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12-07-2009 10:24 AM
TWJ, time to stop painting Palin as a victim. If you've read what I've said, here, she stepped into the slime, no one forced her, and she's dishing it out just as fast, and just as much as Levi. They're both playing the victim, to the tune of the dollar bills. They may have a different brush to paint with, but it spreads just as evenly.
Tiger Woods has nothing to do with this topic. He's an athlete that happens to be in the public eye, and was stupid, making bad choices in his personal life. Yes, stupid to think it would stay covered up. No better than what Clinton did, or any other public figure.
But, in the case of Palin and Levi, she draged her family into her spotlight. She, as far as I'm concerned, is as guilty of spreading her slime to the public eye. She's not squeaky clean, and all I see in publishing this book is, she's not letting go of that spotlight. No different, as I said, than Levi. It is money, it is fame, it is wrong. It's not as if she's a writer. She dictated that book, and wanted it published for a reason, and it wasn't to show off her writing skills.
http://kathys-aliceinwonderland.blogspot.com/
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12-07-2009 10:38 AM
Looking back at the 2008 election, I remember the slight backlash from the open support of Oprah vis a vis Obama. I don't know if it was real or imagined by the media covering it, but there it is.
As for ridicule of Woods and the Palin family drama, when a candidate for public office has to submit to a medical exam (which is controversial, true), pretty much assume your private life is no longer private. Your values are on trial and up for discussion in ways that can be shocking to the most stable individual. As soon as you hitch on to that person in a public way, as her ex-son-in-law-to-be, Levi, has, you bring every aspect of that relationship into the limelight. Maybe before one agrees to pose for Playgirl, one might remember that.
Tiger Woods, was a very young athlete when he was thrust into the mainstream as a unique commodity. I'll never forget that first Nike commercial with him. I was touched by it - and so many others were as well. His life has risen far above the standard for a commercial spokesperson. Only Michael Jordan or Michael Phelps have been so universally recognized in my memory. They, too, had their failings. They too, are human. I think there's a difference in choices between Tiger Woods and the Palin reality show, and there should also be differences in their treatment... at least I will treat them differently in my own mind.
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12-07-2009 11:10 AM
Now, even her father is getting into the act. He's now saying that Sarah left her first college in Hawaii because there were too many Asians and that made her uncomfortable, while she is saying that she left because Hawaii was not condusive to studying.
Surely the father's comment will not endear her to the Asian-American voters. So why did he say what he did? Is he too dense to understand the repercussions? Or is he just fanning the flames so that Sarah will have more controversies to make money off of?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/palins-fa
There's an interesting blog at the Huffington Post called "The Irrefutable Stupidity of Sarah Palin" that folks might want to read here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-irref
The author makes an interesting point -- no one on the left is questioning the intellect of Newt Gringrich or other big-name right-wingers, so the idea that people are making comments about Sarah's intellect simply because they don't agree with her politics doesn't hold water.
And an interesting list of "10 Dumbest Sarah Palin Quotes" here:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/pa
I think she needs a real script to give an intelligent speech -- assuming that she sticks with the speech. She seems to run into real problems whenever someone asks her to respond extemporaneously.
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12-07-2009 02:02 PM
I like this one. We go from Show business to Political business....what happened to the truth? - smile, you're on candid camera! .And as John Stossel would say, GIVE ME A BREAK!
http://kathys-aliceinwonderland.blogspot.com/
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12-07-2009 02:49 PM
Bill O'Reilly: Let me be very bold and fresh again, do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?
Sarah Palin: I believe that I am because I have common sense and I have I believe the values that I think are reflective of so many other American values, and I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the uhm, the ah, a kind of spineless, spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite, Ivy league education and, and a fat resume that is based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans are could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership, I'm not saying that that has to be me.
Anybody want to ask me to run for President? Here are my qualificatons:
I brush my teeth everyday, take a shower when I need it, and pray for this country....more over, I put my money into the bank...at least once a month, when S.S. time rolls around....I pet dogs and cats, and am nice to babies...the ones that don't bit or throw up on me....and I only drink Billy Budwiser.
Any more hard questions you want to ask me? Oh, yeah, I forgot, I've been to Liechtenstein....a major force to reckon with, just like me! [American flag is seen pinned to bra strap falling off left shoulder]
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Now, even her father is getting into the act. He's now saying that Sarah left her first college in Hawaii because there were too many Asians and that made her uncomfortable, while she is saying that she left because Hawaii was not conducive to studying.
