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Horror Villains Vs. Superhero Villains

An interesting topic came up the other night between me and my wife.  The conversation began because I had been watching a horror film and my wife kept making disruptive noises during certain scenes.  What happened next was we got to talking about why she didn't like horror films, but loved superhero ones.  So I posed this question to her, why doesn't she like horror movie villains (and horror movies in general)?  And how are superhero villains not the same (not as evil, or as raw) as horror movie ones?  Say for instance The Joker vs. Jason Voorhees.  Why is The Joker someone a person could watch, but not Jason Voorhees?  I will post my wife's answer later, but I was just curious as to what other movie lovers out there think.

 

 

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I think the answer is that the majority of people view superhero villains as comic book but horror villains strictly on celluloid.

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I can't watch horror at all.  I do think there's a "evilness" to one and a "cozy" to the other.  You know in one that the hero is going to come out okay.  With horror...there's just so much damage.  A win is sort of a limping win...

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A but you didn't say what kind of horror movie you were watching. There's splatter gore, torture porn, cheesy goo, mental scary, serial killer, and slasher films. Perhaps it nothing to do with the villain model but actually the gross out factor that bother's her.

 

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Thanks for the responses.  I didn't have any particular subgenre of horror in mind, just the idea of a horror movie villain. My wife's reason for not liking horror movie villains (like Jason, Michael, Freddy, etc) is because there is no "hero" in the movies to balance out the evil.  I had never thought of it that way and as we talked it made sense in our society.  Superhero villains are matched with a superhero, but horror movie villains are up against just us.  Horror movies hit closer to the bone. 

 

Here are  a couple of vs. to cote on if you wish.  What super-villain against a horror villain would win.

 

1. The Joker vs Hannibal Lecter

2. Scarecrow vs Leatherface

3. Bane vs Jason Voorhees

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Mister_Nobody, I will give my opinion on only the first choice which would be the Joker vs. Hannibal Lecter because the other two on the list, I can't form an opinion.

 

In my opinion, the Joker would win the battle over Hannibal Lecter.

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Interesting question and a good points, because example Jack Nicholason fried a guy to a charred skellton with a hand buzzer, that's acceptable, even funny to some people, but its not ok for a Jason to hack and slash with a machette?  In the Dark Knight Health Slater's Rest in Peace btw, His Joker's signature kill is to put a knife into your mouth and put a permanant smile on your face. 

 

Now if the question though is who is better though I have to go with superhero villains because of the variety.  You have psychos like joker but, you also have geniuses like the riddler, and big strong types like General Zod, but also you have the villain that was a good person but got pushed to his or her problems, I.E. Mr. Freeze who went evil because his former boss pulled the plug on his wife's life support. 

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or Lex Luther who believes humans should be at the top if the food chain, not a bunch of guys in tights.

 

For the most part, I agree with Mr. Nobady's wife.  There are "rules" in horror films but their is no absolute good to balance.  I have a hard time with Japanese horror for similar reasons - they do not follow the "rules". Step into the house in the Grudge and you are screwed.  I do think that just regular people fighting the bad (and sometimes winning) is a positive point for horror films though - i.e. we don't always need a savior.


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Now if the question though is who is better though I have to go with superhero villains because of the variety.  You have psychos like joker but, you also have geniuses like the riddler, and big strong types like General Zod, but also you have the villain that was a good person but got pushed to his or her problems, I.E. Mr. Freeze who went evil because his former boss pulled the plug on his wife's life support. 


 

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Regarding horror films and no matter how violent they are, if someone should ridicule me for seeing them, I will retort, "There has never been a horror film where a mother drowned her five children in a bathtub." 

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Wow, some really good arguments here.  For me I have a hard time seperating the two.  Villains are villains no matter what, but I think for many people there has to be a good element present to make it "OK" for people.  In horror it can be very one sided with nothing to redeme it in the end.  To answer my own vs questions I lean more towards the horror villains and Hannibal Lecter wins since he only killed people with bad taste or that were bad people - or those who threatened Clarice Starling. 

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