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Re: Whole Book Discussion: Forgiving Judith

All--

I don't think Miriam needs to forgive Judith.

The ladies on The View had a discussion earlier this week about who to be madder at if the guy screwed around--the man or the woman? Joy said blame the woman because the man didn't know any better, but Elisabeth put the blame on the man.

The man who screwed around is to blame. So Judith doesn't need forgiving. And I also agree, Judith did Miriam a favor and it ended up giving her a better life. I believe this: "Things have a way of working out."

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Mair
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KathyS
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Re: Whole Book Discussion: Forgiving Judith

Mair, this song just POPped into my head! High Hopes!


Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around

Just what makes that little old ant
Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, can't
Move a rubber tree plant

But he's got high hopes, he's got high hopes
He's got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your gettin low
stead of lettin go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

When troubles call, and your backs to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall

Once there was a silly old ram
Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin that dam

cause he had high hopes, he had high hopes
He had high apple pie, in the sky hopes

So any time your feelin bad
stead of feelin sad
Just remember that ram
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam

All problems just a toy balloon
They'll be bursted soon
They're just bound to go pop!
Oops there goes another problem kerplop!
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Re: Marianne?

M m m m m m Mair, you'll always be to Me!

K.
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Re: Marianne?



KathyS wrote:
M m m m m m Mair, you'll always be to Me!

K.




And you'll always be Kathy to me! LOL!
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High Hopes

KathyS--

I love that song. Sometimes I sing a little bit of it to myself.

Later--

Mair
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Re: High Hopes

Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.


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Re: High Hopes



dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.





We Sure do! I will section that again and again!
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dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.


Amen to friends! They are often your famiy. And you do allow them the right to temper your judgments with good advice that may differ from yours, but you know they're not being judgmental of you, they're just being a good caring friend looking out for you when at times you may be headed down a dangerous path, emotionally or otherwise. Actually, sometimes, I think we allow our friends more freedom to speak to us on such matters than we do our families. I love my friends, even when we are mad at each other at times lol :smileywink:.
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Re: High Hopes



dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




You bet we all need friends. They are my mainstay, even if they live 1,000 miles away. Friends give us feedback based on how well they know us. When I notice a trend in what friends are saying to me, I pay attention.

Janet from Central, FL
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homereader wrote:


dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




You bet we all need friends. They are my mainstay, even if they live 1,000 miles away. Friends give us feedback based on how well they know us. When I notice a trend in what friends are saying to me, I pay attention.

Janet from Central, FL




Yes, friends anyway you get them, are an absoletely an asset. I love my on line friends, I hope some day we can meet but they are a joy to me now. They fill up so many hours of fun and reading and having a ball. We share so much information to fill a stadium. I have four or five close friends that I go out with and such but then I wouldn't feel fulfilled without my online pals. I have a online friend in Richmond, that I have kep t up with since the first Dot Frank book where we met. We have met alot in Charlottesville, that is half way for both of us. We share all the hardships we indure and lots of joys. I would not ever want to end this friendship or any others I have made online. They are quite precious.
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Re: High Hopes


dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.
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Wrighty wrote:

dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.


That really showed some personal growth!
Vivian
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vivico1 wrote:

Wrighty wrote:

dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.


That really showed some personal growth!




It's a good thing it was a book because Judith got a taste of what she deserved and so did Charles. They needed to be embarrassed in public. Dot was too nice to them though for all they had put Miriam through. ( It's those southern manners Dot! :smileyhappy: )I did like the phone conversation on pg 328-329. Go Miriam!
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Wrighty wrote:

dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.




Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe
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kiakar wrote:


Wrighty wrote:

dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.




Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe


Blow her face off??? MAN you do have a dark side kiakar lol. geessh! :smileywink: j/k....but i will be keeping an eye on you!
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Re: High Hopes



vivico1 wrote:

kiakar wrote:


Wrighty wrote:

dotfrank wrote:
Miriram/Mellie was confused. No reason to forgive Judith - she was a terrible person! And she had NOT become what she despised most. Miriam's newly opened heart is going to take some adjusting to for her. She loves sweeping gestures - forgive everyone! Condemn everyone! Love everyone! Well, Miss Mellie shoulda figured it would be a one day, one incident at a time kinda thing. But that's why she has Kevin, Harrison and her mom - to temper her decisions. WE need friends. We all do.




Miriam was very gracious to Judith considering all of the crap she went through during the wedding. Judith was very selfish as usual but Miriam put her son's needs first and worked hard to make it a wonderful occasion. That would have been so hard to do.




Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe


Blow her face off??? MAN you do have a dark side kiakar lol. geessh! :smileywink: j/k....but i will be keeping an eye on you!




Yea; Viv, but watch out for your own bright lights! hehehehe
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[ Edited ]

vivico1 wrote:

kiakar wrote:
Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe


Blow her face off??? MAN you do have a dark side kiakar lol. geessh! :smileywink: j/k....but i will be keeping an eye on you!


No kidding! That's scary Kiakar but I know it must be the late hour because you really have a heart of "gold". :smileyhappy:

Message Edited by Wrighty on 07-25-2007 02:17 AM
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Re: High Hopes


Wrighty wrote:

vivico1 wrote:

kiakar wrote:
Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe


Blow her face off??? MAN you do have a dark side kiakar lol. geessh! :smileywink: j/k....but i will be keeping an eye on you!


No kidding! That's scary Kiakar but I know it must be the late hour because you really have a heart of "gold". :smileyhappy:

Message Edited by Wrighty on 07-25-2007 02:17 AM


center filled too huh wrighty hehe :smileywink:
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Re: High Hopes



Wrighty wrote:

vivico1 wrote:

kiakar wrote:
Yes, I was certainly saying to myself, " Tell the creep to go blow her face off) I know, terrible me. hehehe


Blow her face off??? MAN you do have a dark side kiakar lol. geessh! :smileywink: j/k....but i will be keeping an eye on you!


No kidding! That's scary Kiakar but I know it must be the late hour because you really have a heart of "gold". :smileyhappy:

Message Edited by Wrighty on 07-25-2007 02:17 AM




Well, you know, Wrighty, you know what our buddy says about me; "I have a dark side" hehehehe
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Re: High Hopes

I thought Miriam was very gracious to Judith at the wedding, and that if MY family had been there, that woman wouldn't have made it out the door. My sisters would have vivisected her!
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