03-08-2008 11:40 AM
03-08-2008 03:14 PM
Ooh, great thought -- and who is to say that Vivi did not regularly eavesdrop on her parents from this hiding place?
readmoreino8 wrote:I agree with the readers who believe Vivi is looking for something, not just exploring the house. I am also eager to find out more about Vivi's relationship with her father. She has some strong negative feelings and I wonder if they are in any way related to whatever she may have heard while listening to her parents conversations from inside the wall hiding place. Did she tell Ginny the truth about what she overheard?
03-08-2008 04:21 PM
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03-09-2008 11:00 AM
Three major questions are raised by this chapter and I have a feeling the answers are completely intertwined.
-Why is the past so dangerous, and such a burden to Ginny? What ghosts or secrets is she attempting to expurgate? Why does she feel relief watching Bobby remove "…not just our childhood and my life, but one and a half centuries of the Bulburrow epoch" (p. 76)?
-What is Vivi looking for?! (Alternately, is it possible that Vivi is just getting reaquainted with her childhood home but the idea of exploring the property is so foreign to Ginny that she assumes something else is going on?)
-How do you account for Vivi's bitterness toward Clive, and the sisters' radically different memories of their father? Ginny appears to chalk it up to jealousy; do you agree?
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03-09-2008 05:54 PM
03-10-2008 09:56 AM
This is a very good observation. Due to having a first person narrator, Ginny's character has surely not be revealed completely. I think we may be in for some suprises, at least I hope there is something to redeem this novel.
ELee wrote:"As we grew up, Red House, as it was often called on account of the Virginia creeper that turns the south side a deep red each autumn,..." (p 7)"Then I hear her....As I creep up the stairs I hear the footsteps again, and by the halfway landing I know she's in the attic." (p 75)Did anyone notice that there is more than one "Virginia creeper"? One on the outside, and another on the inside!
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03-11-2008 01:58 AM
lamorgan wrote:I'm beginning to feel sorry for Ginny. She is obviously being taken advantage of by Vivi.Ginny hates change and here is Vivi, showing up after all these years, and immediately sets out to change the way Ginny does things. She expects Ginny to eat the same foods she does and drink her tea the same way.Poor Ginny!
03-11-2008 06:18 AM
But that doesn't mean we can't all consider Mark Twain's admonition:
"Don't read good books. There isn't time for that. Read only the best."
Even as we all enjoy writers across the spectrum at times and sometimes are fourth-rate readers ourselves!
03-11-2008 09:57 AM
I agree with you, I have found no reason to really dislike the Vivi. In fact, if there is a character I dislike it would be Ginny. More importantly though, I feel like I cannot really be attached to either character because I feel like I have only been shown bits and pieces of each one. I really look forward to seeing their full development as the book continues.
lamorgan wrote:I'm beginning to feel sorry for Ginny. She is obviously being taken advantage of by Vivi.Ginny hates change and here is Vivi, showing up after all these years, and immediately sets out to change the way Ginny does things. She expects Ginny to eat the same foods she does and drink her tea the same way.Poor Ginny!Gosh, I disagree -- that is not how I read Vivi's character at all. I can't think of any actual changes she asks Ginny to make; she just apparently forgot how Ginny likes her tea, and she offered pizza when there was no other dinner to be had.Regardless of how we feel about Vivi (and we can certainly agree to disagree; I know I'm in the minority for not disliking her), I'd like to toss a question out there for us to consider. When do you cross the line between accomodating an illness and promoting it? It's starting to seem like all Ginny's life she has been protected and sheltered from something about herself. And as a result her connection to the world is at a bare minimum. So maybe her family has done her no favors by coddling her?...Would love to hear all your thoughts on this issue!
03-11-2008 11:06 AM
BookSavage wrote:More importantly though, I feel like I cannot really be attached to either character because I feel like I have only been shown bits and pieces of each one. I really look forward to seeing their full development as the book continues.
03-11-2008 12:11 PM
03-11-2008 03:37 PM
I keep remembering that Ginny said that Maud taught her to go into a secret room within herself and lock the door so that she was completely away from the outside world. This sound remarkably like the descriptions given by child abuse victims of how they managed to survive. It makes me wonder if child abuse was part of what kept the sisters together and also drove them apart. It's just a thought, but the description is very suggestive. If Maud were the abuser, and Ginny, the victim, it would explain why she kept nothing of Maud's. Perhaps Clive was the protector, not just her colleague, but her physical protector. Just a thought, but it
might explain some of Ginny's rather bizarre behavior.
I have to admit that I am starting to find this book tedious. Ginny is a very unappealing character and all we seem to focus on is how she's sneaking around, spying, or wanting to hide form the world. I hope the pace picks up soon.
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m3girl wrote:What was this Bobby up to - ripping out the mantle? I know they can be valuable but was he taking advantage of the crazy old lady (Ginny)?Susan
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