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Re: Middle Chapters ("The Motorist's Prayer" through "Halftime Entertainment")
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06-12-2008 05:33 PM
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06-13-2008 11:49 AM
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06-13-2008 01:55 PM
KxBurns wrote:Hey, since several of you mentioned the importance of the football game scene, I'd love to hear your thoughts about the contrast between the halftime ceremony in Chapter 24 and the "moment of hope" at Lindsay's softball game in Chapter 15, "The Loser's Bracket."How has time changed the tenor of these rituals? How has the purpose behind them changed?
The change in the tenor of the rituals over time is one of the areas where I feel Lovely Bones is particularly strong, perhaps stronger than SFTM, although generally I think I prefer SFTM and would recommend it over LB -- still, all in all, they are very different perspectives on the same phenomena.
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06-13-2008 04:19 PM
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06-13-2008 04:27 PM
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06-13-2008 11:21 PM
The softball game is closer to the time of Kim's disappearance and you have the attention of the town. As time goes on, it becomes less of a priority for them. They don't live with this day by day the Larsens however do so their commitment is greater. Thanksgiving is a family oriented holiday and I cannot fault the town for concentrating on their own families. Remember, the half time ceremony was supposed to be a thank you while the softball game was still a call to arms so to speak.
KxBurns wrote:Hey, since several of you mentioned the importance of the football game scene, I'd love to hear your thoughts about the contrast between the halftime ceremony in Chapter 24 and the "moment of hope" at Lindsay's softball game in Chapter 15, "The Loser's Bracket."How has time changed the tenor of these rituals? How has the purpose behind them changed?
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber. Churchill
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06-13-2008 11:24 PM
I think it has more to do with Lindsay not being comfortable being the center of attention. She was used to the background and Kim's disappearance has thrown an unwelcome spotlight on her life.
FrankieD wrote:Ed and Fran are so busy with keeping Kim in the public eye that they are ignoring Lindsay...perhaps more than they ignored Kim before she disappeared. There's a lot of turmoil in Lindsay's mind about her sister and their relationship and now she has to deal with being in Kim's shadow even when she is gone. I think that the circle at half-time was very difficult for Lindsay more than anybody else.FrankieD
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06-14-2008 09:41 AM
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06-14-2008 10:19 AM
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06-14-2008 10:44 AM
Jennd1 wrote:
I agree with the idea that the characters are stuck. They all realize that there is not much hope that Kim will return, but they are unable to move on with their lives just in case.
I agree, i wanted to add my little take. Its kinda strange how all the characters are displaying their gender role and age, focusing on the search, Dad seems to be doing all the "looking" around, while Mom is baking/cooking, organizing and she is the spokesperson (PR) for the family, while JP seems to be confused of his feelings, like a teen should. However the sister (Lindsay) seems to be displaying borderline depression, she just wants to be left alone and live a normal teen life...
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06-14-2008 11:28 AM
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06-14-2008 12:15 PM
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06-14-2008 08:47 PM
I don't think she was less affected by events but what she is doing is trying to cope with everything and to me, that's just seems to be her way. As far as Lindsey, I understand her feelings also. At her age, and being the "younger" sister.
Bedelia wrote:
I agree - at this point the intense interest for me is waning and I'm getting just a little tired of all the endless searching and minute descriptions of everything. I wonder why the mom Fran seems less affected by events. I completely understand Lindsey and her feelings.
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06-15-2008 05:32 AM
I agree with both of you, this was a great point in the story-I really wasn't expecting it at all.
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detailmuse wrote:I thought the timing and presentation of a body being found (p173) was well done.We actually end the previous chapter happy, hooray-ing with Lindsay and Fran because Lindsay passed her driver's test. And then the first line on the next page comes, BAM! "Right outside Geneva, two kids taking a shortcut through the woods behind a rundown motel found the body." O'Nan made me feel, as much as a reader can, the out-of-nowhere shock that the characters must have felt.
I, also, felt a huge lurch at this point. It was like getting hit by a mac truck from out of nowhere. You got to admit, the man has style....
