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Re: ANTIPHON SNEAK PEEK: Section 1, Reintroduction: page 1-87

 

I'll be back to reply to the first part of your post on Monday. I've marked your messages that I want to come back to.

 

Canticle, Postlude, Page 380:

"The Last Son is in exile--spared to fulfill the scriptures--and the kin-healing of Frederico's line is complete.  The Child of Promise has his forty years, and the Great Mother has indebted herself to your grace.  The secret of faith is now preached in the open, and the Machtvold arise from their sorrow to take back their given home."

 

Melissa wrote:

Who is the Last Son?  I had thought it was was Isaak, but then also notice in the title for the gospels it is noted that Ahm Y'Zir is the last son of the Wizard King Xhum Y'Zir.  So could the last son being mentioned be a relation to Y'Zir?  Is it possible for Ahm Y'Zir to be in a mecroservitor?  Could he be the "human" part of Isaak?

 

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Nadine: I assumed that this was Petronus because he was killed and then resurrected but then banished to The Churning Waste.

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In this paragraph from Canticle I was also thinking Vlad Li Tam (or Tam line) is a relative to Frederico and the healing was needed to push them forward.  (the Weeping Czar)

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Nadine: I'm not sure on this one but then I haven't sorted out the lineage yet. It could be the Androfrancines because Petronus was the last Pope. Or it could be the Li Tam family since their blood was used.

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The Great Mother we know is the name or title given to Jin Li Tam.  I think there may be a connection with her and the younger gods, so she is needed by the "Wizard" family.  The Wizard's family was the one to use the Blood Magicks.  And that is what was used to indebt Jin to the Watcher.

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Nadine: Yes, I agree, especially since she was named for one. In fact I think the Li Tam family has some sort of connection to The Younger Gods. Maybe that is how the Wizards originally got their blood for their Magick. That portal between the earth and moon from The Weeping Czar was also the portal to the "Beneath Places" where the Younger Gods were banished.

 

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vpenning wrote:

 


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Li Tam Blood

 

You know what has been really bugging me -- Why was the Li Tam blood so important for the Blood Magic? We don't really know much about the family and where they came from yet.

 

But I have noted one curiosity and that is their breeding. They prevent conception when they have token Kin-Clave sex or "Strategic" sex. And it seems only the first born conceive within the family, though we never know who a "Mrs. Li Tam" is. Vlad didn't seem to have brothers or sisters and no nephews or nieces as far as I can remember. Only children and grandchildren. The only exception was Jin Li Tam and she had to take special powders to conceive and her child is obviously destined for a special task.

 

I don't think we have any answers yet, but I thought I would just throw that observation out there into the knowledge pool.


 

 

I wonder this myself. Good point! I do not have an answer yet, but I like your train of thought.

 

One thing, too that I wonder...with all the children, there does not seem to be mention of wives, or consorts...unless I missed his rememberance of them. (Please someone, refresh my memory if there were some indicated.)


 

Yes, who were the mothers of all these children? They are never mentioned to my knowledge. And it seems to me that Vlad Li Tam had hundreds of children. And maybe only the first born could bred so Mal had to have a lot too. Where did all the grandchildren come from? Especially with no brothers or sisters and no nephews or nieces of the primary breders. But then there seemed like there were thousands of Li Tams at the Blood Temple at the end of Canticle.

 

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I've reached page 55 and taking notes. I haven't read what's in this thread lately because I'm trying to play this straight. Can't wait to discuss the first section. Well, I'm off to read the remainder of the first section.  

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Canticle, Postlude, Page 380:

"The Last Son is in exile--spared to fulfill the scriptures--and the kin-healing of Frederico's line is complete.  The Child of Promise has his forty years, and the Great Mother has indebted herself to your grace.  The secret of faith is now preached in the open, and the Machtvold arise from their sorrow to take back their given home."

 

Melissa wrote:

Who is the Last Son?  I had thought it was was Isaak, but then also notice in the title for the gospels it is noted that Ahm Y'Zir is the last son of the Wizard King Xhum Y'Zir.  So could the last son being mentioned be a relation to Y'Zir?  Is it possible for Ahm Y'Zir to be in a mecroservitor?  Could he be the "human" part of Isaak?

 

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Nadine: I assumed that this was Petronus because he was killed and then resurrected but then banished to The Churning Waste.

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Melissa:  Oh, how could I have forgot about Petronus?  Yes, Petronus is the last son, being he is exiled in the waste lands. So, doe that mean he could be a decendent of the Wizards?  But he is of a different belief, or religion, that the Wizards were.