Surely the father's comment will not endear her to the Asian-American voters. So why did he say what he did? Is he too dense to understand the repercussions? Or is he just fanning the flames so that Sarah will have more controversies to make money off of?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/06/palins-fa
ther-she-left-ha_n_381724.html
There's an interesting blog at the Huffington Post called "The Irrefutable Stupidity of Sarah Palin" that folks might want to read here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-irref
utable-stupidity_b_382213.html
The author makes an interesting point -- no one on the left is questioning the intellect of Newt Gringrich or other big-name right-wingers, so the idea that people are making comments about Sarah's intellect simply because they don't agree with her politics doesn't hold water.
And an interesting list of "10 Dumbest Sarah Palin Quotes" here:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/pa
lin-top-10.htm
I think she needs a real script to give an intelligent speech -- assuming that she sticks with the speech. She seems to run into real problems whenever someone asks her to respond extemporaneously.
http://kathys-aliceinwonderland.blogspot.com/
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12-07-2009 05:26 PM
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TiggerBear wrote:Ok I have a question for you guys.
How many of you have been there your self during last pres vote bit, from Palin trying to become VP?
Sorry, Tigger, I don't understand your question? May I'm just denser than usual this morning?
No problem. During the past election run, when she was stumping, speaking, ect.. for the McCain/Palin ticket. Did any of you go see her speak? Not speeches you read, listened to a taping, or watched a video of; but one's in which you were actually there yourself in the room while she was speaking.
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12-07-2009 06:54 PM
TiggerBear wrote:
Peppermill wrote:
TiggerBear wrote:Ok I have a question for you guys.
How many of you have been there your self during last pres vote bit, from Palin trying to become VP?
Sorry, Tigger, I don't understand your question? May I'm just denser than usual this morning?
No problem. During the past election run, when she was stumping, speaking, ect.. for the McCain/Palin ticket. Did any of you go see her speak? Not speeches you read, listened to a taping, or watched a video of; but one's in which you were actually there yourself in the room while she was speaking.
I live in NY. Republican presidential candidates never come to NY during campaign time. (not counting the convention obviously)
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12-07-2009 10:56 PM
I see it from almost a completely opposite perspective.
Psychee wrote: “Tiger never asked for publicity about his personal life and has successfully, up till now, been able to avoid it.”
It would seem that it has been in HIS interest, in view of his children and his marriage, to keep his personal life---such as it---out of the public eye. Perhaps even from a financial perspective, it’s been in his interest. Of course he would never “ask” for publicity in that area.
But if no one (read “public”) watched him play, no corporation/sponsor would have a reason to pay him. His livelihood is very much dependent on public interest. (He plays a great game of golf. In front of cameras.)
His wife and children have doubtless been hurt THROUGH HIS ACTIONS…And those actions? What was the motivation? To build a better life for his family? To try to build a better America? Was there some admirable goal to his actions? Would his actions have been admirable if everything had worked out…i.e.., no one found out?
Sarah Palin, on the other hand, enters public life when she runs for city council. I would’t think city council members in Wasilla, Alaska are paid much. Certainly less than Tiger Woods. But by being a member of the city council they can make a difference … they can put forward their views as to what might make their city a better place for their families – and other families – to live. Someone has to serve on the city council.
Isn’t that what good citizens are supposed to do in this country? To step forward and take responsibility? Even at the cost of long hours and poor pay? To show one’s children that the city, state, country they live in is of value? Worth making an effort for?
Psychee wrote: “Sarah also profits handsomely from bad publicity -- the more there is, the more she is in the news, and the more she becomes a commodity who can get big payments for appearances. The public pays to enjoy scandal and Sarah gets her piece of the pie. She can laugh all the way to the bank.”
Maybe I’m missing something. I don’t see how Sarah Palin has profited from bad publicity. Had she not been slammed during the campaign, there would have been an increased likelihood that McCain would have won the election. [Certainly not a guarantee. But an increased likelihood certainly.] Had McCain won the election, she would have been Vice-President. On leaving office as Vice-President, the first woman VP, she would have had an extremely marketable book. Hillary Clinton’s book did very well and she wasn’t even VP.
