- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Mark Thread as New
- Mark Thread as Read
- Float this Thread to the Top
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 10:10 AM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 10:24 AM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 10:46 AM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 10:58 AM
Jeanie0522 wrote:I thought Fran seemed very "needy" before Kim went missing. She drank a bottle of wine every evening and it was kind of Ed's job to look the other way and take care of things. She certainly became more self sufficient and dependable after Kim disappeared, but she was still at times self centered. Throughout the book, I always had the feeling that Fran thought more about how this whole thing was effecting her rather than her daughter that was missing and her daughter that was alive and hurting. There was also a time near the beginning when Fran admitted to herself that she was jealous that Ed was spending so much time looking for their missing daughter rather than spending the time with her. I don't think Fran was a bad person by any means, I just felt she didn't have very good coping skills and leaned too much on Ed. Lindsey also sufferred because of Fran's focus on herself.The strange thing that I thought happened to Fran's character was that she became a stronger person after Kim's death while Ed (who would have been viewed as the stronger person before the tragedy) became more lost and somewhat helpless.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 11:01 AM
"A book is like a garden carried in the pocket." Chinese Proverb
My blog: http://bookworm56.blogspot.com
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 12:25 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 12:51 PM
I agree with the comments that have noted the reversal of roles of husband and wife which this tragedy brought on.
DSaff wrote:Fran seemed to be a "settled" mom - husband, home, children, job, etc. She seemed content. Then her daughter came up missing and her world fell apart. Like her husband, I think Fran started running on adrenaline, doing anything she could think of to find Kim. The woman who didn't like to be in the lime-light was suddenly the family spokesperson ("Talent" chapter). I think the interviews and organizational tasks gave her a reason to get up and get going everyday. As I read her reactions, they seemed very plausible to me, very understandable.I would put organizational skills as a strength for Fran. One of the weaknesses I see is that she seems to look past, or not see, the pain Lindsey is feeling. Consumed by her own grief, I think Fran is missing clues from her husband and daughter. Hopefully that will change as the book progresses. But, I also think that this is a normal reaction to news of a missing child.
I think, therefore I drive people nuts.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 12:54 PM
I think, therefore I drive people nuts.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 01:15 PM
Everyman wrote:
I agree with all those who saw this process, tragic as it was, as the making of a more mature Fran, one whom circumstances dragged out of her easy life shell. She is the one who, when the going got tough, got going, while Ed was the one who retreated.
I agree with the comments that have noted the reversal of roles of husband and wife which this tragedy brought on.
DSaff wrote:Fran seemed to be a "settled" mom - husband, home, children, job, etc. She seemed content. Then her daughter came up missing and her world fell apart. Like her husband, I think Fran started running on adrenaline, doing anything she could think of to find Kim. The woman who didn't like to be in the lime-light was suddenly the family spokesperson ("Talent" chapter). I think the interviews and organizational tasks gave her a reason to get up and get going everyday. As I read her reactions, they seemed very plausible to me, very understandable.I would put organizational skills as a strength for Fran. One of the weaknesses I see is that she seems to look past, or not see, the pain Lindsey is feeling. Consumed by her own grief, I think Fran is missing clues from her husband and daughter. Hopefully that will change as the book progresses. But, I also think that this is a normal reaction to news of a missing child.
While you make some good points, let's not put Fran up too high on the pedestal. She did turn to medication in order to sleep, and she conked out pretty early in the evenings. Ed resisted this path for quite some time although he didn't handle things well either.
I also didn't like the way that she smothered Lindsay after Kim's disappearance.
Ultimately we see in great detail how two flawed people (in Fran and Ed) deal with a tragic situation. It's easy to point these out in a book, but I think that it would be difficult to keep from showing cracks of some sort in a similar situation.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 01:33 PM
Everyman wrote:
While there isn't (yet?) a thread for her, Lindsay is the one I feel sorriest for. Not only is she the closest, certainly in age and I think also emotionally, to Kim, but her life to come is going to be much more circumscribed than Kim's ever was. As the only remaining child, she is going to be mother-henned by Fran to an almost cloying extent.
