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06-02-2008 04:31 PM
GnANorman wrote:I think with Kim's parents both working, and the lack of attention given her, that she naturally migrated to her friends.
I didn't really see a lack of attention. I saw a teenaged girl who was trying to break the bonds of childhood and establish her independence. Therefore she had retreated a bit from her family. Teenagers are always east to be close to, no matter how hard you try. Plus they never tell their parents everything, that's part of the independence thing. Jo
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06-02-2008 04:33 PM
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06-02-2008 04:36 PM
kiakar wrote:
I can't see that this family was dysfunctional. Maybe things have changed in families over the many years I raised my daughters but I do not think I would call this family dysfunctional at all. They loved together, played together. Times do change and the changes in this story was typical of working mom and working dad and children driving and so forth that can easily go wrong in a child's life but Dysfunctional NO,I will have to disagree.
I don't think this family was dysfunctional either. Dysfunctional is a too commonly used term for families with normal problems. However, I do think that the police's hands are tied in this matter. If someone doesn't want to be found it's their RIGHT to not be found and the police can't violate it. We've tied our own hands with too many RIGHTS! Ok, I'm off my soapbox now. Jo
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06-02-2008 05:26 PM
After Kim is found missing I thought it was strange that Lindsay is upstairs in her room, until I remembered feeling like an outcast and from the description in the book she's a geeky, pimply girl who feels out of place. I do agree with several other readers that it was good of Kim to take Lindsay driving.
I haven't finished the book so I don't know what happens to Kim, but from the initial reading of the first chapter I have no clue what happened to her. If she had made it to work then maybe I would have thought that some one abducted her from there, but she obviously didn't make it to work.
The one thing that I wanted to do in the early chapters was to race ahead and find out just what the "secret" was that her friends were talking about and I haven't met Wooze yet.
I thought for the most part her friends reactions were genuine, I liked how they all came and pulled together with the family. I liked J.P.'s actions in these early chapters, I like how he explains to the readers his relationship with Kim.
So far I'm having a hard time putting the book down, it's a terrible subject by Mr. O'Nan is very eloquent in his re-telling of the story.
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06-02-2008 05:53 PM
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06-02-2008 05:57 PM
Jo6353 wrote:
kiakar wrote:
I can't see that this family was dysfunctional. Maybe things have changed in families over the many years I raised my daughters but I do not think I would call this family dysfunctional at all. They loved together, played together. Times do change and the changes in this story was typical of working mom and working dad and children driving and so forth that can easily go wrong in a child's life but Dysfunctional NO,I will have to disagree.
I don't think this family was dysfunctional either. Dysfunctional is a too commonly used term for families with normal problems. Jo
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06-02-2008 06:07 PM
I'm intrigued by this response, noannie. What about Fran's reaction seemed off to you? I find myself surprised by her reaction, too -- but mainly by how well she is able to pull it together. I get the impression she is finding emotional resources she never knew she had.
noannie wrote:
I thought the time that the sisters spent together was very touching, now that Kim has disappeared. She seems to be a very normal teenager with her close friends, but she is keeping secrets from her family. I found it hard to connect with the mother, maybe because this book is written by a man. I didn't feel she grieved the way a normal mother would if her daughter disappeared without a trace. Did anyone else feel this disconnect or is it just me?noannie
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06-02-2008 06:09 PM
vivico1 wrote:
... Kim tho is also just an average kid, well in some ways, I take that back and say, I know her activities are common, but I really hate to think of them as the average, the norm. Not all kids are into drinking, drugs, sex. But she is average in the sense that NO parent or adult really knows all a kid is into. ...
boo27 wrote:
... Stewart O'Nan has done such a wonderful job of introducing the reader to the characters and making them so relatable that I feel like I am going through the agony with them.
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I think the Larsen family seems pretty normal. There are hints however, of underlying tensions, i.e. the numerous references to Fran's drinking and Lindsay realizing how serious Kim's disapperance is since her parents are working together as a team. Which leads me to think that its not normal practice in that house, so I am wondering how good of a relationship Fran and Ed have...