The bad publicity is not what draws Sarah Palin’s supporters. (During the campaign, I wanted to get a closer look at Sarah Palin and I did go to a rally. It was initially supposed to be a pancake breakfast meeting. I got successive emails changing the location because more and more people were asking for tickets. The event was finally held in some huge rodeo building on the State Fairgrounds. The traffic in and out was crazy. She delivered an upbeat, energized campaign speech. The audience loved her. And that was her job. She was running as VP. She wasn’t setting policy. She was promoting John McCain. She promoted John McCain very well.) (The pancake breakfast would have been more interesting. It would have provided a more revealing setting with questions from the audience. But the crowd at the State Fairgrounds undoubtedly brought in more campaign funds and generated more excitement. So from the McCain/Palin point-of-view, it was more effective.)
When you write “the public pays to enjoy scandal and Sarah gets her piece of the pie” … I’m not sure what you’re basing that on. I know this is anecdotal, but the behavior on this B&N thread alone would seem to undercut that theory. The moderators went to the trouble of postponing the discussion so that Palin … let’s use the word “critics” … wouldn’t have to BUY the book...lest Sarah Palin profit.
The bad publicity has hurt Sarah Palin’s family. Throughout her book she writes that she herself can accept the give-and-take on the political trail….But she’s pained by the hurt her family has had to suffer. I don’t know if you have children, but if you had a young daughter in similar circumstances to that of Bristol Palin, would you feel that you had profited handsomely. Would you brush aside your child’s tears as you laughed your way to the bank. I really don’t think you would. I really don’t think any mother would.
Should only candidates without families run for public office? I could be misinterpreting, but you seem to be saying, "If you run for public office, YOU are responsible for having exposed your family ... and it's really funny."
Psychee wrote: “Bad publicity doesn't work the same for Tiger - he can potentially lose income as a result of it...”
I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say here. It seems to me that what you’re saying is that negative publicity is only to be considered a bad thing if might potentially cause one to lose income. That damage to one’s family or reputation is of no import. Or have I misunderstood your position?
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12-07-2009 11:07 PM
debbook wrote:
TiggerBear wrote:
Peppermill wrote:
TiggerBear wrote:Ok I have a question for you guys.
How many of you have been there your self during last pres vote bit, from Palin trying to become VP?
Sorry, Tigger, I don't understand your question? May I'm just denser than usual this morning?
No problem. During the past election run, when she was stumping, speaking, ect.. for the McCain/Palin ticket. Did any of you go see her speak? Not speeches you read, listened to a taping, or watched a video of; but one's in which you were actually there yourself in the room while she was speaking.
I live in NY. Republican presidential candidates never come to NY during campaign time. (not counting the convention obviously)
Ok I'll wait for a few more responses.
I did. And it puts her in a distinct perspective.
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12-08-2009 01:59 AM
Adelle, I agree it has been in Tiger Wood's (and his family's) interest to keep his personal life out of the public eye. And his profession as a golfer does not require him to use his family in any way to promote himself. He has never, to my knowledge, tried to tell people that he's a model of moral values and has never tried to seek a position in which he would have power and influence over other people's lives. As far as I know, his reputation is simply built upon the fact that he is an exceptional golfer and a quietly polite competitor on the golf course. Personally, I don't think what he does in a bedroom with his wife or behind his wife's back is anybody's business except his wife and the women he has involved himself with. Moreover, I think what is currently happening -- with nine women coming forward -- has become a kind of feeding frenzy, with at least two of those women making multi-million dollar deals for their tell-all stories. Tiger himself, and his family, will only be hurt by it.
Sarah is a different commodity. Her website calls her "Alaska's Joan of Arc". She preaches family values, mentions God rather frequently, and, in her desire to win voter approval for a job of public responsibilty, quite frequently mentions her Down Syndrome baby and her motherhood as part of the package she is selling to garner votes and public trust.
When someone preaches, as she does, people look at the personal life of the preacher to see how well it reflects the values that are being preached. In her case, the first thing that was noticed was that she was a new mother of a handicapped child seeking a job that would allow her very little time to be with her baby -- a baby that was going to need exceptional personal attention, bonding, and environmental stimulation. Then they noticed that her teenage daughter was pregnant -- a reflection, some said, of the fact that Sarah had not put her own time priorities in the right place -- or at least not in the way that someone promoting "family values" might think is right-- in terms of raising a teenage daughter and supervising her behavior. And then there was the issue of the exorbitant Neiman Marcus bill for clothing for the entire family, including silk underwear -- by a woman who was claiming that she was budget conscious. It was not the picture of someone whom I would entrust with public funds, anyway.
Those observations were all relevant to the job she was seeking; when she put herself forward for the position, she was opening up the doors for family scrutiny, or at least as it pertained to how well she handled her job as mother in the family. Mentioning God a lot opened up the doors wider -- people always look for the hypocrisy angle.
