a first edition). We’ll talk more about identifying first editions later, for now I want to make sure that everyone understands what first editions are. If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask. If it’s not entirely clear, don’t worry – we’ll be discussing first editions pretty frequently here.
I’m curious to know whether any of you collect first editions and which first editions you’re most proud of …..
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07-07-2007 12:04 PM
I can see how for somebody interested in collecting first editions, the research into original printings and points becomes important.
I realize, though, that this just doesn't particularly interest me personally. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I just don't u understand. I accept that first editions can sell for more money than other editions, but is there anything intrinsically in a first edition that makes it more valuable as a book? Or is its value simply (simply!) that because it is scarce people are willing to pay more for it?
I suppose it's no different with any other collecting passion -- stamps or matchboxes or spoons or whatever. But somehow in my mind, books are different because they have an intrinsic value in their contents which most other collectibles lack.
But really, other than the fact that somebody else is willing to pay you more money for a first edition than a Folio edition which may be more beautifully bound, printed, and illustrated, is there anything that makes first editions more valuable intrinsically than other editions?
I think, therefore I drive people nuts.
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07-11-2007 12:40 AM
Everyman wrote:
I accept that first editions can sell for more money than other editions, but is there anything intrinsically in a first edition that makes it more valuable as a book? Or is its value simply (simply!) that because it is scarce people are willing to pay more for it?
I suppose it's no different with any other collecting passion -- stamps or matchboxes or spoons or whatever. But somehow in my mind, books are different because they have an intrinsic value in their contents which most other collectibles lack.
But really, other than the fact that somebody else is willing to pay you more money for a first edition than a Folio edition which may be more beautifully bound, printed, and illustrated, is there anything that makes first editions more valuable intrinsically than other editions?
That’s a great question Everyman, thanks. One of the most interesting things about book collecting, to me anyway, is that the value of collectible books are not entirely determined by their scarcity. The content of the book plays a much larger role in book collecting than does, say, the appearance of the stamp in stamp collecting. No one would bother to collect a first edition of a terrible book just because it was limited to an initial print run of 50 copies (in fact, I can think of several examples of scarce books that are scarce for a reason and aren’t worth a dime). But this poses a problem – the problem that you raise in your question: if we value books based on their content, why does it matter whether we collect first editions instead of cheap paperbacks?
Many answers to this question have been proffered over the years. I mentioned on of the most common ones already: first editions come closest to the meeting the authors’ original intentions. The text hasn’t been revised, and the author probably had some say in the dust jacket design. I can’t say that I find this answer entirely satisfactory. But for me, there isn’t only one reason to collect first editions. I find that there’s something intrinsically appealing about owning the original version of a cultural artifact that changed the world -- or even better, of one that will change the world. Think of how many people have read “Moby Dick” or “Leaves of Grass”, and the impact that these have had on literature and the universe at large. When you hold early editions of these books in your hands, they have a sort of aura – you can imagine a time when no one had read “Moby Dick”, or heard of Melville, and someone took a chance on the copy that you’re holding more than a century later.
There are a few other reasons for collecting first editions that I find compelling. Remember that in the usual case, the first edition is the only hard cover edition of a book – all reprints are paperbacks. In that situation, I like first editions because they’re better constructed, last longer, and are more aesthetically appealing than paperbacks. You mention the situation where a book is reprinted in a fine, hardcover edition … in that case, you’re correct: there is no reason to buy the first edition over the reprint other than those related to originality, scarcity and price. But fine reprints are few and far between. Later we’ll talk about publishers like the Folio Society who reprint classics in fine editions. Excluding them, it’s fair to generalize and say that even hard cover reprints (issued in the 20th century) are of lesser quality than the first editions. Book club editions, for instance, are of notoriously poor quality.
But I’d like to hear what everyone else thinks about this: do the rest of you find any intrinsic value in first editions?
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07-11-2007 12:42 PM
There is simply no explanation why some of us are intrigued and even obsessed with first editions.
I am particularly obsessed with first editions of my favorite authors. The dollar value means nothing to me, as I would never part with them for money.
So, Everyman, jump on our band wagon...you'll get hooked and love it!
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07-11-2007 07:18 PM
Thanks
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07-12-2007 10:51 AM
Anyway, I make the point again that someone who isn't a book collector, such as those who use the library only, won't understand the obsession.
I use the library frequently and also collect books by my favorite authors. Best of both worlds.
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07-13-2007 12:56 AM
Sumac wrote:
My answer to whether there is any intrinsic value in first editions is, in a word, absolutely.
There is simply no explanation why some of us are intrigued and even obsessed with first editions.
I am particularly obsessed with first editions of my favorite authors. The dollar value means nothing to me, as I would never part with them for money.
So, Everyman, jump on our band wagon...you'll get hooked and love it!
I completely agree ... it's difficult to explain but when you go to a fair and see them, there's something pretty compelling about first editions as physical objects. I can think of many reasons to collect them, and I gave a few above, but none of them are totally adequate. It's a strange combination of their appeal as objects and my appreciation for what's between the covers. I don't believe that there are any book collectors who are strictly in it for the money. There are better ways to make money. (It's certainly a great way to spend money). But sometimes it is nice to know that you bought a $300 book for $3, even if you don't plan to resell it.
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07-13-2007 10:25 AM
Thanks for the first edition information. Many of these tips I didn't know and it will help me to get even more into first edition collecting (thanks...I guess....ha!).
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07-18-2007 03:38 PM
The novels are, "The Sign of the Book,""The Bookman's Promise,""Booked Twice," and "The Bookman's Wake."
I am a Virginia Woolf fan and find trying to track down works printed and distributed by Hogarth press, which was essentially Woolf and her husband, intriguing.
I think it would be interesting to attempt to acquire all printings of a specific work.
Dan - The Saltiest of Salty Dogs
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07-19-2007 03:31 PM
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10-11-2007 02:04 AM
Acoustical Poetry
Tales of Tara : Gabrielian Chronicles (soon to be released)
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