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Re: ANTIPHON SNEAK PEEK: Section 1, Reintroduction: page 1-87

With this little silver sparrow, I have a few more questions.

 

Who ever sent the bird knew where Isaak was, and most likely new what name he was going by.  So, why send the bird to mechoservitor #3?  Is there a point behind this?  Could it be that they are the one that had readjusted his scrolls, and by calling him a number doing the same now or showing their control over him?

 

Also, the fact that these birds are SILVER makes me curious.  I was curious about the silver as if it may be the same material like the Axe of the Marsh people's queen.  Remember this is a very important material, and we start to get more information on it from Charles on page 85. (Charles knows a great deal of things. We need to keep an eye on him for information.)

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Nadine wrote:

The Mind Melds/Glosslalia/Dreams or whatever it is

I'm not sure of what is happening here but it is adding a whole new dimension to the story. The dreaming or mind-melds are caused by exposure to the Blood Magick. The first we encounter this is with Petronous because he was healed by Blood Magick. (Keep one other idea back in your mind. Jakob has also been healed by Blood Magick.)

Ok the first thing we learn through Petronus is that Neb was exposed to Blood Magick at the fall of Windwir and this is what caused his dreams. (Also keep in mind that Winters also dreams -- it is kind of her job -- but no longer.)

Then it hits him again, and Petronus is back in his papal office studying a map of The Churning Waste. And a man is pointing out the locations of the Super-Magick scouts. These are the same ones Neb has observed. It is revealed to Petronus that they are looking for mechoservitors.


Neb and the Carving of the Kin-Raven

  Neb has a similar experience to Petronus when he touches it the black stone carving of the Kin Raven. He first encounters what must be a mechoservitor who apparently has been in charge of Neb's "dream damp". He warns Neb that he is being listened to. He then encounters Brother Hebda and on page 72 we are also told of the other warnings or predictions Neb received in dreams from Brother Hebda. But there was another one somewhere in Canticle where Brother Hebda tells him to watch out for Renard. This was an ambiguous message. Brother Hebda warns him of the Waste Runners. And then he has his real-time encounter and exchange of images with Winters. And a blond woman marked with cuttings remarks that he is wandering the aether and "Awake and casting."

Petronus in the Aether

He is told of the incident above about Neb (I assume, since it is not specifically stated). Then his "dream" shifts to an underground lake of quicksilver with a black stone in the center (probably like Neb's Raven stone) with a man laying on it whispering into the lake. It is revealed to Petronus that it is an artifact of the Younger Gods from the Beneath Places and it is used to affect dreaming.

His companion doesn't explain much to him but remarks that the "dream is in jeopardy until Neb is safe and he is being hunted by the enemies of the dream and the light.

And then a very startling revelation on page 82: "I am Arch-Behaviorist Hebda,... of the Office of the Preservation of the Light."

Now I thought Hebda was some sort of archeologist who spend all is time exploring The Churning Waste. This seems like a totally different job to me. In fact it seems like he takes care of behavior modification.

OK, folks what do you make of all of this.


 

This whole thing at the moment has me a little confused and curious.

 

It is said that Neb was affected by the blood magick at Windwir fall.  Is this the magick used to bring it down?  Because he didn't take anything into his blood stream or body like Petronus did, or Jakob.

 

And Winters has mentioned she is not having any of the dreams any more.  Could this be because she is not around the blood magicks any longer?  She is no longer taking the potions that she was as the Queen so maybe so.  But does it wear off like that?  So will Neb, Petronus, and Jakob eventually wear down on these?

 

And this stone thing.  I am a little off on this.  I am not sure what stone Petronus is drawing his dreams from.  It seems strange. 

 

pg 80-81 Petronus seeing the stone:

  The man sighed. "You are disoriented still. The stone has that impact. We're still new to it and haven't learned the more subtle nuances of using it."

  Nothing this man said made sense. Petronus leaned forward. "Stone?"

  His companion nodded. "I'll show you." Then, closing his eyes and furrowing his brow, he groaned and Petronus felt the vertigo seizing him. His study fell away, as did the city of Windwir, and a chill took him. He stood on the shore of an underground lake of quicksilver, and at the center of the lake, set into the silver water as if it were a setting in a ring, rose a large, smooth black stone. A man lay sprawled over it, facedown, and in the distance, Petronus could see the man's lips working in a whisper.

  But the voice was clear in his ear. "We do not know exactly what it is, and we are only now discerning exactly what it can do. Some artifact of the Younger Gods buried and forgotten in the Beneath Places.

