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orb9220
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It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

 

What's your take on it? As some things I'm agreeing with. As tablet makers seem to be catching up.

 

Some comments at the bottom that caught my eye.

 

"Instead of building tablets they should invest in enough developers to fix all the bugs in the software Nook ereaders (PC/Mac/Android/iOS) and to give these ereaders all the features of their current tablets. And with these ereaders we should also see an update every half year"

 

"I’m just not convinced that they have invested into long-term product development of the Nook line. I hope they prove everyone wrong, though, and release a unified platform with the best features from every aspect of Nook and Nook Study, but we are talking about the company that can’t properly implement a single wish list."

 

"The e-Ink, Color/Tablet, Android, and PC applications are all so different as to be laughable. On the other hand, Amazon feels like they have actual developers and make continual progress (to the point where I feel that Amazon finally closed the gap on B&N and started to pass them)."

 

May just be me? As seeing the path forward starting to crumble and lookin more unstable in my eyes.

 

Share your insigts and thoughts on it. As always checking for flaws in my thinking and limited perceptions about things.

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Re: It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery


orb9220 wrote:

It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

 

What's your take on it? As some things I'm agreeing with. As tablet makers seem to be catching up.

 

Some comments at the bottom that caught my eye.

 

"Instead of building tablets they should invest in enough developers to fix all the bugs in the software Nook ereaders (PC/Mac/Android/iOS) and to give these ereaders all the features of their current tablets. And with these ereaders we should also see an update every half year"

 

"I’m just not convinced that they have invested into long-term product development of the Nook line. I hope they prove everyone wrong, though, and release a unified platform with the best features from every aspect of Nook and Nook Study, but we are talking about the company that can’t properly implement a single wish list."

 

"The e-Ink, Color/Tablet, Android, and PC applications are all so different as to be laughable. On the other hand, Amazon feels like they have actual developers and make continual progress (to the point where I feel that Amazon finally closed the gap on B&N and started to pass them)."

 

May just be me? As seeing the path forward starting to crumble and lookin more unstable in my eyes.

 

Share your insigts and thoughts on it. As always checking for flaws in my thinking and limited perceptions about things.

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The article appears to me to be biased and reflective of a poor understanding of Accounting and Business practices.  B&N's response regarding Accounting methods was accurate, IMO.  Under the "Agency" model of pricing, the company's Revenues were artificially inflated due to the use of the "Comparable Sales" method of accounting.  Under the GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) method, the company's revenues are more accurately reflected, and a lower number compared to a previous fiscal year is misleading.   In this case, Gross Profits might be a better indicator. 

 

So far, B&N has shown that it has a vision for the future.  It's ability to execute has shown a few hitches, however.  Lambasting a book seller for deficiencies in the development of applications available for a product line consisting of a couple of tablets and a number or e-readers strikes me as being off-the-mark.  I, for example, would not exchange my NT for any other tablet on the market simply because my NOOK meets my requirements.  It might not meet yours, but it meets mine.

 

One of the reasons why new device sales might be down (other than the "skimming the cream" aspect of new product introductions) is that the stores no longer seem to be featuring the NOOKs on special displays set up at the front of the stores, just inside the entrance, where they can't be overlooked by customers.  Obviously, the effort to sell NOOKs has been somewhat relaxed by B&N, so it shouldn't be surprising that Sales of such devices might decline. 

 

Just some thoughts.

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Re: It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

Did I miss something?  Outside of the sensational, tabloid-fodder title, the rest of the article seems to be yet another regurgitation of the financials press release, with no actual argument for "putting the nook out of it's misery" included.

 

My personal feeling is that if you're going to make an inflammatory public statement you should probably support it with some semblance of well, anything.  Otherwise I'm going to think very little of both you and the outfit you write for.  *looks directly at Nate Hoffelder, the author of the article*

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Re: It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

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OMG do Deesy and I actually agree on something???

 

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The good news for B&N is that ebook sales are up, so there's a growing market to go after. I'd be much more worried for them if those numbers were flat or declining!

 

The NOOK line is getting a bit long in the tooth, so it's definitely time for "something new", even if the headline is a bit spectacular. While the NT bumped performance, it was essentially the NC II. The NSTG is, hopefully, getting past its birthing pains, so should be a steady low-end device. If they manage something compelling in the "tablet" market in the next few months, retiring the NC/NT won't be a bad thing. They've had a good run they can be proud of. They're already indicated they're up to something new with display technology. I hope it's good exciting stuff that gets them re-energized in time for the year-end push.

