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03-03-2008 10:03 PM
At least for the time being, and I'm only through Chapter 5, I didn't find it that well written. It reads for me more like something written by a person who has read a number of books on writing and is trying hard to comply with their instructions rather than just writing out a story. But we'll have to see as the book progresses.
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03-03-2008 10:11 PM
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03-03-2008 10:11 PM
I see I'm late to the party! There's not much more that I can say that hasn't been already been said except I've been wondering what Ginny would do if things didn't seem balanced to her. What would she do to make things balance again? Seems to me she likes things a certain way. Moving on to Chap 2 to see what you've been talking about there.
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03-03-2008 10:30 PM
HannibalCat wrote:
She thinks Vivi's fall was the first step in their separation, but I don't think they were as connected as she thinks they were. Perhaps she saw herself as an extension of her sister, rather than her own person.
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03-03-2008 10:35 PM
blkeyesuzi wrote:
I would suspect that she is a person of habit. She know every aspect of the old glass and every view from every window. She can see the world from where she is and she can see her sister coming from a distance. I suspect she is a person who isn't willing to wait for the moment she comes to the door, rather she wants to know when she rolls up the drive. There's also an element of control there for her.
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03-03-2008 10:40 PM
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She thinks Vivi's fall was the first step in their separation, but I don't think they were as connected as she thinks they were. Perhaps she saw herself as an extension of her sister, rather than her own person.This is a wonderful observation, HannibalCat! Right now the question seems to be, What could have happened to drive such close sisters apart for so many years? But that may not actually be the case at all! It is just too soon for us to say.
yes but why does Ginny see this incident as the beginning? Why would she think thats when they began to not be so close? Even if its always been different, why does Ginny point to this?
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03-03-2008 10:43 PM
I agree -- regardless of whether one or the other rightfully owns the home, it is an ancestral (or at least multi-generational) home place, and therefore is likely a spiritual home to Vivi no matter how long she's been away. I don't get any indication here that the narrator questions her sister's right to return to their family home.
Amanda-Louise wrote:Can she argue? It isn't as though she is living in a house she has purchased. She's living in a family home, so it's really is their home, not hers. So, if Vivi says she's coming home, there is no room to question. However, I, like you, am curious to find out why!
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03-03-2008 10:46 PM
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03-03-2008 10:51 PM
Everyman wrote:
True. But do they decide to move in with those biological parents even before they're met them?
Although these sisters were brought up together, they haven't seen each other since they were quite young women. Wouldn't you want to at least meet the person you'd not seen for nearly fifty years before committing to spending the rest of your life with them? Isn't it a bit like retiring at 65 and then writing to you high school sweetheart and saying you're coming to marry them at last?
grapes wrote:Hmmm. I think it is realistic. How many adopted children look for their biological parents after years and years have passed? It happens. Something snaps. The past becomes more important than the present in order to live a brighter future or a future filled with more knowledge of their identity.
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03-03-2008 10:55 PM
So true! And yet, the length of the absence could be all the more reason for her to feel impatient at her Vivi's tardiness.
detailmuse wrote:For me, a surprising (and believable) aspect of Ginny's obsession with time is her focus on her sister being 20 minutes late -- after a 50-year absence! I agree with other commenters that Ginny seems already to have lost track of a present-day time frame.
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03-03-2008 11:05 PM
Great point! The narrator is both literally and figuratively in the shadows in this chapter, and her namelessness is just another way in which she is somewhat invisible in contrast to Vivi.
Charlottesweb1 wrote:The title of the chapter "The Lookout" fits the narrator to a tee. When the book opens up she is perked at the window awaiting the arrival of her younger sister.I think one of the reasons the author may have omitted the narrators name in the beginning of the book is to stress how overshadowed the narrator was living in her sisters gregarious shadow.
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KxBurns wrote:Great point! The narrator is both literally and figuratively in the shadows in this chapter, and her namelessness is just another way in which she is somewhat invisible in contrast to Vivi.
Charlottesweb1 wrote:The title of the chapter "The Lookout" fits the narrator to a tee. When the book opens up she is perked at the window awaiting the arrival of her younger sister.I think one of the reasons the author may have omitted the narrators name in the beginning of the book is to stress how overshadowed the narrator was living in her sisters gregarious shadow.Makes me think of the importance of names and the root of the name Vivien, which is "viv" meaning life/alive -- as in vivacious, vivid, etc. But now I digress...
Well now speaking on the name, Vivian supposedly comes from the story of King Arthur. Vivian, was the mistress of Merlin, the Lady of the Lake. She gave the sword Excalibur, and when no one was worthy of it any longer, the sword was thrown back to her in the lake for safe keeping. My middle name comes for the extended same story and my mother didnt even know it.
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03-03-2008 11:19 PM
CubbyVet wrote:I also thought that the broken view from the stained glass window might have been a symbol for the POV of th enarrator. It said that she could only see certain aspects of the town, probably like she could pick and choose what she saw in herself. [emphasis added]
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03-04-2008 12:11 AM
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03-04-2008 12:41 AM
ELee wrote:I would tend to agree with you. She seems very concerned with living her life in actual time. Oddly, the very reasons she gives for needing to be sure of the correct time - living alone in a house one rarely leaves that is more rarely visited - would seem to be the very reasons why it would not be important to be so conscious of time.
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03-04-2008 12:55 AM
I have 4 brothers too (no sisters) and it defitinely would depend on which one came to live.... could be a riotously fun time or the very definition of what drives people to harikari (though I love them all dearly)... but I agree with Everyman.... I don't know how I would react if any of them just announce the were coming to live. However, I don't live in the family home, so maybe that's why it was just accepted, maybe the house is still mentally view as the family home and not Ginny's own.
MsMorninglight wrote:Our narrator most definitely sounds like she might be a recluse. The lines: "she said, we ought to be keeping each other company for the rest of our lives, rather than dying lonely and alone. Well, I'll tell you now, I don't feel lonely and I certainly don't feel as if I'm dying but even so I'm glad she's coming home." Seem to best describe her feelings. She wants to see her sister again, but could certainly have lived on perfectly well, without Vivi stepping back into her world.I think, after so many years, I would feel the same. But, I think once we find out more about the the two sisters & their differences, we will better know better if her angst is simply because she's happy living alone, or perhaps due TO their differences.Having 4 brothers and with all our differences, I'm not sure, I'd jump at the chance of having them come live with me after so many years!
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03-04-2008 05:12 AM
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