 

Now, here there is mention of a few things I can't seem to connect. 

  Blood Magick is a thing of the Wizards, the Beneath Places seems to be a place of the Wizards as well.  Or is the Beneath Places a place the Wizards stole from the Younger Gods?  Did the Wizards take the black stone from the Younger Gods when they defeated them and put it here for their use?  I am thinking the later is what the Wizards did.

  The quicksilver of the lake... could this be the same silver as the bird and maybe like the Marshers axe? Could this be hardened to make silver?

  In some way the woman Neb found has a chunk of this black stone carved to help her pass around through the aether.  Interesting, mysterious.

 

But I am curious to see how these things all work together, as I am just not sure yet.

 

In thinking the blood taken from Li Tam family went through the Beneath Places (right?) so in coming in contact with this lake and stone, could that be part of what gave it, its power? I am going to have to think on this.

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What of the Kin-wolves?  I am curious as to why they are so wound up during the day time when they are to be sleeping.  What did this woman in the Wastelands do to attract their attention?  Sounds strange.

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On page 47 we now have a crew of mechoservitors on their way to the Ninefold Forest.  This seems to be the message that the bird carried to Isaak.  But, I don't totally believe this is the whole message.  According to Isaak they are coming in search of "safe escort to the northwestern edge of the Ninefold forest." 

 

Is this the same crew that hijacked Rafe's ship?  They sent a different bird to Isaak then if it is.  And it seems that Isaak may be lieing  or holding back information with his reaction to his own comment... "But he rattled and hissed when he said it, and Rudolfo glanced quickly toward Charles. The arch-engineer stared, tight-lipped, at his creation, and Rudolfo noted that he would need to ask about that look when he and Charles were next alone."

 

So what is in the Northwestern Edge of Ninefold forest? And what is Isaak holding back on?

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Has anyone asked yet about Jakob?

 

What grave danger does Ria foresee Jakob to be in?  It seems like she is trying to protect Jin Li Tam as well, and for more than just the fact that she is the mother of Jakob.  She is needed in what ever plan is devised here.

 

Could the Mechoservitors be the danger?  Or are they worried about Neb, the homeseeker, finding something and lossing Jakob? 

 

Neb is another one I am curious about.  He is in some danger.  But I don't know why they don't want him finding his way home.  What is there at the "home" that they don't want to see?

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We now have Hebda talking with our characters! How is this?  Is it his spirit?  Is he really not dead?  What is up with this... Could it be that the blood magicks used in the destruction of Windwir actually did like it did with Petronus?  Could he have died and the blood magicks brought him back to life?  It seems he may not be as healthy as he was before the fall of Windwir but I don't know how he came back.

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Melhay wrote:

pen21 wrote:

I have been thinking of the birds.

 

Kin-raven and the small mechanical were both used to communicate. Winters received a message from the kin-raven. Isaak from a small mechanical. A kin-raven tried to destroy the small mechanical sent to Isaak. So kin-ravens can be used for a bad purpose.

 

So who didn't want Isaak to get this message?

So why did Isaak send the small mechanical back and to who?

Why did he make sure it was released and not studied by Charles?

Also Charles had not programmed this bird? So who else now has the ability to program them.

 

Luanne


 

Pen, I have a crazy idea to through out there with this little sparrow...

 

Charles is scared or nervous about this little bird. I am curious as to why. What does he know that we are not part of yet?  But here is a quote from the book, page 38 on where these little birdies came from:

 

Androfrancine archaeologies had dug them out, still functioning in their cages, from the ruined subbasement of one of the Wizard King's palaces in the Old World.  But still, they were complex mechanicals of a time that dated back beyond even the Age of the Wizard Kings.  He'd learned what he could of them and had even found obscure reference to them in Rufello's notes on the golden birds that ancient scientist had managed to bring back into the world.

 

I wonder if the Wizard, or Mastermind, is pushing with these birds.  I know the Androfrancine used them for messages in the Wasteland - they where faster and more reliable - but it sounds as the only other people knowledgable about these birds would have been the Wizard.

 

What do you think?  Maybe even a mecroservitor who dates back to that time?


 

Melhay, good points. I like the idea of a mechoservitor still controlling these birds. But you also bring up that the birds were found during the age of the Wizard Kings, but predated that age. How old are these birds? I am leaning toward a mechoservitor.

