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War and Peace-question

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Obviously there are two versions of War and Peace. The one which was known just in academia was published in Moscow 2000 and became a success, also in France and Germany. It's shorter , have another plot and ends differently. I wonder did anyone here happen to read it? And if so how would you compare it to the well known version?

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I've never heard of another War and Peace. Was it also by Tolstoy? Was it perhaps an earlier draft or an abridgement? What's the story??
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Are you perhaps talking about the opera, Ziki? I have DVDs of the Moscow production and the Paris production, and they are not exactly the same.
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Re: War and Peace-question

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Ziki: Another War and Peace book?? The original, by Leo Tolstoy, was published in the 1860s and I don't know of a subsequent publication unless the Russians have published an abridged one recently. It is a much prized Russian heritage:smileyhappy: There have been many translations - my old Penguin edition uses the one by Princess Alexandra Kropotkin. There is also a series of Russian films of W&P on VHS (maybe now on DVD) and these are very good, although you have to use sub-titles.




ziki wrote:
Obviously there are two versions of War and Peace. The one which was known just in academia was published in Moscow 2000 and became a success, also in France and Germany. It's shorter , have another plot and ends differently. I wonder did anyone here happen to read it? And if so how would you compare it to the well known version?

ziki

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Oh, yes! There are several excellent films, but the Russian one is by far my favorite. I understand there is a new one being made in Russia now, and perhaps another one in Europe.

There's something running around in the back of my mind that ziki might be thinking of, though--something about some of Tolstoy's manuscripts found in the archives that were locked up for so many years and now have been opened to scholars. I'll try to find where I read that.



Choisya wrote:
Ziki: Another War and Peace book?? The original, by Leo Tolstoy, was published in the 1860s and I don't know of a subsequent publication unless the Russians have published an abridged one recently. It is a much prized Russian heritage:smileyhappy: There have been many translations - my old Penguin edition uses the one by Princess Alexandra Kropotkin. There is also a series of Russian films of W&P on VHS (maybe now on DVD) and these are very good, although you have to use sub-titles.




ziki wrote:
Obviously there are two versions of War and Peace. The one which was known just in academia was published in Moscow 2000 and became a success, also in France and Germany. It's shorter , have another plot and ends differently. I wonder did anyone here happen to read it? And if so how would you compare it to the well known version?

ziki

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Re: Ziki War and Peace-question

I don't recall anything about this Laurel and have done a thorough search of the net too. Come in Ziki! Count Vladimir Tolstoy, keeper of the Tolstoy archive, spends a lot of time in the UK and I think we would have had any news about a new book or new manuscript here. The archive, which the Tolstoys guard like gold, is in a museum on their estate (formerly Tolstoy's house) just outside of Moscow and there have from time to time been family quarrels about how it is kept. It is a strange situation because the Russian state owns the archive but somehow the Tolstoys (who are a huge European family) have managed to keep the administration of it. It is somewhere I would love to visit and might try to do so when/if I do my Trans-Siberian railway trip.

Is your Russian good enough for you to understand the dialogue in the Russian films? I don't mind sub titles and found the films enthralling. I belong to a DVD club and had them out over the summer. I will look out for the new Russian film of W&P - thanks.




Laurel wrote:
Oh, yes! There are several excellent films, but the Russian one is by far my favorite. I understand there is a new one being made in Russia now, and perhaps another one in Europe.

There's something running around in the back of my mind that ziki might be thinking of, though--something about some of Tolstoy's manuscripts found in the archives that were locked up for so many years and now have been opened to scholars. I'll try to find where I read that.



Choisya wrote:
Ziki: Another War and Peace book?? The original, by Leo Tolstoy, was published in the 1860s and I don't know of a subsequent publication unless the Russians have published an abridged one recently. It is a much prized Russian heritage:smileyhappy: There have been many translations - my old Penguin edition uses the one by Princess Alexandra Kropotkin. There is also a series of Russian films of W&P on VHS (maybe now on DVD) and these are very good, although you have to use sub-titles.




ziki wrote:
Obviously there are two versions of War and Peace. The one which was known just in academia was published in Moscow 2000 and became a success, also in France and Germany. It's shorter , have another plot and ends differently. I wonder did anyone here happen to read it? And if so how would you compare it to the well known version?

ziki

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Re: Ziki War and Peace-question

No, unless they're meeting and greeting or asking for beet root soup! I got the Russian King Lear without subtitles by mistake, though, and could understand it really well, but I know Lear well. That really made it rewarding.



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Is your Russian good enough for you to understand the dialogue in the Russian films? I don't mind sub titles and found the films enthralling. I belong to a DVD club and had them out over the summer. I will look out for the new Russian film of W&P - thanks.




Laurel wrote:
Oh, yes! There are several excellent films, but the Russian one is by far my favorite. I understand there is a new one being made in Russia now, and perhaps another one in Europe.

There's something running around in the back of my mind that ziki might be thinking of, though--something about some of Tolstoy's manuscripts found in the archives that were locked up for so many years and now have been opened to scholars. I'll try to find where I read that.



Choisya wrote:
Ziki: Another War and Peace book?? The original, by Leo Tolstoy, was published in the 1860s and I don't know of a subsequent publication unless the Russians have published an abridged one recently. It is a much prized Russian heritage:smileyhappy: There have been many translations - my old Penguin edition uses the one by Princess Alexandra Kropotkin. There is also a series of Russian films of W&P on VHS (maybe now on DVD) and these are very good, although you have to use sub-titles.




ziki wrote:
Obviously there are two versions of War and Peace. The one which was known just in academia was published in Moscow 2000 and became a success, also in France and Germany. It's shorter , have another plot and ends differently. I wonder did anyone here happen to read it? And if so how would you compare it to the well known version?

ziki

Message Edited by ziki on 01-05-200703:55 AM



Message Edited by Choisya on 01-05-200707:37 PM










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