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L_Monty
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A Note on TAGGING

Hello!

This is just a friendly, general reminder to please keep the TAGS feature descriptive, topical and opinion free.

The purpose of the TAG function is to provide users with a means of finding topics across all forums and enable them to pursue specific interests outside the strictures of any one discussion area. Its interactivity enables users to be part of the process of categorization because (a) being part of something is generally more fun than being on the sidelines and (b) because users single out specific interests with more thoroughness than any "All-Seeing Tagger." But because you can TAG threads and posts, you also have the responsibility of keeping them navigable, understandable and (ideally) impartial.

Recently, however, members in this forum have been using tags to "out" another user's former account name (which is not relevant to the concept of topical searching or, really, any discussion)*, to promote the arguments made in individual posts (using TAGS as praise) and to demean arguments made in others (TAGS as mockery). None of these is a helpful usage of the TAG function, and the last could even be construed as abuse of another poster.

It may be helpful to think of TAGging as a "noun" exercise. If you're using adjectives, something may have already gone wrong. In a thread about Wall St., tagging a post with "America" and "Capitalism" is fine. Tagging it "Naive_Laissez_Faire" or "Socialist_Twaddle" is not. Furthermore, please try to keep your nouns restricted to content that would be objectively evident in the post to the impartial reader.

For instance, if people argue that they don't think a national rail system is possible in the United States, their conclusion could have many reasons. My tagging their posts, "American_Exceptionalism" is presumptive and possibly critical. However, I am free to bring up that concept while I argue with their post and tag my own post "American_Exceptionalism" if I want people interested in that topic to find a post directly and objectively relevant to it.

Finally, please remember to use underscores to link words to make a single tag, but please do not put an underscore preceding the first word, e.g.:

America  Capitalism  _American_Exceptionalism  Trains = (BAD)

America  Capitalism  American_Exceptionalism  Trains   = (GOOD)

This last instance demonstrates a proper tagging for the terms "America," "Capitalism," "American Exceptionalism" and "Trains."

Anyone who has any questions about TAGGING, please feel free to post them here.

 


Thank you.


- Monty

(I should note here that Jon encouraged me to post this, too, because the poor guy is the one who has to clean up mis-tags, so send him best wishes, please)

 

 

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* — Just as a side note, someone's name in "real life" should never be germane to any topic unless they've specifically posted it themselves; or, if shared in PM, they have given other users explicit permission to use it. We choose these usernames for a reason, and most of us do so to preserve some anonymity from the crowd while reserving the right to share our real names at our discretion. Similarly, people are free to abandon old accounts and register new names to give themselves a fresh start. Unless their old username was banned for bad behavior, there's no reason to identify them, because the discussion is not about them. In that case, please PM a mod or admin to alert them to your suspicions about a banned user.

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Choisya
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Re: A Note on TAGGING

Gosh!  I have never used 'tags' and have only just read one or two to see what you were getting at.   It is far too complicated for l'il ol'me and I certainly hadn't realised that it facilitated feuding, just as the laurel system does.   I will continue to ignore both.  I had noticed that a couple of people had come back under pseudonyms but such disguises do not fool anyone for long because their writing styles and opinions give them away eventually.  Can you imagine me coming back as a Conservative who thinks the Iraq war is hunky dory?!   

 

I don't see that the words 'American Exceptionalism' are necessarily critical since they describe a political theory attributed to de Toqueville which was, in fact, complimentary to America.  It is associated with right wing politics but so is Republicanism and that frequently used description does not seem to attract opprobium.  Some folks will always see criticism where there is none and we can't be expected to examine every word we post with their extreme sensitivies in mind.  Chill out! might be a more suitable response.   

 

 


L_Monty wrote:

Hello!

This is just a friendly, general reminder to please keep the TAGS feature descriptive, topical and opinion free.

The purpose of the TAG function is to provide users with a means of finding topics across all forums and enable them to pursue specific interests outside the strictures of any one discussion area. Its interactivity enables users to be part of the process of categorization because (a) being part of something is generally more fun than being on the sidelines and (b) because users single out specific interests with more thoroughness than any "All-Seeing Tagger." But because you can TAG threads and posts, you also have the responsibility of keeping them navigable, understandable and (ideally) impartial.