 

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Melhay wrote:

Nadine wrote:

Paul wrote:

I thought Ken's prelude was simply brilliant – it got me off balance immediately. Four mechoservitors steal Rafe Merrique's ship? What? And the tone for the first few chapters was decidedly different than the first two novels – much more dark. I loved it.

 

And right in the very first sentence, mention of that blue/green moon....

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Prelude

 

I knew you couldn't wait much longer, Paul. :smileywink:

 

The blue/green moon is definitely important. Ken was building to it more and more as he got to the end of Canticle.  If anyone has not read "A Weeping Czar Beholds the Fallen Moon", they might want to do it now. Note: Ken is dropping little hints all over the place. "The gleam of moonlight on their (mechoservitors) metal hands

 

Yes, I agree Paul. Ken has gotten us off to a running start. He has brought new readers up-to-date on at least Merrique and the mechoservitors and something is happening right off. These mechoservitors have a plan but they specifically "serve the light" which is in opposition to the Y'Zirites. The "moon sparrow" I think may be a new mechoservitor bird. There seems to be quite a few of these. And it is working with the mechoservitor. It seems the "Lighters" have been working all this time to set up their plan as well as the Y'Zirites. They also seem to have vast amounts of knowlege about current events.  Now are the "Lighters" good guys or just another set of bad guys?


So many posts here already! I don't know where to start! So I am going to post as I read through these comments.  If I repeat others, I am sorry. :smileyhappy:

 

The Prelude... WOW! I was wanting to know what the heck was going on.  I have so many questions here.

 

Who are these mecroservitors? Are these the ones working with the Mastermind or are these the ones who ran away?  I am really curious here.  What has made me even more curious of these rebel mecroservitors is that they are wearing ROBES.  Remember, Isaak is the only one who will wear clothing, the others would not.  So this makes me suspicious of this crew.

 

The Light... I had always thought the light was good.  As it is what Rudolfo is protecting.  Remember her is the sheperd of the light.

 

But there is a lot of mentions of the light so far in the book (along with the haunting moon of ours).  I am wondering if the "light" being good or bad depends on the interpritation of it and the prophecies with it.

 

I am starting to think our separate groups of good, bad, Y'Zir and Fracines are getting mixed together.  Through the years the families have blended and the beliefs have blended and even changed with the times.


 

The Robes, we discussed this during Canticle. I think this does have significance. But I am still undecided if they are good or bad mechoservitors that stoled the ship. This should be a key element as the book continues. Here is my prediction - these mechoservitors are good or for the light. Isaak was programmed to do something bad. Isaak is a part of the Robed mechoservitors.

 

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Melhay wrote:

With this little silver sparrow, I have a few more questions.

 

Who ever sent the bird knew where Isaak was, and most likely new what name he was going by.  So, why send the bird to mechoservitor #3?  Is there a point behind this?  Could it be that they are the one that had readjusted his scrolls, and by calling him a number doing the same now or showing their control over him?

 

Also, the fact that these birds are SILVER makes me curious.  I was curious about the silver as if it may be the same material like the Axe of the Marsh people's queen.  Remember this is a very important material, and we start to get more information on it from Charles on page 85. (Charles knows a great deal of things. We need to keep an eye on him for information.)


 

 

Melissa,

Very good points. I hadn't thought about why Isaak wasn't addressed by his name. So whoever sent the bird knew Isaak only by a number. The silver bird and the material of silver, maybe it will be a clue for us to find out who sent the bird.

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Melhay wrote:

We now have Hebda talking with our characters! How is this?  Is it his spirit?  Is he really not dead?  What is up with this... Could it be that the blood magicks used in the destruction of Windwir actually did like it did with Petronus?  Could he have died and the blood magicks brought him back to life?  It seems he may not be as healthy as he was before the fall of Windwir but I don't know how he came back.


 

I am curious about Hebda. You have some good ideas here. Having Hebda come back now and how that would affect Neb would be a good plot twist. We could do some good predictions with that.

 

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Paul,

Thanks for posting separate threads for Antiphon. I was able to post some of my thoughts and discuss with a few people before going to help my brother who had surgery. I have been on dial-up here(Debbie you aren't the only one), so I can't do as much posting as I would like, it is a little slow. But I am trying to keep up. And I have all of next week to finish catching up and learning more of what everyone thinks.

Luanne

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Melissa wrote:

 What has made me even more curious of these rebel mecroservitors is that they are wearing ROBES.  Remember, Isaak is the only one who will wear clothing, the others would not.  So this makes me suspicious of this crew.