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06-15-2008 12:33 PM
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06-15-2008 04:43 PM
I totally agree with what detailmuse wrote below.In fact, I hate to say it, but I saw it happening to me in this section of the book.Although I was one of those disturbed by the lack of emotion the characters showed, I do think it gave lots of room for all the readers to project their own emotions into the story. And by the middle of the book--I was emotionally worn out. I was like the people who were no longer in the stands. In my own way, I found that continuing to look at the family's grief when it was becoming obvious that Kim wasn't coming home was very uncomfortable for me.Like some others have said, I skipped forward a through parts of this middle section. Once things were truly resolved in the closing chapters, then I went back and read the middle section.
detailmuse wrote:That scene was well written and motivated, I was as shocked as the parents to see the empty stands!But I think the townspeople have moved into a more self-protective phase, not a self-centered one. Kim is their friend/neighbor/acquaintance, not their daughter; their reaction shouldn't be the same as Fran and Ed's.Years ago, Dr. Andrew Weil recommended that people limit/eliminate their exposure to the news -- he said that people are built to react to the joys and sorrows of their local community ... that we're not equipped to deal with the global community, to differentiate what is societally tragic vs personally tragic ... that a person can't bear the grief of the planet. On a smaller scale, I think this is what the people in Kingsville were doing.
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06-15-2008 06:30 PM
I am amazed that Lindsay thinks Kim is dead so early on - she is the first one to loose hope(117).
The Balloon release at Lindsay’s game was important I thought. The symbolism of releasing their balloons last. Also, I think it is the start of letting Kim go.
Sad that Cooper recognized the car and expected Kim to get out of it – in some ways more raw emotion is shown by Cooper – from him butting against the door – pooping on the floor or chasing the car – things that they all would like to show in their own ways I am sure.
I think it’s difficult to know how little the parents know of Kim’s investigation (i.e. when Fran calls about the cell phone charges and the police said they checked them 2 weeks ago). If my daughter was missing I think I would compulsively have to sit in the police station until they let me help investigate. But then also I wonder if they are still suspecting the parents as most investigations do. I would think the Police would be more forthcoming in giving them information.
I can’t imagine how hard it would be to start living your normal life again knowing your daughter isn’t there and you don’t know where she is. Or the expense Fran & Ed have searching for her, not working, on top of the normal bills. Or watching her friends go to college – that would be tough knowing that she should be there.
What is up with JP? What is he not telling us that he told the police? Was Kim really having an affair with Wozle? It's Frustrating not knowing what happened or what happened that makes them feel responsible.
It is sad that Ed doesn’t want to take a sleeping pill because he wants to dream of Kim. I think this shows his sacrifice and love for his daughter – to see her one more time even if it is in his dreams. (149)
Elise seems less stigmatized by Kim’s disappearance which highlights how the guilt of having some participation in Kim’s last day is effecting JP and Nina. It’s a very interesting contrast.
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06-15-2008 07:48 PM
Yeah, the lull being interrupted by another heartstopping discovery was really well done, in terms of putting the reader in the family's shoes.
julyso wrote:I agree with both of you, this was a great point in the story-I really wasn't expecting it at all.
pigwidgeon wrote:
detailmuse wrote:I thought the timing and presentation of a body being found (p173) was well done.We actually end the previous chapter happy, hooray-ing with Lindsay and Fran because Lindsay passed her driver's test. And then the first line on the next page comes, BAM! "Right outside Geneva, two kids taking a shortcut through the woods behind a rundown motel found the body." O'Nan made me feel, as much as a reader can, the out-of-nowhere shock that the characters must have felt.
I, also, felt a huge lurch at this point. It was like getting hit by a mac truck from out of nowhere. You got to admit, the man has style....
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06-15-2008 07:52 PM
This is true -- the whole thing has become more rote; the family members, more professional at handling it. But I feel like O'Nan does keep reminding us that in spite of appearances to the contrary, the family is still in the thick of it and the situation is still very immediate and very painful for them. Can you think of such instances?
no4daughter wrote:It seems to me that by the end of the middle chapters, and especially at the football game, Kim has become less of a person and the rememberances have taken on the same sort of media spin that accompanies a national "brand". Fran has anchor woman hair and wears a suit, Ed is like Fran's handler when he holds her coat while she speaks and uses 2 hands to flip her hair for her, Kim has become Kimberly, the posters on lightpoles are now foamcore heads and the people at the game tune out just like they would if a commercial were on their telvision.
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06-15-2008 07:55 PM
I like your perspective on Lindsay; I too felt like her isolation wasn't the result of neglect or being overshadowed so much as a function of her own personality and coping style. I hope you comment on this when I post the Lindsay thread tomorrow!
bmbrennan wrote:I think it has more to do with Lindsay not being comfortable being the center of attention. She was used to the background and Kim's disappearance has thrown an unwelcome spotlight on her life.
FrankieD wrote:Ed and Fran are so busy with keeping Kim in the public eye that they are ignoring Lindsay...perhaps more than they ignored Kim before she disappeared. There's a lot of turmoil in Lindsay's mind about her sister and their relationship and now she has to deal with being in Kim's shadow even when she is gone. I think that the circle at half-time was very difficult for Lindsay more than anybody else.FrankieD