Now all that was fair game, I think.
Then, after the lost election, things seemed to unravel on the home front as far as Levi Johnson was concerned, anyway. I don't know what happened there, but whatever it was, Levi went off on his own to make a name for himself, and part of that was to push Sarah under a bus. No doubt the media helped that along, offering him big bucks for dirt he might dish out about her. But he wasn't alone -- there were all those ethics complaints and McCain's staffers dishing out dirt as well.
I might have felt sorry for her at that point, but when I saw how she was continuing to invite the attention by going to the media and fanning all the controversies with her feisty comments, long after she had lost the election, and then garnering public support for her role as victim, I saw her actively seeking to gain advantages from keeping her name in the media, no matter what the topic was. The more she could claim she was being victimized, the more dirt came in, and she just kept fanning the flames like in a reality show. For all I know, everything is staged, and I don't see her actually suffering any time soon. Simply telling us that she feels victimized just seems hollow to me.
Now, quite frankly, I have not kept abreast of anything that Levi has said about the family which would cause her family any significant degree of discomfort. Any fool can see that Levi can't be trusted to tell the truth, and he is easily discredited, just like Jon and Kate. It is all show. But if you do know something that is likely to cause significant harm to her family, just let me know, and I will consider it.
In contrast to Sarah's using this and fanning it, though, Tiger Woods has clammed up and asked for privacy.
Consequently, I would be most inclined to give it to him if I could, but of course, I cannot.
Does that make more sense?
Do you see the difference?
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12-08-2009 07:08 AM - edited 12-08-2009 02:56 PM
Adelle wrote:
When you write “the public pays to enjoy scandal and Sarah gets her piece of the pie” … I’m not sure what you’re basing that on. I know this is anecdotal, but the behavior on this B&N thread alone would seem to undercut that theory. The moderators went to the trouble of postponing the discussion so that Palin … let’s use the word “critics” … wouldn’t have to BUY the book...lest Sarah Palin profit.
You are wrong. You are wrong. And you are, I will assert again, strenuously, wrong.
The discussion was postponed by nothing more nefarious than my inability to get a book from a publisher on a brisk schedule and then my inability to read it really quickly. Anyone who's been a party to this forum for more than a few months has remembered my hassles with publisher copies... some of which have delayed my saying anything for weeks. Maybe they think I'm slack.
In short: the discussion was not postponed by any agency.
Also: I'm sure there's some crepuscular disaffection about how this discussion MUST HATE SARAH PALIN because I recommended people who didn't care for her to check out her book from the library. Now, that was a stupid thing for me to do, because you should all buy books constantly, from Barnes & Noble. But at the same time you could buy all of Barack Obama's books that were never promoted here and never given a shining spot and never even considered. I don't want to read them anyway. The point here is that you should buy our books, regardless. (Heh.)
Absent, of course, from the castigation of the conduct of this forum or the topics chosen is the fact that this forum has never read nor endorsed a Democrat's memoir. No one has been forced to read anything by any Democrat. Since no books by them were the subject of a monthly discussion, no one was asked to buy them; nor was anyone told that they could not refrain from buying them, I think you don't have a comparative issue that you could complain about at all.
Edit: thank you, Jon (see below). My mistake. Had I been around then, I absolutely guarantee that I would be making the same caveats. This is why I prefer biography to autobiography and history to current events stuff: anyone, regardless of their take on the issue, can buy a book and not have to worry about filling the war chest of a hated opposition or lining the pockets of interests they may not respect, because there's a very slim chance the academic has that influence. I would have told those opposed to Obama's candidacy to please take whatever extra time they needed to track a copy of his book down, too, because being willing and able to talk about the book is the bigger issue.
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12-08-2009 09:34 AM - edited 12-08-2009 09:41 AM
Actually, the first two books that were "featured reads" in this forum were the memoirs of Barack Obama and John McCaine. That was before you were hired though so obviously you didn't know that!
However I can assure everyone that the Palin discussion was not delayed for any political reason, it just took time to get the book.
More to the point, several of the discussions in this board have started late - often later than the Palin one - so assuming it was "postponed" for some political reason strikes me as rather silly.
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12-08-2009 10:46 AM - edited 12-08-2009 11:14 AM
TiggerBear wrote:
debbook wrote:
TiggerBear wrote (edited):
... During the past election run, when she was stumping, speaking, ect.. for the McCain/Palin ticket. Did any of you go see her speak? Not speeches you read, listened to a taping, or watched a video of; but one's in which you were actually there yourself in the room while she was speaking.