"A book is like a garden carried in the pocket." Chinese Proverb
My blog: http://bookworm56.blogspot.com
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 01:52 PM
Ditto on these points. I would not want to be Lindsay for the world! She has no where to go and no one to talk to and her parents behavior only serves to isolate her further. In particular, her mother seems very selfish and insensitive by expecting Lindsay's reaction to her sister's disappearance to mirror her own.
DSaff wrote:
Everyman wrote:
While there isn't (yet?) a thread for her, Lindsay is the one I feel sorriest for. Not only is she the closest, certainly in age and I think also emotionally, to Kim, but her life to come is going to be much more circumscribed than Kim's ever was. As the only remaining child, she is going to be mother-henned by Fran to an almost cloying extent.I absolutely agree with you. Lindsay is the forgotten one here. As the younger sibling she naturally feels that she is in her sister's shadow. Now that she if missing, I'm sure she wondered if she would ever escape it. She had the final family moments with Kim. She was the last to have quality time with her. I think Lindsay wants to scream, cry, shout, and most of all, help search for her sister.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:14 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:41 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:44 PM
KxBurns wrote:What did you think Fran, Kim's mother? How does Fran change as a result of the events of the novel? Can you pinpoint any particular moments of transformation?Discuss Fran's strengths and weaknesses and how they are heightened or minimized by the loss of Kim.-Karen
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:45 PM
Jeanie0522 wrote:I thought Fran seemed very "needy" before Kim went missing. She drank a bottle of wine every evening and it was kind of Ed's job to look the other way and take care of things. She certainly became more self sufficient and dependable after Kim disappeared, but she was still at times self centered. Throughout the book, I always had the feeling that Fran thought more about how this whole thing was effecting her rather than her daughter that was missing and her daughter that was alive and hurting. There was also a time near the beginning when Fran admitted to herself that she was jealous that Ed was spending so much time looking for their missing daughter rather than spending the time with her. I don't think Fran was a bad person by any means, I just felt she didn't have very good coping skills and leaned too much on Ed. Lindsey also sufferred because of Fran's focus on herself.The strange thing that I thought happened to Fran's character was that she became a stronger person after Kim's death while Ed (who would have been viewed as the stronger person before the tragedy) became more lost and somewhat helpless.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:49 PM
I agree with you, she was a settled mom until Kim was missing. Yes, the running on adrenaline. And its so true Lindsay did suffer alot more than her parents. Parents have a way of forgetting about their other children in times like these. They can't imagine anyone else suffering anywhere as deep as they are.
DSaff wrote:Fran seemed to be a "settled" mom - husband, home, children, job, etc. She seemed content. Then her daughter came up missing and her world fell apart. Like her husband, I think Fran started running on adrenaline, doing anything she could think of to find Kim. The woman who didn't like to be in the lime-light was suddenly the family spokesperson ("Talent" chapter). I think the interviews and organizational tasks gave her a reason to get up and get going everyday. As I read her reactions, they seemed very plausible to me, very understandable.I would put organizational skills as a strength for Fran. One of the weaknesses I see is that she seems to look past, or not see, the pain Lindsey is feeling. Consumed by her own grief, I think Fran is missing clues from her husband and daughter. Hopefully that will change as the book progresses. But, I also think that this is a normal reaction to news of a missing child.
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:51 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 02:59 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 03:00 PM
Re: Fran
- Mark Message as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Subscribe to this message's RSS Feed
- Highlight This Message
- Print This Message
- E-mail this Message to a Friend
- Report Abuse to a Moderator
06-02-2008 03:12 PM
COCOSPALS wrote:There is something about Fran that raised the hairs on the back of my neck. She seems to become "super-mom" when her child disappears.
I agree with this eerie feeling: Fran's involvement in the search for Kim, especially as time goes by, and they start holding all the events (like releasing the balloons on the baseball field, using the "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" song and pictures Kim would have hated, and holding two memorial services), strikes me as self-absorbed, and more about her own desire for closure than anything else. While I definitely have pity for her, her response to the tragedy seems selfish, and I find myself frustrated by her character.