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Re: Chapter 3: Vivien, a Small Dog, and the Missing Furniture
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03-09-2008 10:20 PM
KxBurns wrote:This chapter also brings up the issue of permanence and the passage of time. In Vivi’s distress over the fact that Ginny has sold off most of the family’s heirlooms, she says, “Our family might not have happened, there was no point to its existing for the last two hundred years if it’s got nothing to show for itself” (p. 33). In response, Ginny thinks “Is it really necessary to record and log your life in order to have made it worthwhile or commendable?” (p. 33-34). With whom do you agree?
This was the part I most liked in this chapter, because while Ginny had no sense of property at all, even living all that years in the house, Vivi wished to keep family roots. I agree with Vivi, because that family had those roots and their preservation was important. To record and log life is important in a family like that, full of traditions, so I think this is going to be a central point on Ginny and Vivien relationship from now on.
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03-09-2008 10:37 PM
Poor Ginny.... Poor Vivi. On one hand Ginny isn't attached to anything except the moths and the lab stuff. On the other hand poor Vivi as she is very attached to all the things in the house. They are such opposites..... Not a happy medium by either it seems in a way. Also..... it seems Vivi is attached to her dog but Ginny could care less about any living creature. Seems somewhat a running theme of the book with the dichotomy. Ginny also not attched to things but attached to the past where Vivi has moved on but attached to things from the past.Lisa
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03-10-2008 12:34 PM
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03-11-2008 12:30 AM
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03-11-2008 01:51 AM
I feel sad in a way for Ginny; she thinks that Vivian is coming back there now because she needs her as she is the older sister. And there is a moment when Ginny does not want her to come back; maybe afraid of the meeting itself. What strikes Ginny to the core is that Vivian seems to have become her own mother Maud. And poor Ginny has tightly controlled all of her emotions her whole life. Ginny seems to be more like Clive and Vivian more like Maud who seemed to know all of the club (life's social) rules.
I think Ginny realizes the loss of so many years alone when she admits to herself: "I'm aware for the first time that part of me went missing a long time ago, that without her I'd become a different person and I've just had a taste of who I used to be or even what I might have become, had she been there." So sad what estrangement from family can mean to all involved.
I thought it was interesting what Ginny said about dog owners out of the blue. "I'm usually most wary of dog owners. In general I find then loud, meddlesome people, who invariably love their dogs in an unhygienic sort of way."
I think Vivian might have a point; the antique person might have taken Ginny for a ride when some of the items might have proved much more valuable than what she received. However, Vivian had taken off and how was Ginny going to get by. Vivian really did not have a right to chastise Ginny or make her feel less competant than she already felt.
For Ginny the furniture and the legacy were too much for her to bear or to keep up any longer. It was much more bearable without the clutter. She was able to get rid of the baggage from the past that Maud and Clive could not.
I think there are moments of warmth in the chapter especially when they greet each other. But questionning what Ginny has or has not done is not a good way to begin a reunion and a renewal of an old relationship and living arrangement. There does seem to be a lot of tension between them which has not been explored.
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03-16-2008 12:32 PM
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03-16-2008 12:35 PM
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03-16-2008 07:02 PM
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03-17-2008 12:36 PM
Me, too Rosei -- I think it's an issue that I could mull over and keep coming to different conclusions each time! What lasts? What really constitutes a family legacy? The material trappings of a family's history might be sold off but, in a way, aren't they actually more lasting than intellectual contributions which will likely be bested and forgotten at some point? And, if in the end, both the physical and the intellectual evidence of a family's existence will disappear, what was the point of it all? I think this is a really interesting, and very central, question posed by the novel. Particularly since we know it is the end of the line for this family.
Rosei wrote:
KxBurns wrote:This chapter also brings up the issue of permanence and the passage of time. In Vivi’s distress over the fact that Ginny has sold off most of the family’s heirlooms, she says, “Our family might not have happened, there was no point to its existing for the last two hundred years if it’s got nothing to show for itself” (p. 33). In response, Ginny thinks “Is it really necessary to record and log your life in order to have made it worthwhile or commendable?” (p. 33-34). With whom do you agree?
This was the part I most liked in this chapter, because while Ginny had no sense of property at all, even living all that years in the house, Vivi wished to keep family roots. I agree with Vivi, because that family had those roots and their preservation was important. To record and log life is important in a family like that, full of traditions, so I think this is going to be a central point on Ginny and Vivien relationship from now on.