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Sun_Cat
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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?

You know, even though I obviously don't feel a lot of loyalty to B&N, knowing what I now know I would still buy a Nook Simple Touch because I think it has the best ergonomics of any available ereader. (Only now I would get the glowlight, which wasn't available when I got my NST.)

 

I deplore B&N's lack of reasonable software development and lack of responsiveness here, but the reader program is adequate for my needs as it is. And I don't have to buy a single book from B&N if I don't want to (and I usually don't).

 

If they would only improve the shelving and the dictionary, I'd be a much happier camper. I know there are some solutions (or more like work toward solutions) over on XDA-Developers, but they all require rooting and I'm not all that interested. One of these days I'm going to fiddle around to see whether something could be cobbled together to create shelves from Calibre and push them onto the NST with ClockWorkMod Recovery. (That's an alternate recovery mode boot from the sdcard that doesn't require rooting.) I suspect that it probably can be done.

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bobstro
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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?

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Sun_Cat wrote:

You know, even though I obviously don't feel a lot of loyalty to B&N, knowing what I now know I would still buy a Nook Simple Touch because I think it has the best ergonomics of any available ereader. (Only now I would get the glowlight, which wasn't available when I got my NST.)


What I really want is a lightweight, high contrast, daylight readable tablet. When I show my rooted NST to friends, they tend to say it's near perfect. The eInk display is the best thing going currently, but the flicker and slow refresh is definitely noticeable. It works well for reading. I suspect it won't be long before this market gets targeted by a hardware manufacturer looking to fill a niche.


I deplore B&N's lack of reasonable software development and lack of responsiveness here, but the reader program is adequate for my needs as it is. And I don't have to buy a single book from B&N if I don't want to (and I usually don't).


The B&N reader is "good", but hardly at the best-in-class level I'd expect from a company that should be focused on making the best reader possible. 


If they would only improve the shelving and the dictionary, I'd be a much happier camper. I know there are some solutions (or more like work toward solutions) over on XDA-Developers, but they all require rooting and I'm not all that interested.


B&N should really take some lessons from (or simply acquire) Mantano. The Mantano Reader works across all my NOOK devices (rooted, of course) as well as my Android devices. The interface and feature set is consistent between devices, with a few costmetic variations based on the underlying OS (Android version -- 2.1 elair on the NST, 2.2 foyo on the NC, 2.3 gingerbread on the NT and 4.0 ICS on the samsung). I can load the dictionary of my choosing. Multi-language support is available. Reading position and library organization sync between devices. PDF and epub reading function near identically. With a few menu and contrast display glitches on the monochrome NST display fixed, it would be ideal.


One of these days I'm going to fiddle around to see whether something could be cobbled together to create shelves from Calibre and push them onto the NST with ClockWorkMod Recovery. (That's an alternate recovery mode boot from the sdcard that doesn't require rooting.) I suspect that it probably can be done.


Pretty close. On NST, someone has developed scripts to directly manipulate the B&N databases on the device. You boot the "noogie" image off of uSD to make the normally-hidden B&N partitions available to your desktop computer. The scripts read the SQLite database off the device. I believe the scripts will automatically create shelves based on author. You could modify them to do anything else you like with a bit of coding.

 

The limitation is that the B&N software is so bloody awful under the hood. From what I've understood of postings over on XDA, there are TWO databases responsible for book info. These getting out of sync is what causes the "page 1" problem on the NST, and a myriad of other problems. Metadata embedded in epub files is not used, which is why you only see summary data for B&N-purchased titles. You could use these scripts to automate entering a lot of initial data, but there's no guarantee the B&N software won't break it all.

 

 

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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?

I think the lack of activity on the forums is because the thread topics fall into three categories:

 

1. Problems/solutions:

 

  • NC/NT USB cable
  • Can't connect via WiFi
  • Can't configure eMail
  • Not enough space
  • Not enough apps
  • Shelves
  • Rooting
  • Other

Most of these are old (but repeating) topics, and many old-timers are tired of answering the same old (to them) questions.

 

2. Speculation:

 

  • Software updates (nowadays, expectations are a bit lower ...)
  • New Nook device (ditto)
  • Competing 3rd party devices
  • What will happen in the eBook industry

Same as above;  the same discussions get old (except for new 3rd party devices) ...

 

3. Reading:

 

  • Nook Friends need Friends
  • Read my Book
  • Book discussion

This is the area that probably stays fresh, but it's not of much interest to me personally ...

 

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Edit:  Moved question to different forum to prevent "hikacking" of the thread...

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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?

Dean answers this well. Although the blogs can be addressed directly, I find reviewers like Paul in the sci fi and fantasy blog invaluable. If I don't read the book he reviews, books he compares the reviewed book with often interest me. This is the one time the suggestions function has some value if looking for values the suggested books are sometimes older and a bit less, but often excellent. The NOOK forums are dependant on news or model changes to spark conversation. Readers not tech nerds are still BN'S core.
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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?


DeanGibson wrote:

 

3. Reading:

 

  • Nook Friends need Friends
  • Read my Book
  • Book discussion

This is the area that probably stays fresh, but it's not of much interest to me personally ...

 


These first two make me want to stick a fork in my eyeball.

 

I like the book discussion and see that as one of the major drivers of the forums (these are the bookclubs that bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com refers to, after all).  However, movement in the discussion is often so slow that by the time there is a new post I've forgotten the conversation.

 

IMO B&N is squandering the value of these forums when it comes to book discussion.  Put the link on the main page.  Make these forums accessible and encourage people to talk about the books they like.  This will generate sales - really, it will - but it will only happen if there is engaging conversation, and if no one comes to talk, no one talks (duh?).  I think there is a sweet spot in forums, where there's just enough conversation for people to feel engaged without feeling overwhelmed, and these forums feel like they're on the low end for conversation.  We need more people talking here.

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Re: Is the B&N Forum Dying?


keriflur wrote:
[...] IMO B&N is squandering the value of these forums when it comes to book discussion.  Put the link on the main page.  Make these forums accessible and encourage people to talk about the books they like.  This will generate sales - really, it will - but it will only happen if there is engaging conversation.

I was surprised to find myself buying a couple of books after reading about them in the NYT Review of Books and NPR Books reviewsI download via Calibre. I've never made an impulse buy like that before in my previous 45+ years of reading. B&N might consider an arrangement to distribute these sorts of magazines free (to customers) or at a discount to encourage this sort of exposure. It's fun to get a subscription show up on the home page, and a freebie might be a good draw while also providing a great demo. Enhanced versions that link to discussions here would be nice as well.