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I always thought there had been some socialist thought, and maybe communist, that could be better represented by a third party. The Republican and Democrat parties don't always represent "socialist" objectives as well as they could, that is, objectives become either "watered down" or lost- if you take the national healthcare as an example. "Occupy wall street" could be a socialist party for example, and both the Republican and Democratic parties have, at one time or another, been accused of favoring big business. In my opinion, often the issue in politics is about a third party that never formed, and rarely do political discussions devote a part of the discussion to a third party. Maybe too destabilizing? What do you think?

 

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Re: Socialist Party

There is a Socialist Party USA, as well as Socialist Workers Party (Trotskyist) and Communist Party USA. There was a party that fielded a candidate for president in 2008, Party for Socialism and Liberation. To the best of my knowledge, none of these has every managed any significant vote total, not even coming close to managing to compete with the Libertarians.
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MacMcK1957 wrote:
There is a Socialist Party USA, as well as Socialist Workers Party (Trotskyist) and Communist Party USA. There was a party that fielded a candidate for president in 2008, Party for Socialism and Liberation. To the best of my knowledge, none of these has every managed any significant vote total, not even coming close to managing to compete with the Libertarians.

Did parties above ever take positions on "national healthcare" or the "occupied wall street movement"? It may be that people lacked information about them and could not assemble more politically effective parties. And it could also be that the aforementioned parties simply lacked money, and socialist or communist objectives would be then be taken by either the republican and democratic party for a price(i.e. there might be some bargaining to push a socialist objectives)

 

Moreover, Communism and Socialism are dirty word in American politics, anyway, and you could attribute their lack of success in our political system for that reason. Maybe all the parties could assemble under the occupied wall street party for example? In general, there has been socialist thinking  as well as "socialist acts" passed by congress throughout our history, but no official "socialist party." And it might have something to do with a corporate dominance which, I think, the Occupied Wall Street movement rallies against- but it's hard to say- it seems to lack focus....

 

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Re: Socialist Party

"Occupied Wall Street"?  You might want to learn its name before suggesting people rally behind it.

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Oh, excuse me- "Occupy Wall Street" which is becoming "Once Occupied Wall Street", so I hear. So once they're removed- I don't want any complaints about how big businesses are running things in our country. And I have to make a correction- there has been no prominent sociaist party- but maybe an official socialist party.

 

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Regardless of the name, OWS never gathered the popular support they hoped for, largely due to lack of a coherent agenda.  It's very clear what they're against; what they're for is a lot more cloudy.

 

Although there is widespread support for government supplying certain services (education, police, roads, defense) you won't find large numbers of people supporting a socialist agenda in general under any banner (regardless of how one party attempts to label another) and the existing socialist parties continue to be pretty much on the fringe.

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Well, I will get myself into trouble if I use the word "socialism" without giving an adequate definition. But I usually think of a socialist agenda as an agenda which contains more humanitarian objectives, and a capitalist agenda as an agenda which contains more business or profit-oriented objectives. And I think the current political parties, Democrat and Republican, represent the socialist and capitalist agendas respectively, to a certain degree. But I don't see the two terms capitalism and socialism on oposites ends of a continuum, if you will. In fact, I think people usually think of communism and capitalism as polar opposites. I also didn't think OWS was very clear in either direction, but if I could make a general assessment on what it was about, it would be about or against the dominanation of a few corporations (i.e. on wall street, but not necessarily?) over other companies, or even the government- but I'm not sure. And there has been, throughout American history and starting at the very beginning of our country, a concern over too much power in the hands of "a few", or a concern over big businesses overrunning government, and so the "American people" are an attempt to address these concerns through the formation of a system of checks and balances (i.e. our government), and through the passage of acts which bust corporate monopolies- just to mention a couple of examples. But have they been entirely successful? And could they better achieve a decentralization of power through a third party, that is when they need to achieve it? Can a third party be formed at all? I also know about this view, and I hope it isn't an increasing view of our government, that government is simply to be a "service provider"- to me, this was a view that was devised by business for business, anyway. There are certain beliefs and principles (as I mentioned, separation of power) that underly the foundation of our government, and so, to view our government as simply a service provider means that we're through- we have to move on to something else- which maybe we do, given the OWS movement and it's fizzle into political oblivion- dare I say it.... Chad PS- It's that ever-snarling bald eagle that I don't think will ever go away- in fact, I think the bald eagle is off the endangered list, but now a group of Native Americans want to continue ancient rutuals by killing a few, I hear...
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I meant to break up the above in paragraphs-sorry. The B&N website is not iPad friendly. Just to recap- decentralization of power, anti-tyranny, among other things is what the U.S. is about- it continues to struggle and is sometimes viewed as tyrannical itself or bull&$/@!? as well- lol. Chad