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New Year, New Topic: NEW YORK CRIME

Happy New Year, everybody! 2007 was a blast, and I have no doubt 2008 will be even better.

At Hard Case Crime, we're kicking off the year as we usually do, by publishing a book by Lawrence Block. This one's called A DIET OF TREACLE, and though Block wrote it in 1961 it has never been published under his real name (or under this title, or at all for more than 40 years). It's the story of a good girl from an uptown neighborhood who gets bored and takes the long subway ride down to Greenwich Village, where she falls under the spell of the drug-using, free-love-practicing counterculture, specifically a troubled young war veteran, his sociopathic roommate, and their beatnik friends. What happens to those characters will keep you glued to the pages...

...but even more than the men and women in the book, the real star of the book is New York City. Block lived in the Village during the sixties, and in this book he paints a fascinating portrait of New York at that time. It's more that just a backdrop for the story -- it's a time capsule, a bit of New York's colorful history preserved forever. (So much so that this weekend the New York Post quoted a scene from the book in their popular "Page Six" gossip column, to illustrate a point about Washington Square Park.)

Thinking about this, it occurred to me that one of the things I love most in my favorite crime novels is the portrait they paint of a particular time and place -- and in particular (since I'm a lifelong New Yorker) the portrait so many of them paint of New York City.

Block, of course, sets most of his books in New York -- the Matt Scudder books explore city's darker corners while the Bernie Rhodenbarr "Burglar" books take readers on a comic tour of city highspots. But Block's hardly the only author to do this. If you want an insider's perspective of commuting around the New York area, read Donald Westlake's books -- his characters always seem to be driving around the city and he lavishes care upon details such as which way traffic on individual streets goes and what driving directions will get you from Point A to Point B the fastest. Cornell Woolrich of "Rear Window" fame paints a highly stylized, romantic but grim picture of the city in many of his books and stories, and it comes off as a haunted, perilous nightscape of shadows and broken dreams. Ed McBain's 87th Precinct novels are nominally set in a city called "Isola," but it's obviously just New York renamed. Pete Hamill's crime novels, like his mainstream novels, are love letters to the city he's most associated with. Paul Auster first achieved fame with his "New York Trilogy," a post modern series of crime novels in which lots questions are posed but might few are answered. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer walks the streets of New York, as does Matt Cordell in Ed McBain's THE GUTTER AND THE GRAVE, and the characters in Ken Bruen and Jason Starr's BUST and SLIDE. And of course my own detective, John Blake, is a New Yorker through and through, though the city doesn't treat him especially well in LITTLE GIRL LOST and SONGS OF INNOCENCE.

What is it about New York that makes it the city of choice for so much crime fiction? (Once upon a time it might have been because of the amount of crime in the city -- but these days it's pretty safe...and even in the past, it's not like there was a shortage of other dangerous cities in America.)

And which portraits of New York in crime fiction are your favorites?

Have you ever read a crime novel set in New York and then tried to hunt down the locations in the city where the book took place? (I have. I'll tell you about that in a future message.)

And is there any part of the city you wish you'd seen depicted in a crime novel but just haven't? (I grew up visiting the Hungarian neighborhood in the east 80s, but I'd never seen any crime novel mention it. That's why in my last book I made the gangsters Hungarians...)

So: The floor is now open. The topic: New York as a setting for, and as depicted in, crime fiction, past and present.

I'm curious to see what you think.

--Charles


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One quick way to get started: You can pick up an anthology of crime stories set in New York. One that comes to mind is Akashic's MANHATTAN NOIR, edited by Lawrence Block; another is Bleak House's HARDBOILED BROOKLYN, edited by Reed Farrel Coleman. You can also try BRONX NOIR, edited by S.J. Rozan, or QUEENS NOIR, edited by Robert Knightly. Or, heck, WALL STREET NOIR, edited by Peter Spiegelman, though that's more about Wall Street as a global phenomenon that as an actual neighborhood in New York.

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I'll have to put more thought to this, but, off the top of my head, Spillane's I, THE JURY jumps up as a favorite New York crime novel. I first read that one at the age of five (my grandpa was a hater of comic books, and he took away the Spider Man and gave me the Spillane) and I think that's about exactly where my love for crime fiction kicked in, and probably a fair amount of confusion, because, hey, I was five. Heh.

THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE, TWO, THREE would be another (thought I have long forgotten the author's name. Good movie of that one, too.
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Charles, just about a week ago I finished reading Richard Aleas's fine "Songs of Innocence," (I'm sure he must frequent this club), and as far as I'm concerned the stars of the book were the great roster of NYC locations, especially the Hungarian neighborhood. There was scarcely a location in the book that I haven't been to in the past. Well, a couple: I haven't been to that Hungarian bar (though I've been in the other Hungarian restaurants and shops mentioned), and while I lived on 32nd Street between Fifth and Madison for about two years at the end of the 80s, I haven't been in the "spa" so well described in the book. I also live close to the 190th Street 1 train stop, so I've been to that location as well.

