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The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

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Is anyone here missing Shakespeare like I'm missing Shakespeare?

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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare



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Is anyone here missing Shakespeare like I'm missing Shakespeare?

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An excellent suggestion, Laurel. I only tweaked the headline of your thread so that we could keep it as the ongoing one. Offical now: This thread is for the discussion of Shakespeare.



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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

Thanks, Ilana, for the swift response! I'm reading "Twelfth Night" now. It's full of charm, but there's a bit of cruelty to it as well, which is somewhat disturbing.
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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

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Discussing the whole of Shakespeare seems a very tall order!!! I haven't discussed any S with B&N so would be interested in doing so providing we get down to some specifics:smileyhappy:



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Is anyone here missing Shakespeare like I'm missing Shakespeare?

Message Edited by IlanaSimons on 12-07-200602:40 PM






An excellent suggestion, Laurel. I only tweaked the headline of your thread so that we could keep it as the ongoing one. Offical now: This thread is for the discussion of Shakespeare.

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Choisya,
thanks for trying to keep things in human perspective. ;-)

Previously Shakespeare was at least divided into comedies and tragedies. I didn't get to that but with this "say what you want whenever you want" style I won't either. Too haphazard for me.


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Choisya,
thanks for trying to keep things in human perspective. ;-)

Previously Shakespeare was at least divided into comedies and tragedies. I didn't get to that but with this "say what you want whenever you want" style I won't either. Too haphazard for me.


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Because the general British and American Classics boards are your own creative space, I'm all ears for Shakespeare Thread format suggestions. If anyone is particularly interested in a certain angle now, commandeer the thread.



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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

Okay. How about The Play of the Month Club. We choose a Shakespeare play, read it, discuss it, share what our favorite criticisms, videos, live performances, audio versions, on-line helps, etc. We could "vote" on which play to do, take them chronologically, alternate comedy, tragedy, history, as you like it. Or we could do two plays a month, a play every three weeks, we just need to decide. Here's our chance to have some say and do what we want to do. It would be great to have a Shakespeare scholar to head it up, of course....



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ziki wrote:
Choisya,
thanks for trying to keep things in human perspective. ;-)

Previously Shakespeare was at least divided into comedies and tragedies. I didn't get to that but with this "say what you want whenever you want" style I won't either. Too haphazard for me.


ziki




Because the general British and American Classics boards are your own creative space, I'm all ears for Shakespeare Thread format suggestions. If anyone is particularly interested in a certain angle now, commandeer the thread.


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Okay. How about The Play of the Month Club. We choose a Shakespeare play, read it, discuss it, share what our favorite criticisms, videos, live performances, audio versions, on-line helps, etc. We could "vote" on which play to do, take them chronologically, alternate comedy, tragedy, history, as you like it. Or we could do two plays a month, a play every three weeks, we just need to decide. Here's our chance to have some say and do what we want to do. It would be great to have a Shakespeare scholar to head it up, of course....



Sounds interesting, Laurel. Is there other interest in this idea? If so, does anyone want to suggest a first play?



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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

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IS:Is there other interest in this idea? If so, does anyone want to suggest a first play?
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(Laurel suggested just about everything.)

Hi,

Macbeth, tragedies first, comedies later.Sonets after that. A systematic approach to the whole discussion...work by work..slow tempo. In this case study Shakespeare the whole 2007.

ziki

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Re: All Things Shakespeare : Starters?

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Because there will be those on these boards who have not tackled any Shakespeare, or have only done him briefly at school, I suggest we start with one of the favourite Comedies, perhaps The Taming of the Shrew which is a glorious sexist romp. For those who would also like to see a film version, the superb one made with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton in 1967 is now on DVD. Or there is the cross-dressing mix up of Twelfth Night, which has a modern version on DVD with Helena Bonham-Carter and Nigel Hawthorne. All of Shakespeare's works are online here

http://www-tech.mit.edu/Shakespeare/

although I expect B&N publish some nice copies with good notes etc.:-





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Okay. How about The Play of the Month Club. We choose a Shakespeare play, read it, discuss it, share what our favorite criticisms, videos, live performances, audio versions, on-line helps, etc. We could "vote" on which play to do, take them chronologically, alternate comedy, tragedy, history, as you like it. Or we could do two plays a month, a play every three weeks, we just need to decide. Here's our chance to have some say and do what we want to do. It would be great to have a Shakespeare scholar to head it up, of course....



Sounds interesting, Laurel. Is there other interest in this idea? If so, does anyone want to suggest a first play?

