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PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: Miscellanea
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02-12-2007 12:55 PM - edited 02-12-2007 12:55 PM
This thread is for discussions of anything on P&P that doesn't belong in any other thread Liz or I created: please remember to include chapter numbers to avoid spoilers!
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Links to Related British Classics Threads
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02-12-2007 01:05 PM - edited 02-12-2007 01:05 PM
More Jane AustenThreads Liz started:
Jane Austen
Pride & Prejudice
P&P - Update & Countdown
Jane Austen
Austen-Related Trivia
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Links to P&P Discussion Threads
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02-12-2007 06:43 PM - edited 02-12-2007 06:43 PM
My threads:
PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: Background InformationLiz's threads:
PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: Adaptations
PRIDE AND PREJUDICE: Miscellanea
P&P - WelcomeEveryman's threads:
P&P Notes
P&P - Other
P&P - The Bennets
P&P - Other Characters
P&P - Events
P&P - The Bingleys
P&P - Darcy & Lizzy
Mary Bennet - no spoilers please
P&P - Themes
Jane Austen's wit
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Links to Reading and Study Guides
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02-16-2007 01:05 PM - edited 02-16-2007 01:05 PM
Penguin Classics Reading Guide:
http://us.penguinclassics.com/static/html/readingg
SparkNotes:
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/pride/
A&E Classroom:
http://www.aetv.com/class/admin/study_guide/archiv
Message Edited by pmath on 02-16-200701:21 PM
A big round of applause for Liz!
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03-07-2007 09:00 AM
Re: A big round of applause for Liz!
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03-07-2007 11:35 AM
pmath wrote:
All, as we enter the last week of our discussion of P&P, please join me in thanking our moderator Liz for all her hard work. You outdid even yourself, Liz, and I'm looking forward to your input during our discussion of Mansfield Park next month!
Hurrah for Liz!
Thank You All
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03-07-2007 12:01 PM
Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested. ~ Francis Bacon
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03-07-2007 12:26 PM
Ilana
LizzieAnn wrote:
Thanks everyone - I've truly enjoyed sharing & discussing one of my favorite novels with you!
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03-07-2007 01:26 PM
Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested. ~ Francis Bacon
Re: Thank You to LizzieAnn and Philomath
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03-07-2007 03:50 PM
IlanaSimons wrote:
Yes, Liz--you've set a new standard for us all!
Ilana
LizzieAnn wrote:
Thanks everyone - I've truly enjoyed sharing & discussing one of my favorite novels with you!
Thank You to Philomath
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03-07-2007 04:56 PM
Choisya wrote:
Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.
Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested. ~ Francis Bacon
Vol I, Ch IV: Trade
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03-07-2007 05:21 PM
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?
They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
LizzieAnn wrote:
Very true, Pmath does deserve thanks & congratulations - especially since I had her example to follow from North & South as well as all she's contributed to this discussion. I look forward to enjoying this last week of P&P with her and with all of you!
Choisya wrote:
Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.
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03-07-2007 07:36 PM
What do you think Choisya?
Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested. ~ Francis Bacon
Vol I, Ch IV & Ch XX: York
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03-07-2007 09:10 PM - edited 03-07-2007 09:10 PM
"Aye, there she comes," continued Mrs. Bennet, "looking as unconcerned as may be, and caring no more for us than if we were at York, provided she can have her own way. ..."Yes, Liz, see the map I linked in an earlier message: it's north of Derbyshire.
LizzieAnn wrote:
Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.
What do you think Choisya?
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Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it. [Vol I, Ch IV]
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03-08-2007 12:59 AM - edited 03-08-2007 12:59 AM
Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack
The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-
http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lor
And, of course, there was the slave trade, which is the industry exposed in JA's Mansfield Park
http://www.search.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/engi
http://www.visitmatlockbath.co.uk/
I visited Matlock Bath last year when I took a trip around D H Lawrence country to take photographs for B&N readers - Tufa Cottage, once my son's home and supposedly the 'model' for Mellor's cottage in Lady Chatterley's Lover, is on the Via Gellia. (The cable car ride from the Heights of Abraham is very scary!)
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/foundation-web/DryValleys.htm
pmath wrote:
Ha! All those links were just bait, to lure Choisya into our discussion. Who would have thought of mining in connection with Pemberley?