The book was a treat, and it was largely because of its NYC setting. I think NYC has a labyrinthine quality that serves crime fiction well. Characters have to move in all directions (N, E, W, S, Up, Down) to catch up with one another.

I also just finished reading "Bust" by Ken Bruen and Jason Starr, and the NYC locations in that one were great as well. I think another advantage NYC has as a location is that most readers are so familiar with it that it doesn't need to be described much by a writer for it to seem real - we can all tap our own impressions. I think a writer has to work much harder to describe, for example, Los Angeles. Having been there just twice, I don't have a good feel for the place.
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I am only about a year in this mix. As I mentioned before I was mostly a Comic book guru when in came to reading for the last 5 years or so.
I got turned on to Hard Case and instead of going to Goodwills, thrift stores & yard sales for 1 purpose (Vinyl Records) I have another (Rustic, Criminal, Pistol-Packed Paper backs).

I never gave being a New Yorker much thought until I read a few Lawrence Block novels. In particular it was The Hitman series and Keller. There are a few different times when Keller finds himself pondering on the thought of moving to one of his "business" destinations. Block makes it a point to bring this up in just about every novel of the series. Dot emphasizes on the fact that Keller must come to terms that he is a New Yorker for life. No other city would do for our lead man...Only New York.

I grew up in Pittsburgh and have since moved to Portland Oregon. I have said it to more then a few friends in recent weeks: "I think I am going to look for work in New York; Get a studio apartment to call home and wonder around for a few years...you know, just be a New Yorker."

I seriously blame this urge on all the crime books I have been reading...Especially Mr. Block. Not that I want to partake in criminal activities or become a P.I., its just the appeal of the city described in the books. I want to know my way around Manhattan...I want to give an out of towner directions. I just want to me involved in the action. I want to go to the deli down the street...you know the one that makes the good prosciutto sandwiches.

Its been a goal of many people I have met: To live in New York for at least a couple years before they die.

I have never been there...But when it comes down to it; I am proud to be living in the country New York calls home. Just the name itself "NEW YORK, NEW YORK" has something about it.

How many "New Yorkers for life" are there?? I wonder if I will ever become one...

Nice topic Charles!

Oh...and just for the record: I still hate the Yankees.
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> I still hate the Yankees.

While some people (my wife included) will tell you them's fighting words, I have to admit I've never been much of a baseball fan. Don't know why, it just never did much for me. So hating the Yankees is okay by me.

> How many "New Yorkers for life" are there??

More than there used to be. When I was growing up in Manhattan in the 1970s, those New Yorkers who weren't getting killed by various and sundry muggers, psychos, and other criminal types were fleeing the city for the relative comfort and security of the suburbs. (Not me. I loved the city with the same sort of perverse pride Bogart has in CASABLANCA when he says, "There are some parts of New York where even the Third Reich will be afraid to go." But lots of people were eager to get out.) These days, with the city more livable than ever, people are clamoring to get in and native-born types aren't in such a rush to leave. The result: more crowded sidewalks than ever. Of course, that means that, while murders may be down, opportunities for pickpockets have never been better. As I always say, there's a cloud to every silver lining.

And to return to the original topic -- crime fiction set in New York -- I think it's the Bogart attitude, the pride in New Yorkers' toughness and resilience and ability to live with things that would make lesser folk faint dead away, that makes this city particularly irresistible for writers of hardboiled crime fiction. And, of course, with millions of inhabitants crammed into a relative handful of square miles, with rich and poor sharing the same streets, with desperation and decadence just blocks away from one another, you've got plenty of the stuff that makes for great crime stories.

--Charles


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Hey, in TIME OUT NEW YORK (link below) I recently picked 10 of my favorite New York-based novels. As with all lists it was hard to come up with just 10 as I could've listed a hundred, but I tried to pick 10 from a variety of genres (not just mystery, crime)
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That's great! (And not only because I show up on the list, though I certainly appreciate that.) Your choices are all excellent, and they're pretty wide ranging.

Interestingly, today I started reading Brett Halliday's 25th "Michael Shayne" novel, SHE WOKE TO DARKNESS, and though the books in that series were generally set in Florida or sometimes New Orleans, this one is narrated by Brett Halliday himself (who appears in the book as a character) and is set in New York City. Not only that -- it opens at the annual Edgar Awards dinner held by the Mystery Writers of America in 1953 and features cameos from various other mystery writers of the day. And interestingly Halliday (who was married in real life) portrays himself as a sex-starved lothario, hitting on young women at the hotel bar. I have no idea whether this was just playfulness on his part or an acurate self-portrait...

