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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

As much as I deplore the "N" word, I think it's appropriate for the times for which it was written...it simply wouldn't be believable to replace the word with something that's more politically correct for today's audience.  How then would anyone know how far things have come since those times, albeit, not far enough.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

Whoever said that books have to be nice except book burners.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

 


carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Yes true enough.

 

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.


No, I am open-minded about most things but I will never tolerate petty bureaucracy.

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carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.


No, I am open-minded about most things but I will never tolerate petty bureaucracy.


 

"Modesty is not a virtue," saith Aristotle.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

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carusmm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.


No, I am open-minded about most things but I will never tolerate petty bureaucracy.


 

"Modesty is not a virtue," saith Aristotle.


 

 

The Good is that which is harder.  Mark Twain tried for a  temperance.in language beyond him; he was an impassioned compassionate man.

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"


carusmm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.


No, I am open-minded about most things but I will never tolerate petty bureaucracy.


 

"Modesty is not a virtue," saith Aristotle.


 

 

The Good is that which is harder.  Mark Twain tried for a  temperance.in language beyond him; he was an impassioned compassionate man.


Anger is hard to dissuade and pleasure is even harder.  In regard to race, Mark Twain, motivated by anger, took pleasure in showing white people up for what they were.  To disregard the intent of an author is typical of yokels, and I expect better from the French.

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Sarcasm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

KathyS wrote:

carusmm wrote:

TiggerBear wrote:

Of possible interest. I saw an interview with the owner/publisher of the edited Huck Finn. He's promised to not release the book what so ever in areas where the book wasn't already banned form schools due to it's use of the N-word. His mission is that it's better some version of the book gets to those kids than no version, even if he does personally prefer the unedited.

 

Even he finds unpleasant elements within changing Twain's language use.

 


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


Open mindedness?


No.


Cut off your nose, to spite your face.


No, I am open-minded about most things but I will never tolerate petty bureaucracy.


 

"Modesty is not a virtue," saith Aristotle.


 

 

The Good is that which is harder.  Mark Twain tried for a  temperance.in language beyond him; he was an impassioned compassionate man.


Anger is hard to dissuade and pleasure is even harder.  In regard to race, Mark Twain, motivated by anger, took pleasure in showing white people up for what they were.  To disregard the intent of an author is typical of yokels, and I expect better from the French.


Please excuse me, carusmm, I'm not up to these euphemisms, and quotes. 

 

I know who Samuel Clemens was.  As a writer of fiction, his life took on the role of fiction in the process....intent, or not...who was he, we ask...not many people knew. He was a man who denounced his God and everyone in the process....taking his real life into that of Mark Twain's.  A caricature...of a sad and lonely man, who dressed in white, and lived with, and for, death.  I value his writing, not the man who sits on this make-believe/fictional pedestal.  I value the opinions of other's who choose to publish what they will, whether I agree, or not...this publication becomes a choice for all, to read or not to read, I honestly don't care.

 

As far as this subject of the N word, I've written all that I have to write on this subject further down in this thread, and on Ellen's blog, where conversation looked at this subject at every turn.  This isn't petty, and it isn't a bureaucracy you're dealing with, it's human nature; living and breathing humans who feel.  And the choice belongs to all of us, now, to accept this N word or not in his writing. 

 

That's it for me.  Have a great day, and happy reading, whatever your choices may be.

Kathy

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Re: Huckleberry Finn: Removal of the "N-Word"

Mark Twain did denounce his god but not before He proved cruel first.

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Hey, just read the book

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I made a stop for "Huckleberry Finn" on my literature tour. But if you read Huckleberry Finn, then you might a discover a part where he places a tall tree in juxtaposition with a "church steeple." The American frontier was this wonderful line between civilization and nature- well, alright maybe not so wonderful. But "civilization" for many small midwest towns was the church-that is, the church was often the center of town and the tallest building. So if I, like Huck Finn and probably Mark Twain, rejected everything that civilization was in the late 1800's, which was corrupt, perverse, unfree and so on, then I would also have to reject the church by proxy -not that Twain or Huck Finn was an atheist or an agnostic necessarily.....:smileywink:

 

 

Chad  

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Re: Hey, just read the book


chad wrote:

I made a stop for "Huckleberry Finn" on my literature tour. But if you read Huckleberry Finn, then you might a discover a part where he places a tall tree in juxtaposition with a "church steeple." The American frontier was this wonderful line between civilization and nature- well, alright maybe not so wonderful. But "civilization" for many small midwest towns was the church-that is, the church was often the center of town and the tallest building. So if I, like Huck Finn and probably Mark Twain, rejected everything that civilization was in the late 1800's, which was corrupt, perverse, unfree and so on, then I would also have to reject the church by proxy -not that Twain or Huck Finn was an atheist or an agnostic necessarily.....:smileywink:

 

 

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Twain was a lifelong skeptic.

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Mark Twain charged with racism?

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"In 1957 an explosive new indictment of the novel swept aside the literary critics and established itself as the defining controversy over Huckleberry Finn.  Amid the gathering force of the civil rights movement, the NAACP condemned the novel as racist - a condemnation that rested in large part on Jim's diction, and on Mark Twain's 211 uses of the word '**bleep**'.  Although passionately rebutted by critics and writers of both races - who have maintained ceaselessly that '**bleep**' did not reflect authorial intention but authentic regional/period dialogue, and that its appearance frequently made a satirical case against the speaker - the 'racist' charge has never lost its grip on the novel's reputation."  Ron Powers, Mark Twain: a life

 

"Whether or not Twain the man was a racist, his imaginative parts created a character [Jim] who challenged Twain's own moral nature."  Thomas Quirk, "Is Huckleberry Finn politically correct?"

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"Everything that one need understand about Mark Twain's motives may be found in the work itself.  Against the most invidious supposition of all - racism - [Robert] Hirst [the editor-in-chief of the Mark Twain Project at Berkeley] cites the powerful scolding, in Chapter 15 [of Huckleberry Finn], that Jim administers to Huck for toying with his mind after the two became separated in the fog.  (" '...En when I wake' up en fine you back agin, all safe en soun', de tears come en I could a got down on my knees en kiss yo' foot I's so thankful.  En all you wuz thinkin' 'bout, wuz how you could make a fool of old Jim wid a lie.' ")  After this tongue-lashing, Huck 'humbles' himself to Jim.

     Calling Jim the supreme imaginative character of the whole book, Hirst speaks for more than a few scholars by noting that Jim denounces Huck's racist treatment of him, pointing out that no other American author [than Twain] of the 19th century dedicated his masterpiece to combating postwar racism."  Ron Powers, Mark Twain: a life

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Re: Mark Twain charged with racism?

People should look to themselves and not Mark Twain for racism.

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Re: Mark Twain charged with racism?


carusmm wrote:

People should look to themselves and not Mark Twain for racism.


I'm not sure what the above people considered "racism" to be. The setting of "Huckleberry Finn" is the 19th century in a region of the country dependent on the institution of slavery. Jim was also a runaway slave.....

 

Chad