08-10-2007 01:08 PM - edited 08-10-2007 01:09 PM
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Message Edited by Amanda_R on 08-10-2007 12:09 PM
08-23-2007 01:27 AM
08-23-2007 11:04 PM
Exactly – the monsters in this saga aren't necessarily vampires and werewolve but evil people, plain and simple. I think that's a huge theme throughout – age, race, sexual orientation, religion, economic class, human or nonhuman – none of that should matter. Everyone ideally deserves to be judged by their own actions and nothing more. Bella doesn't care if Jacob is a werewolf or Edward is a vampire and her complete lack of prejudice is something to be commended. (I'm getting off my soapbox now...)
08-24-2007 07:48 PM
Who in Eclipse acted most like a monster? Bella, Jacob, or Edward.
Bella- With kissing Jacob, and some thinking that she is constantly "toying" with Edward and Jacob's feelings.
Edward- In the beginning of Eclipse, he seemed quite controlling. Taking the battery out of Bella's truck when she wanted to go see Jake.
Jake- He was actually laughing after Bella punches him (after he kisses her against her will)
So who would be the real monster in this novel?
08-24-2007 10:46 PM
I don't think any of them are monsters – I think Stephenie was doing some subtle social commentary here. Just because society deems something "monstrous" – vampires, werewolves, etc. – it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. The real monsters in Eclipse are Victoria and her cadre – and even they can be given some leeway because they didn't ask to become vamps, it was forced upon them. I like to think that one of the overriding themes is about judging people for what is inside them, not by outward appearance.
08-29-2007 09:37 PM
08-30-2007 11:00 AM
I don't think it's about control. Personally, monsters are those who *intentionally* hurt people for the sole purpose of hurting them (not self defense, etc). Whether they are malicious or indifferent, it doesn't matter.
Those that do not have control--is it their fault? Their intent isn't clear because they aren't rationally thinking about it.
In this case, I don't think the werewolves of the Cullen family are monsters, even though they view themselves as such. Most of their intentions are good and they are all basically good inside, "monster" or not.
I agree--Victoria was definitely a monster--but I feel a little pity for her. She definitely was a bad person to begin with (with malicious intent on hurting them while James as still around), but now she just wants revenge on those who killed her mate.
Think of it this way: if someone killed Bella, I'm sure Edward (or Jacob for that matter) would kill that person. I guess that makes them a justified monster for that instance? Hehe.