Recently, however, members in this forum have been using tags to "out" another user's former account name (which is not relevant to the concept of topical searching or, really, any discussion)*, to promote the arguments made in individual posts (using TAGS as praise) and to demean arguments made in others (TAGS as mockery). None of these is a helpful usage of the TAG function, and the last could even be construed as abuse of another poster.

It may be helpful to think of TAGging as a "noun" exercise. If you're using adjectives, something may have already gone wrong. In a thread about Wall St., tagging a post with "America" and "Capitalism" is fine. Tagging it "Naive_Laissez_Faire" or "Socialist_Twaddle" is not. Furthermore, please try to keep your nouns restricted to content that would be objectively evident in the post to the impartial reader.

For instance, if people argue that they don't think a national rail system is possible in the United States, their conclusion could have many reasons. My tagging their posts, "American_Exceptionalism" is presumptive and possibly critical. However, I am free to bring up that concept while I argue with their post and tag my own post "American_Exceptionalism" if I want people interested in that topic to find a post directly and objectively relevant to it.

Finally, please remember to use underscores to link words to make a single tag, but please do not put an underscore preceding the first word, e.g.:

America  Capitalism  _American_Exceptionalism  Trains = (BAD)

America  Capitalism  American_Exceptionalism  Trains   = (GOOD)

This last instance demonstrates a proper tagging for the terms "America," "Capitalism," "American Exceptionalism" and "Trains."

Anyone who has any questions about TAGGING, please feel free to post them here.

 


Thank you.


- Monty

(I should note here that Jon encouraged me to post this, too, because the poor guy is the one who has to clean up mis-tags, so send him best wishes, please)

 

 

___________________

 

* — Just as a side note, someone's name in "real life" should never be germane to any topic unless they've specifically posted it themselves; or, if shared in PM, they have given other users explicit permission to use it. We choose these usernames for a reason, and most of us do so to preserve some anonymity from the crowd while reserving the right to share our real names at our discretion. Similarly, people are free to abandon old accounts and register new names to give themselves a fresh start. Unless their old username was banned for bad behavior, there's no reason to identify them, because the discussion is not about them. In that case, please PM a mod or admin to alert them to your suspicions about a banned user.


 

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Re: A Note on TAGGING

Just for the record, I did not come back with a "pseudonym to fool anyone".  This is the kind of nasty remark that made me leave the site in the first place with no intention to return.  A friend on another board asked about me and expressed concern.  I felt obligated to let her know I was ok and leave.  Then, foolishly, I wandered back here.  I guess I had forgotten what it was like.  Choisya, is that your real name?  

      

 

 

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Choisya
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Re: A Note on TAGGING

Nasty?  Your Username has not been mentioned!  It is not nasty to say that changes of names do not fool anyone when writing style/content can be interpreted, on these boards or anywhere else.  I have experienced it on other boards and it never works.

 

    

No, my real name is not Choisya but I have not changed it.  It was Choisya on BNU and I am Choisya here.  Everyman was C********** on BNU but his writing style was instantly recognisable to all those who knew him previously.  People may not want to use their real names for all kinds of reasons.  Why did you not come back with your former name?

 

 


utopian wrote:

Just for the record, I did not come back with a "pseudonym to fool anyone".  This is the kind of nasty remark that made me leave the site in the first place with no intention to return.  A friend on another board asked about me and expressed concern.  I felt obligated to let her know I was ok and leave.  Then, foolishly, I wandered back here.  I guess I had forgotten what it was like.  Choisya, is that your real name?  

      

 

 


 

   

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I did not use the old name because I asked for it to be banned.  I never wanted to come back.  When I saw that my friends were asking about me I thought long and hard about getting back on but I thought I would do it just for a few days so that I could contact them.

