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For June: The Lottery and Other Stories, by Shirley Jackson

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I hope people are ready to read some Shirley Jackson!  This continues the theme of short stories by acclaimed horror writers that we started with Poe and Lovecraft.  Coincidentally, they are all American authors and we have been doing them in relative chronological order.

 

Shirley Jackson, 1916-1965, one of the most brilliant and influential authors of the twentieth century, is widely acclaimed for her stories and novels of the supernatural, including the well-known short story “The Lottery” and the best-selling novel “The Haunting of Hill House.”

 

The above quote is from http://shirleyjackson.org/index.html, which includes a short biography, a bibliography, and some general comments from periodicals and other authors.  One that I particularly like is by Dorothy Parker, in Esquire:

 

“Shirley Jackson is unparalleled as a leader in the field of beautifully written, quiet, cumulative shudders.”

 

I think that those "quiet, cumulative shudders" are what characterizes Jackson's work, rather than making you scream at the top of your lungs with obvious shocking events.  Her work is subtle and psychological.  Like some of Stephen King's work, she finds her material in the mundane and ordinary.  The short story and novel mentioned in the first quote above are classics of modern horror, but many of her stories are not outright horror stories, but investigations into the psyche of her characters.  What we find there is often left open to our own interpretation.

 

Jackson wrote six novels and one collection of short stories during her brief lifetime.  She also had many additional stories published in periodicals, and there are several more collections of stories, both published and unpublished, that her family have released since her death.

 

At the same time, she could also write very funny material, including two books of memoirs about her family life in Vermont.  If you like things like Please Don't Eat the Daisies by Jean Kerr, or Erma Bombeck's work, you should love these.  A few of the short stories in the collection that we are reading are in this vein.

 

She also wrote some works for children, but I have never read any of those.

 

A bibliography, from wikipedia:

 

Novels

Memoirs

Story collections

  • The Lottery and Other Stories (Farrar, Straus, 1949)
  • The Magic of Shirley Jackson (Farrar, Straus, 1966) (posthumous)
  • Come Along with Me (Viking, 1968) (posthumous)
  • Just an Ordinary Day (Bantam, 1995) (posthumous)

Children's works

  • The Witchcraft of Salem Village (1956)
  • The Bad Children (1959)
  • Nine Magic Wishes (1963)
  • Famous Sally (1966)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Jackson

 

I have all of the novels, memoirs, and short stories, except for Come Along with Me, but many of them do not seem to be in print these days.

 

I hope we get some participation, and that those unfamiliar with Jackson will enjoy it!

 

 

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Jackson books currently available on B&N

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Films based on Jackson works at B&N

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Haunting  

Haunting  

Lottery  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of the two movies of The Haunting, the first is by far the most faithful adaptation of the novel The Haunting of Hill House (although there are still some differences).  The second has superficial similarities, but they completely changed parts of the plot so much that the story became unrecognizable, but it has great special effects!  It's been a while since I saw the adaptation of The Lottery, but they had to add a lot of plot, characters, etc. to expand the short story into a full-length TV-movie.

 

In addition, from what I can find, there was a movie called Lizzie, starring Eleanor Parker, that was based on The Bird's Nest (which is about multiple personality), and Joanne Woodward directed an adaptation of Come Along with Me (based on an unfinished novel) starring Estelle Parsons.

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Re: Films based on Jackson works at B&N

You know, I've never read Shirley Jackson. I've heard of the films, but I hadn't heard of the books. Cool! Thanks for adding to my ceaseless TBR pile... grrrr... :smileyhappy:

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basson_mommy12 wrote:

You know, I've never read Shirley Jackson. I've heard of the films, but I hadn't heard of the books. Cool! Thanks for adding to my ceaseless TBR pile... grrrr... :smileyhappy:


Always glad to be of service, Ruth!!! :smileywink:

 

I'll have to make sure Ryan knows about this.  He also loves The Haunting of Hill House, and his campaigning was of great help in getting it selected on Literature by Women a while back.

 

Another bit of information about Jackson - she was an influence on Stephen King, and he paid homage to her in his miniseries Rose Red, which had a similar theme to The Haunting of Hill House.  At the beginning, the main character is giving a lecture and talks about Jackson's novel.

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As Dulci said, I'm a huge fan of The Haunting of Hill House, one of my top ten books.  It's been a while since I've read her short stories and I think The Lottery is the only one that I can really remember all that well.  I'm looking forward to this discussion.

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Well rats. My local library has no Shirley Jackson books other than the one that is already checked out. The two online libraries have nothing.

