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PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: Miscellanea

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Liz is moderating our discussion of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice from February 12 through March 13, 2007 (see the schedule here), and I'm helping her manage the discussion.

This thread is for discussions of anything on P&P that doesn't belong in any other thread Liz or I created: please remember to include chapter numbers to avoid spoilers!

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Links to Related British Classics Threads

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A thread I started:

More Jane Austen
Threads Liz started:

Jane Austen

Pride & Prejudice

P&P - Update & Countdown

Jane Austen

Austen-Related Trivia

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If you haven't already read P&P, beware of spoilers!

Penguin Classics Reading Guide:

http://us.penguinclassics.com/static/html/readingguides/prideandprejudice.html

SparkNotes:

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/pride/

A&E Classroom:

http://www.aetv.com/class/admin/study_guide/archives/aetv_guide.0506.html

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A big round of applause for Liz!

All, as we enter the last week of our discussion of P&P, please join me in thanking our moderator Liz for all her hard work. You outdid even yourself, Liz, and I'm looking forward to your input during our discussion of Mansfield Park next month!
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Re: A big round of applause for Liz!



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All, as we enter the last week of our discussion of P&P, please join me in thanking our moderator Liz for all her hard work. You outdid even yourself, Liz, and I'm looking forward to your input during our discussion of Mansfield Park next month!




Hurrah for Liz!
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Thank You All

Thanks everyone - I've truly enjoyed sharing & discussing one of my favorite novels with you!
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Yes, Liz--you've set a new standard for us all!
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Re: Thank You All

Thank you again. Austen is fun for me - I understand what she writes and enjoy it. It's Shakespeare where I'm in over my head! And I'm sure I'll feel the same with More & Milton! Maybe I need to stay away from the latter half of the alphabet? Fortunately, pmath will be bring Austen back on April - I'm looking forward to that!
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Re: Thank You to LizzieAnn and Philomath

Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.




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Thank You to Philomath

Very true, Pmath does deserve thanks & congratulations - especially since I had her example to follow from North & South as well as all she's contributed to this discussion. I look forward to enjoying this last week of P&P with her and with all of you!




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Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.



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Vol I, Ch IV: Trade

Ha! All those links were just bait, to lure Choisya into our discussion. Who would have thought of mining in connection with Pemberley?

Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.

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Very true, Pmath does deserve thanks & congratulations - especially since I had her example to follow from North & South as well as all she's contributed to this discussion. I look forward to enjoying this last week of P&P with her and with all of you!

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Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.
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Re: Vol I, Ch IV: Trade

Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.

What do you think Choisya?
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Vol I, Ch IV & Ch XX: York

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Here's quote from Ch XX:

"Aye, there she comes," continued Mrs. Bennet, "looking as unconcerned as may be, and caring no more for us than if we were at York, provided she can have her own way. ..."
Yes, Liz, see the map I linked in an earlier message: it's north of Derbyshire.


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Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.

What do you think Choisya?

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Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
[Vol I, Ch IV]

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Re: Vol I, Ch IV: Trade

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LOL pmath. 'Trade' in the North of England at this time was likely to be either wool or cotton - the latter being Mr Thornton's 'trade' in N&S. The Wool industry was concentrated in Yorkshire on the east of the Pennines and the cotton industry in Lancashire on the west.

Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack

The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-

http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lords1.cfm

And, of course, there was the slave trade, which is the industry exposed in JA's Mansfield Park:smileysad:. Yorkshire is the county which adjoins Derbyshire and as Bingley and Darcy were friends, I would suppose that Bingley was in the wool trade. Darcy could be too but the possession of such a splendid home in the Derbyshire area indicates the greater wealth of coal and/or slavery. Derbyshire was also famous for the first mill for spinning cotton, established by William Arkwright, and a very thriving textile industry developed in that area - Viyella being the first brand name, which Americans may know, and which was named after the Via Gellia road near Matlock Bath, a famous Regency/Victorian spa town which Nathaniel Hawthorne visited. Lizzie and her Aunt and Uncle would have been sure to visit Matlock Bath on their tourist trip:-

http://www.search.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/engine/resource/exhibition/standard/default.asp?resour...

