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Amazon ‘robo-pricing’ sparks fears

Here's fuel for the fire.....

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/26c5bb7a-c12f-11e1-8179-00144feabdc0.html#axzz208XSGix4

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Re: Amazon ‘robo-pricing’ sparks fears

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gb18 wrote:

Here's fuel for the fire.....

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/26c5bb7a-c12f-11e1-8179-00144feabdc0.html#axzz208XSGix4


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High-speed trading tools pioneered in the stock market are increasingly driving price movements on Amazon as sellers use them to undercut and outwit each other.

 

Prices change as often as every 15 minutes as some of the 2m sellers on the site join the online retailer in using computerised tools, often developed by former data miners at banks.

  The “robo-pricing” has become a source of tension as Amazon competes with its clients but has access to their sales information and greater experience of data mining.

 

Amazon sellers – using third-party software – can set rules to ensure their prices are always, for example, $1 lower than their rivals’. More complex algorithms can analyse data to set prices most likely to secure a prominent position on the site.

 

But the tools create the risk of malfunctions similar to the 2010 flash crash, when algo trading was blamed for some US stock prices falling to near zero, then rebounding in 20 minutes.

 

Last year, out-of-control algorithms inflated the price of The Making of a Fly, a genetics book, to more than $23m, according to Michael Eisen, a biologist who blogged about it.

 

The opposite is possible. Some sellers have created dummy accounts with ultra-low prices to pull down those of rivals so they can corner a market by buying their goods, say pricing experts. That violates Amazon’s rules of conduct.

 

Jack Sheng of eForCity, which sells electronics accessories on Amazon, said the interaction of algorithms could trigger dangerous downward spirals. “If something is mispriced down to $1, your inventory can be cleaned out in no time,” he said.

 

Victor Rosenman of Feedvisor, an Israeli group that sells pricing tools to Amazon clients, said: “We took a lot of inspiration from the stock market . . .  they have these learning algorithms that calibrate themselves and improve themselves. That is the idea we are following.”



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gb18 wrote:

[...] Victor Rosenman of Feedvisor, an Israeli group that sells pricing tools to Amazon clients, said: “We took a lot of inspiration from the stock market . . .  they have these learning algorithms that calibrate themselves and improve themselves. That is the idea we are following.”


This sounds as if they're programming some "evolutionary" self-tuning models. The problem for small sellers is that, in evolution, the unsuccessful die. Definitely a winner for the big guys, though.

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Since Amazon is a major player in supplying cloud and other computer and server services this comes close to being a conflict of interest. If the stock exchange has ownership of companies similar to Amazon selling the Kindle on its site how can their be confidence that all are being treated fairly. Amazons treatment of app developers for example has been pretty one sided. As the big 3 Amazon, Apple, Google compete with each other the real generators of innovation and growth appear to be getting a raw deal.
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Does the article say that Amazon is conducting this type algorithm pricing?  I don't think they can be blamed for others' pricing decisions, only for their own.

 

As a bystander, I think this is kind of awesome.  I would suppose one could do product arbitrage here - buy a whole bunch of a product at one price and the sell that product at a higher price once the lower priced vendors are sold out.  I would expect the potential for short sales exist also.

 

As a buyer, this is trouble.  I pretty much only buy from prime vendors (and the biggest prime vendor is, of course, Amazon itself), so I'm not sure I'd have to worry about getting burned by any of this, but I'll still probably be extra careful about who I buy from going forward.

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I have several items on hold in my Amazon shopping cart. and the prices often change daily.

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I agree the prices are CRAZY.  I've been watching a pair of headphones for about 6 months (I bought elsewhere, but watch out of ... fascination?)  They've been as low as 12 and change and then go up to 22 and change.  They bounce all over the place with no rhyme or reason.  This article helps explain what might be causing it. Thanks for posting.

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