Once on I stayed far from CE.  It's just been a few days.  This board is the last place I intended to go and I apologize if it bothers you that I posted.  I promise it won't happen again.  I do wonder, however, why it's so upsetting.  As Monty has said, the point is to exchange ideas.  It doesn't matter to me at all if your name is C or M or if you change it or keep it.  It's your ideas that I like to think about.  I think in a sense this is what the problem is here.  Ideas are not examined on their own merit.  Everything devolves into personal attacks  and contests between teams.  As I said today I wasn't in a debate or an argument.  I thought we were sharing thoughts but no, I was wrong.  If I say that the American culture is dominated by a desire for freedom and independence you tell me that's "arrogant and irritating".  If you say that England has a great concern for being on time I don't think that's arrogant and I'm not irritated.  I think it's interesting and I certainly wouldn't call you names for it.  Personally, I'm a stickler for being on time.  Does that mean that you're wrong about the English character?  Of course England has it's own history of fighting for freedom but that doesn't negate the American character and it doesn't make me arrogant for observing it.  

 

There can be no free exchange when every comment is judged as right or wrong, left or right.  It feels uncomfortable and it distorts what is being said.  It was the Teamsters Union that helped destroy the railway system.  I'm sure that if you lived here you would know that.  Chicago is a very corrupt city.  You didn't know that before but I bet you do now.  I'm sure there's an encyclopedia of knowledge that you have about Yorkshire and I have no clue.  I enjoy hearing about what you know.  But I do resent being told that you know better than I do about my experience of my own life.  Of my own country.  I did not go on a Gazan site and teach Gazans about Gaza.  If I did go on a Gazan site I would love to hear what they can teach me about Gaza.  

 

I truly am sorry if my name change caused you such distress.  None of these names are real, they're all pseudonyms.  Debbook has been posting my old name all along and I could not care less.  It made her happy I guess.  What difference does it make to me?  

 

 

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Re: A Note on TAGGING

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1. It doesn't matter why anyone is posting here. Stop posting about that. No one cares. We all have our reasons or desires for being here, and doubtless many of them will be unconvincing to other people. Arguing or posting about someone else's motive is a red herring that has nothing to do with any reasonable or productive argument.

 

2. If you care why anyone is posting here, ask yourself why you're posting here. The same sort of cardinal errors that render this environment horrible because of someone else's presence are undoubtedly the same sort of things keeping you posting, which makes whatever problem you're condemning something you're probably willfully a part of.

 

3. If your only comments in this forum are about "how" someone is posting or how you react to his posting or really nothing at all about the topic at hand, please omit the comment. Everyone can read a thread, and they don't need their hand held through a commentary on your satisfaction with individual posts. (In that case, use the Laurels, please.) A thread is not about how much you may like/dislike posts but about their ideas and their defense. Those ideas and how they're argued trumps personal affection/disaffection, and entering the thread simply to cheerlead what you like or how you think other people aren't up to snuff in your book is irrelevant and immaterial and mostly just ironic if you haven't posted something of substance yourself.

 

4. If the only ideas you have are about someone who is not you, why did you post that? 

 

5. If your only point is to express how you are NOT engaging in a specific conduct, your one declaration will suffice. If it's true, we'll all believe it. There's no reason to show up to every booze-oriented party and tell the host, "I DO NOT DRINK. I AM HERE ANYWAY." We get it. Our getting it is not subtle. The declaration, however faulty, is enough.

Message Edited by L_Monty on 04-26-2009 04:00 PM
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Choisya
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Re: Tagging or Search?

Monty:  What is the advantage of using 'tagging' over using the Search facility at the bottom of each page?  If I want to search for American Exceptionalism or Railways it will come up there as will any other word or phrase I key in.  If I know who posted what I want to look up, I post in Username and their name and posts will come up.  I have always used the Search facility in this way and have found it very useful.  It is also secret and less likely to offend! 

 

   

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Re: A Note on TAGGING

Can you imagine me coming back as a Conservative who thinks the Iraq war is hunky dory?!  

 

One can but hope.  :smileywink:

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Re: A Note on TAGGING

Utopian, I have deleted the tags that upset you. I hope you and twj will give me the same courtesy.
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