 

I did manage to find a lesson assignment copy of The Lottery at the university, but I'm not so sure it is complete. It ends with "and then they were upon her." Is that the whole thing?

 

I did manage to find a Reader's Digest Condensed book with an abridged version of Hill House online.

 

Unfortunately B&N doesn't have any ebook editions that I can afford this month, and I can't afford the 190-mile round trip to go up to B&N for a print edition.

 

A bunch of unexpected medical costs have left our budget flat, so we're reserving funds for gas so hubby can get back and forth to work.

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I'm sure I read The Haunting of Hill House when I was a kid. I remember some of the descriptions, the cold spots, the walls breathing , etc.. It was deliciously creepy! And, I recall that some of the characters were very well-described--Eleanor in particular.

 

This time I'm confining myself to 

The Lottery.  I just purchased it used, so it might be a while before I receive delivery and start reading, but I will read it this month!

 
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Desert_Brat wrote:

I did manage to find a lesson assignment copy of The Lottery at the university, but I'm not so sure it is complete. It ends with "and then they were upon her." Is that the whole thing?


Yes, that is the last line of the story.

 

Maybe the copy your library has will be checked in before the end of the month.  Sorry to hear that you have been having problems - hope everything is better soon.

 

Sorry I haven't gotten much done here yet, but I've had a doozy of a head cold since Friday and have been spending a lot of time in bed.

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dulcinea3 wrote:
Sorry I haven't gotten much done here yet, but I've had a doozy of a head cold since Friday and have been spending a lot of time in bed.

No hurry. I don't know why this is, but spring/summer colds sure seem to be worse than ones in the winter. Feel better soon!

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Well, I'm still pretty sick, but I'll try to get some more stuff posted.

 

I have always known this book as The Lottery and Other Stories, but apparently Shirley Jackson had another title for it originally.  According to wikipedia:

 

"Jackson's original title for this collection was The Lottery or, The Adventures of James Harris. Characters named James Harris appear in the stories "The Daemon Lover," "Like Mother Used to Make," "Elizabeth" and "Of Course." Other characters with the surname Harris appear or are referenced in "The Villager," "The Renegade," "Flower Garden," "A Fine Old Firm" and "Seven Types of Ambiguity." The collection also contains a short excerpt from the traditional ballad "The Daemon Lover," in which the title character's name is James Harris."

 

I had never noticed this or had it pointed out before; I will have to try to pay attention as I am reading!

 

The contents (also from wikipedia):

 

I

  • "The Intoxicated"
  • "The Daemon Lover"
  • "Like Mother Used to Make"
  • "Trial by Combat"
  • "The Villager"
  • "My Life with R. H. Macy"

II

  • "The Witch"
  • "The Renegade"
  • "After You, My Dear Alphonse"
  • "Charles"
  • "Afternoon in Linen"
  • "Flower Garden"
  • "Dorothy and My Grandfather and the Sailors"

III

  • "Colloquy"
  • "Elizabeth"
  • "A Fine Old Firm"
  • "The Dummy"
  • "Seven Types of Ambiguity"
  • "Come Dance with Me in Ireland"

IV

  • "Of Course"
  • "Pillar of Salt"
  • "Men with Their Big Shoes"
  • "The Tooth"
  • "Got a Letter from Jimmy"
  • "The Lottery"

V

  • "Epilogue"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery_and_Other_Stories

 

I had intended to start discussions with The Lottery, but when I opened the book last week, I just read the first section.  Since I've been going to bed early instead of reading, and I'm not sure when I will get back to it, I guess I'll start with something else instead of delaying longer.  I would not classify any of the stories in the first section as horror, but most of them are glimpses of emotionally damaged or fragile people.  The Macy story is comedy.

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I found a website that has a lot of great information; I haven't even explored everything it has on this book yet.

 

http://www.gradesaver.com/the-lottery-and-other-stories/

 

I found the list of major themes very interesting, and see how they apply not only to this collection of short stories, but to other works of Jackson, as well.

 

http://www.gradesaver.com/the-lottery-and-other-stories/study-guide/major-themes/

 

To summarize:

 

Suburban Horror: subtle and present in the most everyday situations.

 

Lonely Women: unmarried or married with inattentive or absent husbands.  Unfulfilled and unhappy, they tend to take on the identity of others or even go mad.

 

City Life vs. Country Life: especially when moving from one to the other.  City people in the country find narrow-mindedness; country people in the city tend to lose their identity in the crowd.

 

Mental Illness: often unrealized by the character (or even the reader).

 

Conformity: the community expects this; compliance means loss of identity; those who cannot comply may escape into a fantasy life or go mad.