http://www.visitmatlockbath.co.uk/

I visited Matlock Bath last year when I took a trip around D H Lawrence country to take photographs for B&N readers - Tufa Cottage, once my son's home and supposedly the 'model' for Mellor's cottage in Lady Chatterley's Lover, is on the Via Gellia. (The cable car ride from the Heights of Abraham is very scary!)

http://www.bgs.ac.uk/foundation-web/DryValleys.html





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Ha! All those links were just bait, to lure Choisya into our discussion. Who would have thought of mining in connection with Pemberley?

Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.

LizzieAnn wrote:
Very true, Pmath does deserve thanks & congratulations - especially since I had her example to follow from North & South as well as all she's contributed to this discussion. I look forward to enjoying this last week of P&P with her and with all of you!

Choisya wrote:
Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.


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Re: Vol I, Ch IV: Trade

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I have just read your post LizzieAnn and had already posted about this earlier. You are correct.



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Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.

What do you think Choisya?

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Re: Vol I, Ch IV & Ch XX: York

The south of Yorkshire joins the north of both Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire and this is where The Dukeries are, as posted elsewhere re Pemberley, mining etc.




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Here's quote from Ch XX:

"Aye, there she comes," continued Mrs. Bennet, "looking as unconcerned as may be, and caring no more for us than if we were at York, provided she can have her own way. ..."
Yes, Liz, see the map I linked in an earlier message: it's north of Derbyshire.


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Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.

What do you think Choisya?

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Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
[Vol I, Ch IV]

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The Woolsack: From P&P to A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS

Thanks for the links, Choisya: below is a quote from the first.

From the Middle Ages until 2006, the presiding officer in the House of Lords was the Lord Chancellor and the Woolsack was usually mentioned in association with the office of Lord Chancellor.
So Sir Thomas More sat on the Woolsack!

Choisya wrote:
'Trade' in the North of England at this time was likely to be either wool or cotton - the latter being Mr Thornton's 'trade' in N&S. The Wool industry was concentrated in Yorkshire on the east of the Pennines and the cotton industry in Lancashire on the west.

Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack

The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-

http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lords1.cfm

pmath wrote:
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
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He did indeed pmath - well spotted, I had forgotten that connection.:smileyhappy:




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Thanks for the links, Choisya: below is a quote from the first.

From the Middle Ages until 2006, the presiding officer in the House of Lords was the Lord Chancellor and the Woolsack was usually mentioned in association with the office of Lord Chancellor.
So Sir Thomas More sat on the Woolsack!

Choisya wrote:
'Trade' in the North of England at this time was likely to be either wool or cotton - the latter being Mr Thornton's 'trade' in N&S. The Wool industry was concentrated in Yorkshire on the east of the Pennines and the cotton industry in Lancashire on the west.

Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack

The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-

http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lords1.cfm

pmath wrote:
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?

They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.

Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.



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Vol I, Ch VII & Ch VIII and Vol II, Ch II (Ch 25): More on Trade

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What about Mr Gardiner? Here are some quotes:

Her father had been an attorney in Meryton, and had left her four thousand pounds.

She had a sister married to a Mr. Phillips, who had been a clerk to their father and succeeded him in the business, and a brother settled in London in a respectable line of trade.
[Vol I, Ch VII]


"I think I have heard you say that their uncle is an attorney in Meryton."

"Yes; and they have another, who lives somewhere near Cheapside."
[Vol I, Ch VIII]


The Netherfield ladies would have had difficulty in believing that a man who lived by trade, and within view of his own warehouses, could have been so well-bred and agreeable. [Vol II, Ch II]

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You are correct.

LizzieAnn wrote:
Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.

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