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Re: All Things Shakespeare : A bit of cross-culture:)

I was reading the Introduction to my UK edition of Moby Dick tonight and came across this quote from Melville, which I though was pertinent to this thread:-

"In February 1849 Melville would write of the profound jolt he recieved on his first thorough reading of Shakespeare: 'Dolt and ass that I am I have lived more than 29 years, and until a few days ago, never made close acquaintance with the divine William. Ah, he's full of sermons-on-the-mount, and gentle, aye, almost as Jesus. I take such men to be inspired. I fancy that this moment Shakespeare in heaven ranks with Gabriel, Raphael and Michael. And if another Messiah ever comes, 'twill be in Shakespeare's person.' Praise indeed!
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Choisya wrote:
I was reading the Introduction to my UK edition of Moby Dick tonight and came across this quote from Melville, which I though was pertinent to this thread:-

"In February 1849 Melville would write of the profound jolt he recieved on his first thorough reading of Shakespeare: 'Dolt and ass that I am I have lived more than 29 years, and until a few days ago, never made close acquaintance with the divine William. Ah, he's full of sermons-on-the-mount, and gentle, aye, almost as Jesus. I take such men to be inspired. I fancy that this moment Shakespeare in heaven ranks with Gabriel, Raphael and Michael. And if another Messiah ever comes, 'twill be in Shakespeare's person.' Praise indeed!




There is a critic, Wayne Booth, who says that literature is a window onto a writer's moral bearing. The best writers convey a deep sense of caring, the "gentleness" that Melville found.



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Re: All Things Shakespeare : A bit of cross-culture:)

What a great find, Choisya! That's high praise indeed.



Choisya wrote:
I was reading the Introduction to my UK edition of Moby Dick tonight and came across this quote from Melville, which I though was pertinent to this thread:-

"In February 1849 Melville would write of the profound jolt he recieved on his first thorough reading of Shakespeare: 'Dolt and ass that I am I have lived more than 29 years, and until a few days ago, never made close acquaintance with the divine William. Ah, he's full of sermons-on-the-mount, and gentle, aye, almost as Jesus. I take such men to be inspired. I fancy that this moment Shakespeare in heaven ranks with Gabriel, Raphael and Michael. And if another Messiah ever comes, 'twill be in Shakespeare's person.' Praise indeed!


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What do the men think?

Here's just a thought. We have a great deal on our Brit Lit boards here about women writers and women in literature. What Shakespeare play would the men out there like to begin with. Are there any men, out there?
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Here's just a thought. We have a great deal on our Brit Lit boards here about women writers and women in literature. What Shakespeare play would the men out there like to begin with. Are there any men, out there?




I think that doing Shakespeare in one year is highly ambitious and I have to commend you all for the ambition. I'd like to sign up.

I don't have a preference for which play to tackle first. I will confess I have not read them all, so I would look forward to much pleasurable learning.
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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare


IlanaSimons wrote:


Laurel wrote:
Is anyone here missing Shakespeare like I'm missing Shakespeare?

Message Edited by IlanaSimons on 12-07-200602:40 PM






An excellent suggestion, Laurel. I only tweaked the headline of your thread so that we could keep it as the ongoing one. Offical now: This thread is for the discussion of Shakespeare.




British classics is a good place for working out what we want to do with Shakespeare, but these boards get very unmanageable very fast and I think there would be a lot of posting on Shakespeare. It really needs its own board. In fact each play would need its own board. I'm for a play a month.

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ziki wrote:
Choisya,
thanks for trying to keep things in human perspective. ;-)

Previously Shakespeare was at least divided into comedies and tragedies. I didn't get to that but with this "say what you want whenever you want" style I won't either. Too haphazard for me.


ziki




I think an organized board would work like the one set up for Moby Dick. Also the boards, and it is a good idea in Moby Dick as well, needs a separate thread for Chit Chat and maybe an Introduce Yourself Thread like the old boards had. that would keep irrelevant comments our of the main discussion threads.

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Laurel wrote:
Okay. How about The Play of the Month Club. We choose a Shakespeare play, read it, discuss it, share what our favorite criticisms, videos, live performances, audio versions, on-line helps, etc. We could "vote" on which play to do, take them chronologically, alternate comedy, tragedy, history, as you like it. Or we could do two plays a month, a play every three weeks, we just need to decide. Here's our chance to have some say and do what we want to do. It would be great to have a Shakespeare scholar to head it up, of course....



Because the general British and American Classics boards are your own creative space, I'm all ears for Shakespeare Thread format suggestions. If anyone is particularly interested in a certain angle now, commandeer the thread.







A play a month beginning on the 1st of the month would make planning easier. I like the idea of alternating in the different areas--comedy, tragedies, histories, and lets not forget the plays like the Tempest. However, some of the Histories are nice to do in sequence like Richard II, the two Henry IV, and Henry V.

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Special Board for the Bard

Thank you, Choisya and Bucky for pointing me to the Moby Dick board. I was one of the starters of the MD stampede, but I sure didn't find the discussion on my own. Ilana, There's a note near the top of the American Lit page with a link to Moby Dick. I guess if I saw it I thought it was just a link to the B&N edition, which I already have. Am I the only blind one? Here's Moby:

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/bn/board?board.id=MobyDick
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Re: The Bard: All Things Shakespeare

Sounds interesting, Laurel. Is there other interest in this idea? If so, does anyone want to suggest a first play?
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Why don't we start with one of the biggies to attract a big interest group. We could pick something from the old Shakespeare line-up. They were:

Hamlet
Macbeth
Othello
King Lear
Antony and Cleopatra

Midsummer Night's Dream
As You Like It
Much Ado About Nothing
12th Night

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