I live in NY. Republican presidential candidates never come to NY during campaign time. (not cunting the convention obviously)
Ok I'll wait for a few more responses.
I did. And it puts her in a distinct perspective.
Tigger -- no, I did not attend a federal election rally or event. I don't believe I ever have, although I certainly have at the local and state political level, but even there, not recently. A more and more frequent tool here is conference calls, and I find even them to provide valuable insights -- as much about fellow voters/citizens as about the official -- I don't recall one by a candidate.
I do know that there is often a different excitement and interaction with a "real" crowd than can be captured by the media, so I look forward to your comments. One also has a very different read of the people who gather, in my experience, at least.
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12-08-2009 03:39 PM
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I do think the ability to garner money support is as much a part of the election process in the United States as is garnering votes, for better and for worse. I don't think we give that as much attention as citizens as we probably ought and that the media is probably "paid" to cushion the attention received.
Yes, this is an issue that really bothers me. It is especially relevant during the primaries, it seems, where the field of candidates tends to shrink as they run out of money. It should be a matter of who is best for the job, not who has or can raise the most money. It is clear that some candidates drop out just because they know that they cannot compete on a financial level.
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12-08-2009 09:42 PM
Psychee, you wrote, "Do you see the difference?"
Me, laughing. Of course I see a difference. And my interpretation still comes out in favor of Palin and yours comes out in favor of Mr. Woods. Isn't it fascinating to try to see how other people think? I appreciate the effort you put into your post, but it moves me from my position not at all. Apparently, my thoughts expressed to you had just as much influence.
I think we are good examples of how people are.
Regarding what you said of Mr. Woods and the public,...just briefly, I caught a bit of the Today Show this morning. Matt Lauer was doing a piece on how, to some degree, companies endorsed Tiger Woods based on his clean image. And Tiger Woods is shown making statements in his advertising about how having a family really changed him....made him think about what was important.
I agree with you tht whatever happens behind closed doors in the Woods household...unless there is violence involved...should remain between the two of them. i would have had more respect for what's his name if he had kept his privated relationship with Briston Palin private. But, of course, there are no laws against selling one's story. Perhaps down the road, Mrs. Woods will sell her story.
On the other hand, what has come out about Tiger Woods...the publicity I've seen has mostly concerened what happened on a street with the police involved. The Today show reported that the blood work report the police got back indicate that there was alcohol and pain medications involved. Other publicity has concerned what happened between Tiger Woods and other women. Like you, I would have preferred they had kept their affairs with Mr. Woods. private. I put them in the same category as Levi J. Or that guy who sold his story concerning his relationship with Princess Dianna.
Tiger Woods and his family have undoubtedly been hurt. His decision to break his marriage vows is what initiated that hurt. The only positive thing I can see in the situation is that now Mrs. Woods knows about her husband and won't be living a lie with him. They break up or they'll decide to try to mend their marriage.
As to Sarah Palin's movitves in writing her book, I can only guess. I would guess that she wrote it in part for the money. Like Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Bob Dole, etc., etc. And I would guess she wrote it in part to stand up for herself and present her side of the story.
That's human nature, I think. If you feel someone has wronged you or misrepresented you, one probably SHOULD present one's own case. One jumps up and says, "You are wrong. You are wrong. You are wrong." Thanks, Monty. I couldn't resist. But that IS how people are. OK, we don't usually SAY "you are wrong," but we say, "look at this, look at this, look at this. Change your mind!"
Look and me and Psychee here. That's pretty much what we've done.
Look, read the book if you've a mind to. Palin addresses a number of issues. Granted, just because she says, "It happend this way," doesn't necessarily mean it did. By the same token, just because a number of people repeat stuff about Palin doesn't make that true either. Just because Psychee says something, or I say something doesn't mean it's true. I know I've tried googling information in attempts to determine who's lying, who's shading the truth, and what the facts are when not taken out of context. You've probably done the same.
Anyway, Psychee, thanks for the backandforth. I appreciate that you have point of view. I just don't agree with it.
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12-08-2009 09:55 PM
Crepuscular. lol. I had to look it up! I like to read during the day, but I ALWAYS prefer to write after the sun goes down.
Monty, it is the Christmas Season and you were so very adamant in your objections. I shall take you at face value.
I have deleted my lengthy rebuttal...which was quite excellent.