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
LizzieAnn wrote:
Very true, Pmath does deserve thanks & congratulations - especially since I had her example to follow from North & South as well as all she's contributed to this discussion. I look forward to enjoying this last week of P&P with her and with all of you!
Choisya wrote:
Your moderating has been very professional Liz and your summaries and links have been fantastic! Congratulations! Congratulations are due too to Pmath, your co-moderator, who has also excelled herself in providing historical links. You have both set a high standard for all future reader-moderated discussions.
Message Edited by Choisya on 03-08-200701:09 AM
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03-08-2007 01:37 AM - edited 03-08-2007 01:37 AM
LizzieAnn wrote:
Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.
What do you think Choisya?
Message Edited by Choisya on 03-08-200701:38 AM
Re: Vol I, Ch IV & Ch XX: York
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03-08-2007 01:43 AM
pmath wrote:
Here's quote from Ch XX:"Aye, there she comes," continued Mrs. Bennet, "looking as unconcerned as may be, and caring no more for us than if we were at York, provided she can have her own way. ..."Yes, Liz, see the map I linked in an earlier message: it's north of Derbyshire.
LizzieAnn wrote:
Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.
What do you think Choisya?
pmath wrote:
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it. [Vol I, Ch IV]Message Edited by pmath on 03-07-200711:38 PM
The Woolsack: From P&P to A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS
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03-08-2007 09:11 AM
From the Middle Ages until 2006, the presiding officer in the House of Lords was the Lord Chancellor and the Woolsack was usually mentioned in association with the office of Lord Chancellor.So Sir Thomas More sat on the Woolsack!
Choisya wrote:
'Trade' in the North of England at this time was likely to be either wool or cotton - the latter being Mr Thornton's 'trade' in N&S. The Wool industry was concentrated in Yorkshire on the east of the Pennines and the cotton industry in Lancashire on the west.
Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack
The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-
http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lords1.cfm
pmath wrote:
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
Re: The Woolsack: From P&P to A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS
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03-08-2007 10:46 AM
pmath wrote:
Thanks for the links, Choisya: below is a quote from the first.From the Middle Ages until 2006, the presiding officer in the House of Lords was the Lord Chancellor and the Woolsack was usually mentioned in association with the office of Lord Chancellor.So Sir Thomas More sat on the Woolsack!
Choisya wrote:
'Trade' in the North of England at this time was likely to be either wool or cotton - the latter being Mr Thornton's 'trade' in N&S. The Wool industry was concentrated in Yorkshire on the east of the Pennines and the cotton industry in Lancashire on the west.
Incidentally, the Woolsack is the seat of the Speaker of the House of Lords in the UK and it has a history connected with the wool trade:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolsack
The above only shows the Irish parliament's copy of the Woolsack so here is a photograph of the House of Lords, showing the Woolsack in situ:-
http://www.parliament.uk/about/images/interior/lords1.cfm
pmath wrote:
Choisya, what type of trade might JA be thinking of in the passage below?They were of a respectable family in the north of England; a circumstance more deeply impressed on their memories than that their brother's fortune and their own had been acquired by trade.
Mr. Bingley inherited property to the amount of nearly a hundred thousand pounds from his father, who had intended to purchase an estate, but did not live to do it.
Vol I, Ch VII & Ch VIII and Vol II, Ch II (Ch 25): More on Trade
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03-08-2007 11:11 AM - edited 03-08-2007 11:11 AM
Her father had been an attorney in Meryton, and had left her four thousand pounds.
She had a sister married to a Mr. Phillips, who had been a clerk to their father and succeeded him in the business, and a brother settled in London in a respectable line of trade. [Vol I, Ch VII]
"I think I have heard you say that their uncle is an attorney in Meryton."
"Yes; and they have another, who lives somewhere near Cheapside." [Vol I, Ch VIII]
The Netherfield ladies would have had difficulty in believing that a man who lived by trade, and within view of his own warehouses, could have been so well-bred and agreeable. [Vol II, Ch II]
Choisya wrote:
You are correct.
LizzieAnn wrote:
Among some of my readings, I think I came across the supposition that Bingley could be from Yorkshire (Is that in the north?) and that his family fortune might have come from the wool trade.
Message Edited by pmath on 03-08-200711:27 AM