I have to agree with vivico1 on this one, though I don't mean to imply that vivico1 has entirely the same feelings that I am going to spew. I don't think that being involved with drugs, drinking alcohol (which people tend to forget is also a drug), and sex are normal activities for teenagers. I feel as though it is becoming more common and, dare I say it, acceptable, because more and more people feel as though these actions are something that all teenagers "experiment" with. I find the notion of these actions, especially the use of drugs and the social perception of drinking alcohol as "hip" or "cool" (even amongst adults), to be wholly disconcerting.
Unlike boo27, I am having a hard time relating to the characters. I AM, in fact, enjoying Mr. O'Nan's writing style, and the idea of unfurling the plot indirectly. I am unsure of why the characters have evoked so little emotional investment from me. As a teen, I was much the opposite of Kim, and though I also have a younger sister and both of my parents worked, my family situation felt greatly different from the one portrayed in this novel. The parts that I connected to the most were the sections where the characters are directly dealing with their loss. On page 62, J.P. is thinking about his love for Kim and "His thoughts had gone too far, and he focused on a cloud about to cover the sun." Small phrases showing the magnitude of possibly losing someone you care deeply about are what impacted me emotionally. Any of us who have lost someone very close to us knows these feelings, and Mr. O'Nan brings them fully to life with these moments. I remember trying to distract myself when the pain of loss was too hard to bear, as J.P. does here. How beautifully sad.
As boo27 has brought our attention to, there do seem to be quite a few areas of tension in the Larsen household. I found this idea nicely illustrated when Ed thinks about Fran, and that "In the basic emotional math of their marriage, he owed her." (p. 58) This familial tension is another sad undercurrent to the story, and one that I hope will lessen as the plot progresses. Tragedy (like the loss of a loved one) has been known to strengthen, or dissolve, already fragile bonds. I have a feeling there may not be a happy ending here, and hope that at least the family will come away with something positive. (always the optimist)
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06-02-2008 06:12 PM
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06-02-2008 06:16 PM
KxBurns wrote:
Jo6353 wrote:
kiakar wrote:
I can't see that this family was dysfunctional. Maybe things have changed in families over the many years I raised my daughters but I do not think I would call this family dysfunctional at all. They loved together, played together. Times do change and the changes in this story was typical of working mom and working dad and children driving and so forth that can easily go wrong in a child's life but Dysfunctional NO,I will have to disagree.
I don't think this family was dysfunctional either. Dysfunctional is a too commonly used term for families with normal problems. JoI agree -- I think the family is imperfect but within the realm of a typical family. They seem pretty distant from each other in a way that I imagine to be pretty common in this day and age. As boo27 points out, there are some issues lurking just below the surface.In my opinion, one of the strengths of these early chapters is meeting each family member as an individual and watching them struggle with their shortcomings in the face of this tremendous crisis. It will be interesting to see if these issues recede or become more pronounced as the family is exposed to additional strain. My sympathy for the family makes me hope it is the former.
Here, here!
Karen,
I agree with you about your comment on the strengths in the early chapters. No need to reiterate, you stated it perfectly.
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06-02-2008 06:23 PM
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06-02-2008 06:25 PM
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06-02-2008 06:50 PM
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06-02-2008 07:11 PM
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06-02-2008 07:34 PM
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06-02-2008 07:50 PM
I was a bit bothered by the fact that the media appearances became so formulized and were altered to create the "proper" reaction in the general public. While I recognize that there is truth in this portrayal, it does not speak well for us as human beings that we need to be manipulated by the media in order to "feel" a reaction that will hold our interest and prompt participation. It seemed to become a numbers game, like so many other things in our lives: at once using and denying the personal aspects of this tragedy.
gringorn wrote:I felt that Fran was acting as a loving mother. I don't know if any of you saw the interview I am thinking of, but that little girl who disappeared from the hotel in Portugal? Anyway, her mother in an interview talked about being told in the beginning to stay calm on camera and in interviews and that now, months later, people think she didn't care. Anyway, Fran followed instructions and used her terror to help her stay active.
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06-02-2008 07:56 PM
I know that this book is about a very dark subject, but this book was a very tough read for me in general. From the very first chapter, I felt as though I was being dragged into a brooding, dark almost inescapable downward spiral - which kind of colored the rest of the story for me.
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06-02-2008 08:01 PM
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06-02-2008 08:09 PM
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