Furthermore, I shall agree with you that current history discussions take place in a challenging milieu.
Sincerely, I hope you and the other readers have an enjoyable discussion. I had moved my schedule around to read Going Rogue early in the month. The BN site DID say that the December discussion would start Monday November 30. And now I've moved on to other books.
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12-08-2009 11:07 PM
Adelle wrote, in part:
Anyway, Psychee, thanks for the backandforth. I appreciate that you have point of view. I just don't agree with it.
No problem adelle. Thanks back at you.
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12-09-2009 10:55 AM
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12-09-2009 12:24 PM
dulcinea3 wrote:
Peppermill wrote:
I do think the ability to garner money support is as much a part of the election process in the United States as is garnering votes, for better and for worse. I don't think we give that as much attention as citizens as we probably ought and that the media is probably "paid" to cushion the attention received.
Yes, this is an issue that really bothers me. It is especially relevant during the primaries, it seems, where the field of candidates tends to shrink as they run out of money. It should be a matter of who is best for the job, not who has or can raise the most money. It is clear that some candidates drop out just because they know that they cannot compete on a financial level.
You know, I'm probably going to be lambasted for this - I can see it already, but I'm on the fence, as usual, about this issue.
I go back to what I said earlier about what really makes a politician successful: his or her ability win over people. Well, if you can't raise money, maybe you aren't going to be very successful influencing "hearts and minds." Of course, there are more sinister perspectives on the money issue and I'm aware of them, but I'm just saying... And a successful politician does not immediately equate to a leader doing what's best for the people he or she serves.
Ruth W.
Grand Rapids, MI
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12-09-2009 12:39 PM - edited 12-09-2009 12:46 PM
basson_mommy12 wrote:
dulcinea3 wrote:
Peppermill wrote:
I do think the ability to garner money support is as much a part of the election process in the United States as is garnering votes, for better and for worse. I don't think we give that as much attention as citizens as we probably ought and that the media is probably "paid" to cushion the attention received.
Yes, this is an issue that really bothers me. It is especially relevant during the primaries, it seems, where the field of candidates tends to shrink as they run out of money. It should be a matter of who is best for the job, not who has or can raise the most money. It is clear that some candidates drop out just because they know that they cannot compete on a financial level.
You know, I'm probably going to be lambasted for this - I can see it already, but I'm on the fence, as usual, about this issue.I go back to what I said earlier about what really makes a politician successful: his or her ability win over people. Well, if you can't raise money, maybe you aren't going to be very successful influencing "hearts and minds." Of course, there are more sinister perspectives on the money issue and I'm aware of them, but I'm just saying... And a successful politician does not immediately equate to a leader doing what's best for the people he or she serves.
Ruth, I do agree with you up to a point about a candidate's success in raising money being partly an indication of how they have won people over. However, at the same time, I think there is a tendency on the part of many people to contribute, if they are going to contribute at all, to a candidate with a high level of name-recognition. And the ones with the most recognition are often those who have started out with enough money to buy airtime so that people see them and know who they are. If a candidate starts out with little money and can't afford airtime so few people know them outside of the area that they come from, they are in a vicious circle where few people will contribute, so they still can't afford to increase their recognition, etc. Today, with the Internet, some savvy candidates can exploit that to an extent, but I still think that the ones who are all over the TV are the ones that people will tend to gravitate to.
And I also think that a candidate's personal wealth plays into this a great deal. Look at Kerry, Romney, Gore, etc. They had an advantage from the start and could buy the publicity that got the ball rolling (whether or not they were ultimately successful). I am sure I have heard repeatedly of candidates dropping out of primary races because they just couldn't compete on that level.
As for Levi Johnston, I think he was used by Sarah Palin and this is the result. Of course, I cannot really know the situation, but I am under the impression that there were no plans for he and Bristol to marry prior to her pregnancy becoming common knowledge during the campaign. Once it came out, in order to enforce the family values issue, it was necessary for Palin to bring him into the family circle and trot him out at events as her daughter's fiance - "Yes, my teenaged daughter had unprotected sex and got pregnant, but see - they're doing the right and honorable thing!" I wondered at the time why, if family values were so important, he and Bristol did not marry right away and have their baby born in wedlock. I was cynical enough to think that if McCain lost the election, the marriage would never take place, and he would be discarded. I think he is a publicity-hound and have little sympathy or respect for what he has been doing, but I think this is a monster that Palin herself (an even bigger publicity-hound who rarely scruples at exploiting her family for her own purposes) created.
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