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[ Edited ]
I just finished John Connolly's The Killing Kind,and while most of the action takes place outside of NYC, the main character, Charlie Parker, does make a stop into one of the city's great, great bars; Chumley's.

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Charles, would you recommend She Woke to Darkness? That MWA awards opening sounds interesting...

And regarding Chumley's, I'm sorry to say it no longer exists. Some work was being done on the building last year and it caused a partial collapse, and the building has been totally gutted since then, and is still boarded up.

I work just a few blocks away from there, and sadly I never got a chance to visit the place while it was open. Who'd have thought it would collapse? A shame, as the place had historical significance.
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For anyone interested in the latest on Chumley's, Click Here. That's really a shame.

To The White Horse Tavern then!




JKL wrote:
Charles, would you recommend She Woke to Darkness? That MWA awards opening sounds interesting...

And regarding Chumley's, I'm sorry to say it no longer exists. Some work was being done on the building last year and it caused a partial collapse, and the building has been totally gutted since then, and is still boarded up.

I work just a few blocks away from there, and sadly I never got a chance to visit the place while it was open. Who'd have thought it would collapse? A shame, as the place had historical significance.


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I am really glad that you mentioned the Ed McBain books even though they don;t technically take place in New York. The first book I read in the 87th Precint series, I just assumed it was in New York. When I reached the first passing reference to Isola I thought I must be some part of the city I never heard of and made a note to look it up later. I was actually suprized that I felt so New Yorkish too me when I had never actually been there.

I am curious to hear people's stories about looking up locations in New York from book. It seem like such a fun thing to do. Unfortunatly, I live in Vancouver and although I think the city would make a great setting for a crime novel, (Very moody weather, lots of ports and striking buildings, eccentric people/ nieghbourhoods) I haven't really read any great crime books that take place here.
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For an incredibly visual and visceral tour of Manhattan's Lower East Side, Charlie Huston's Caught Stealing is a must read.

Also, coming in March, Richard Price's Lush Life is another stellar look at the East Side below 14th Street. The dialogue, by the way, is simply amazing!
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I can't believe I forgot to mention Charlie Stella! One of (IMHO) the best writers going. His writing isn't overly burdened with description, but you really get a feel for the city as his characters do their thing.
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> Charles, would you recommend
> She Woke to Darkness? That MWA
> awards opening sounds interesting...

Unfortunately, no. It's not terrible, but it's not one of the best Shayne novels (for one thing, Shayne himself doesn't even show up till halfway through the book), and it's gruesomely sexist, even for its time. If you want a better Shayne, try TICKETS FOR DEATH or MURDER IS MY BUSINESS. Neither of those is set in New York, though.

> And regarding Chumley's, I'm sorry
> to say it no longer exists

Believe it or not, I didn't know that. I'm stunned. I used to hang out there, once upon a time. As some people on the list probably know, Chumley's was supposedly the origin of the expression "to 86" something -- the bar was at 86 Bedford Street, and during Prohibition they'd get calls from paid-off stooges in the police department warning them of raids that were coming down, and the illegal booze would get hidden, or "86'd."

I'll miss 'em.

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Oh, yeah, definitely Charlie Stella.

Charlie does a fantastic job of bringing a certain type of neighborhood and certain type of character to life. He's great in person, too, in part because he was part of the world he depicts for years, and has lots of stories to tell about various shady goings-on he witnessed firsthand. I remember eating dinner with him at an East Side Italian restaurant and seeing him point out the table where, in earlier years, loansharks would lean on hapless debtors to pay up. Made me glad I didn't owe anyone any money that particular evening.

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Ha! That's great, Charles. It's always best to hear those kind of stories from the folks who were there.

Charlie's work is just steeped in authenticity. I was glad SHAKEDOWN came out in paperback in time fore the old holiday gift giving. I've got my fingers crossed that maybe he'll finally start to get the readership his work deserves if his publisher continues doing trade paperback editions along with the hardcovers.

For what it's worth, Charlie Stella would also be on my personal wish list for current writers to do something with Hard Case.
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> Charlie Stella would also be on my
> personal wish list for current writers
> to do something with Hard Case

Mine, too. He and I have talked about it from time to time, but it hasn't worked out yet. I'd love it if it did at some point.

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Ah, excellent. I hope it works out somewhere down the line, as I'm sure it would be a fine edition to the already impeccable Hard Case lineup.
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I just finished reading "A Diet of Treacle" last night. Man, this is why I signed up for the hard Case book club. What a fun piece of beat - splotation.

One thing I really liked about the last two entries was the short afterward that gave the books a bit of context. The publishing history on Treacle seems interesting.

I know that this was orginally published under a different name and I've tried to find out the orginal title. It seems like it was something like " A Pad of Passion" which seems like a funny attempt to make the book seem a little more sordid than it is. Does anyone know what pen name Block used for this book and if it has any signifigance?
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