 

Significance of Home: an individual's identity is strongly connected to their home; the less unique the home, the more one loses one's identity or is unable to assert it.

 

Identity: IMHO, the most important theme that runs throughout Jackson's work, as you can see by the preceding themes.  It all boils down to a person's identity and their sense of same.

 

Racism: there are a few stories that deal with racism, in different ways.

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I especially liked "My Life with R. H. Macy."  Without giving anything away, you will probably like it if you liked "Insert Flap 'A' and Throw it Away," 1944, by S. J. Perelman or "My Financial Career," approximately 1910, by Stephen Leacock.  I found both of these in an old English textbook called Adventures in Appreciation Volume 2, edited by Walter Loban and Rosalind A. Olmsted, 1963, Harcourt, Brace & World (really wish these older books had ISBN's).

 

If any of the others leap out at me the way "My Life with R. H. Macy" did, I'll let everyone know.

 

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Although Jackson's works are still protected by copyright, I found this, which appears to be a scanned copy of the book.  I think there are only a few stories shown.  This link opens up to My Life with RH Macy, because that's what I was searching for, but if you page up above it, there are other stories before and after it:

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=l5wRBvQv7hIC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=shirley+jackson+my+life+with+rh+ma...

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Thank you for the link. I've been searching for The Lottery and Other Stories, but have found it is only available in the UK.

 

The UK version has a black cover, there is one with almost the same title here in the US with a lady's purse on the cover. But the US version doesn't have near the stories as the UK version.

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Desert_Brat wrote:

Thank you for the link. I've been searching for The Lottery and Other Stories, but have found it is only available in the UK.

 

The UK version has a black cover, there is one with almost the same title here in the US with a lady's purse on the cover. But the US version doesn't have near the stories as the UK version.


Oh, dear, I think you may be right!  I had assumed that that book was the complete collection, but on Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=l5wRBvQv7hIC&dq=shirley%20jackson%20my%20life%20with%20rh%20macy&so..., with links to the scanned stories) there is a table of contents for that edition (with the lady holding the purse), and there are a few stories missing.  Including The Lottery itself!  I think that must be a mistake, because they also have "IV' as a story, and it isn't, it's just a section number.  Maybe they just screwed up and didn't get the others listed, but I don't know.  B&N's new book listing format doesn't give the details like it used to, so I can't tell anything from there.  And a couple of others that are available may be ONLY The Lottery, because they're only about 30 pages (although that seems long for that story alone).  But the one with the purse does have most of the stories, at least.

 

I'm sorry - this is ridiculous, how little of her work is currently available, and if they're going to publish the story collection, they could at least get it complete as written.  I used to have a paperback of the collection, but now I have a large paperback edition that includes the story collection, plus The Haunting of Hill House (good, because I wore out my old paperback!), and We Have Always Lived in the Castle.  Boy, am I glad that I have just about all of her works, since I wouldn't be able to get them now!!!

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Actually, on second thought, when I look at the scanned copy of that book (purse), it does show the first page of the table of contents, and it lists all the stories up to that point, including ones that are not listed on the page I just linked to, so I think it may actually be the complete story collection, after all.  Phew!

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dulcinea3 wrote:

Although Jackson's works are still protected by copyright, I found this, which appears to be a scanned copy of the book.  I think there are only a few stories shown.  This link opens up to My Life with RH Macy, because that's what I was searching for, but if you page up above it, there are other stories before and after it:

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=l5wRBvQv7hIC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=shirley+jackson+my+life+with+rh+ma...



It looks like a copy of exactly the edition I checked out of the library -- even the page numbers match perfectly!  :smileyhappy:   It's The Lottery and Other Stories, no ISBN, but its Library of Congress catalog card number is 82-70094.  The drawing on the front cover is of the little folded slips of paper from "The Lottery," with the one with the black circle on it in the center of the drawing, and a pencil right below it.  What a great coincidence!

 

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Jefferson_Thomas wrote:It looks like a copy of exactly the edition I checked out of the library -- even the page numbers match perfectly!  :smileyhappy:   It's The Lottery and Other Stories, no ISBN, but its Library of Congress catalog card number is 82-70094.  The drawing on the front cover is of the little folded slips of paper from "The Lottery," with the one with the black circle on it in the center of the drawing, and a pencil right below it.  What a great coincidence!

 

Jeff


Yes, that's the version that is now only available in the UK. I've located it at WHSmith eBooks UK, but there is a notice that Penguin has restricted the sale of this version outside the UK. It was available here at one time, but no longer.

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