 

I do agree with some of the comments.

 

More troubling is how to handle the "50 Shades" bump. If that is real, it puts B&N in an odd place. Do they want to be the "adult" reader?

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Re: It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery


bobstro wrote:

 

More troubling is how to handle the "50 Shades" bump. If that is real, it puts B&N in an odd place. Do they want to be the "adult" reader?


I'm fairly confident that 50 Shades is a tide that's floating all boats, not just B&N.

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Re: It’s Time B&N Took the Nook Out Back and Put it out of its Misery

1) B&N is selling Nooks in just 1 country. Estimates for Nook Tablet and Nook Color sales fall between 3 million and 7 million.

 

So as it expands to UK and perhaps to other countries sales are going to go up.

 

2) Windows 8 will feature Nook Bookstore as the DEFAULT bookstore. This is HUGE. People don't really realize how huge.

 

Example: Google and Microsoft pay Verizon and wireless providers hundreds of millions of dollars to have their search engine as the DEFAULT search engine. Google pays/used to pay Mozilla $100 million or so to have Google as the default search engine in the Firefox browser.

 

Every single Windows 8 user will have the DEFAULT option of buying Nook Books. This alone is enough to keep B&N's Newco division doing well for as long as Windows 8 is around.

 

3) B&N has a new Nook Tablet in the works. It might be very good or it might be very bad. However, everyone seems to be comparing Kindle Fire 2 (which isn't out) and Galaxy Nexus 7 and iPad Mini (which isn't out) with the current Nook Tablet. The competitor will actually be Nook Tablet 2.

 

4) B&N has a TON of store traffic. Real people walking into stores. Real people who read books.

 

So, the advice to end the Nook Tablet doesn't really make sense.

 

Perhaps the iPad Mini is absolutely amazing (though it's hard to imagine who can 100% without-any-doubht convince people of that now that Steve Jobs is gone).

Perhaps that reduces available market for Nook Tablets.

 

However, there's a lot to be gained from even being the #3 or #4 Tablet maker. Take PCs. We have HP, Dell, Apple, Acer, Asus, Samsung, Sony all making laptops and PCs. Some aren't very profitable but they are all in there and doing fine.

 

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The most important reason for having Nook eInk eReaders and Nook Tablets is that you lock-in those customers forever (or for life of the device). So they are a recurring source of income and they don't ever leave.

 

Right now it seems strange to be taking losses but over time the $10 or $25 per year of profit per Nook Tablet owner and per Nook eInk eReader owner will add up.

 

If you think about it, Google and Amazon and B&N are all doing the EXACT same thing. Taking losses on devices to lock in customers.

 

So not sure why Google and Amazon are supposed to be WINNING while B&N is supposed to give up. It's the same strategy and it pays off over the long term because of THE POWER OF THE DEFAULT i.e. people will do what's easiest and that's buy ALL content from the device/provider they already have.

 

Microsoft has something like 11 different businesses that are each billion dollar businesses. Nook is also going to be a billion dollar business (perhaps it already is). It's #2 in ebooks in the US. That's a very big deal. Books overall used to be a $26 billion a year business in the US. If the shift to ebooks keeps happening then being #2 in ebooks in the US and even being #3 or #4 worldwide will be a VERY VERY BIG deal.

 

And having eReaders and Tablets is very important for that. Because then you don't have to depend on an ebook store or a search engine or a physical bookstore to reach customers. They come to you (via the device).

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5ivedom: The most important reason for having Nook eInk eReaders and Nook Tablets is that you lock-in those customers forever (or for life of the device). So they are a recurring source of income and they don't ever leave.

 

E-ink e-readers, perhaps. Tablets, not so much.

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TnTexas wrote:

5ivedom: The most important reason for having Nook eInk eReaders and Nook Tablets is that you lock-in those customers forever (or for life of the device). So they are a recurring source of income and they don't ever leave.

 

E-ink e-readers, perhaps. Tablets, not so much.


Apple: locked in customers for their tablets

Amazon: locked in customers for their tablets

Google: locked in customers for their tablets

 

...so why doesn't B&N count in this scenario for you?

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Schwa wrote: [...]

Apple: locked in customers for their tablets

Amazon: locked in customers for their tablets

Google: locked in customers for their tablets

 

...so why doesn't B&N count in this scenario for you?


History, perhaps?

 

Apple: Locked in customers for their music.

Amazon: Locked in customers for their music.

Microsoft: Locked in customers for their music.

 

... so why would ebooks be different?