 

Pen wrote:

The Robes, we discussed this during Canticle. I think this does have significance. But I am still undecided if they are good or bad mechoservitors that stoled the ship. This should be a key element as the book continues. Here is my prediction - these mechoservitors are good or for the light. Isaak was programmed to do something bad. Isaak is a part of the Robed mechoservitors.

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So we have a big conspiracy going on here.

 

The Robed mechoservitors (including Isaak) are good and to protect the Light.  But there is a Wizard left-over or follower or Mechoservitor scrolled to be like the old Wizard still out there.  And some how this Watcher or Wizard Mechoservitor has manipulated Isaak to do other than he is suppose to do and created chaos in the world.

 

Maybe... Isaak is one of the original mechoservitors used by the Wizard Y'Zir to bring the song of 7 deaths to the world at that time.  And the Watcher has taken advantage of this knowledge to bring back the way of the world he remembers and wants.  Maybe the Watchers scrolls have become corrupt and this is what he feels the world should be like.  Nah, the Watcher can't be just now corrupt in the scrolls, this has been a work in progress for to many years.  I am thinking this is a left over from the Wizards time, when things went down hill for them.  They have been putting in motion this stuff for years.  Maybe there is a mechoservitor scrolled with the memories of the Wizard, and he thinks he is the Wizard. :smileyvery-happy:

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Canticle, Postlude, Page 380:

"The Last Son is in exile--spared to fulfill the scriptures--and the kin-healing of Frederico's line is complete.  The Child of Promise has his forty years, and the Great Mother has indebted herself to your grace.  The secret of faith is now preached in the open, and the Machtvold arise from their sorrow to take back their given home."

 

Melissa:  Oh, how could I have forgot about Petronus?  Yes, Petronus is the last son, being he is exiled in the waste lands. So, doe that mean he could be a decendent of the Wizards?  But he is of a different belief, or religion, that the Wizards were.

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I think this quote from the Canticle Postlude is really important and contains a lot of information. But I haven't sorted out yet in my head who could belong to what camp. It might be worth sorting this out.

 

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The Younger Gods

 

I had assumed that they were the earliest group and lived on the moon but maybe not. They may have been predated by the Czarists and maybe the Lunarists.

 

Weeping Czar (pg 2 of printout):

 

Of course. Lord Felip Carnelyin’s One Hundred Tales. The hundredth being his fanciful flight to the moon under the supposed auspices of an earlier Czar in the earliest days of empire, before the weeping bred itself into the great families. Before the world lost hope and meaning. The first of the Lunarists had emerged from those early times though there was no evidence whatsoever of a Czarist Lunar Expedition in the meticulous archives Frederico’s forebears had maintained.

 

“We know of a certainty,” Frederico said, “that it can not be so.” Once maybe, he thought, before the plagues ravaged its blue green surface and killed the last of the Younger Gods who hid there away from a ravaged world below that hated and feared them.

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 So it seems the Younger Gods did some dasterdly deed and were not well liked. but died of a plague -- or maybe not.

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Page 23 of the printout:

“There’s a pool in a cave deep beneath my father’s tower,” she said, the words tumbling out. “It’s where he goes to draw up his magicks from the blood of your world.” She paused. “It’s connected somehow.”

 

A childhood superstition about magicks crept into his mind. “The Beneath Places,” he said. The so-called hell of the Younger Gods, where they plundered devils of their souls and slept restless in their sins. Or bargained for power. Stories, like the ghosts in the water, to keep children obedient.

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So we have possible Villain #1 - The return of the Younger Gods.

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Nadine
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Re: ANTIPHON SNEAK PEEK: Section 1, Reintroduction: page 1-87

 


Melhay wrote:

With this little silver sparrow, I have a few more questions.

 

Who ever sent the bird knew where Isaak was, and most likely new what name he was going by.  So, why send the bird to mechoservitor #3?  Is there a point behind this?  Could it be that they are the one that had readjusted his scrolls, and by calling him a number doing the same now or showing their control over him?

 

Also, the fact that these birds are SILVER makes me curious.  I was curious about the silver as if it may be the same material like the Axe of the Marsh people's queen.  Remember this is a very important material, and we start to get more information on it from Charles on page 85. (Charles knows a great deal of things. We need to keep an eye on him for information.)


 

 

What struck me was this description of the Crescent from the Weeping Czar:

 

A crescent. And of such brilliant silver that it stung his watery eyes. Sunlight, already sharp and slicing through the crystal domes high above, struck the metal and burst into whiteness.

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We have seen a similar description of the birds.

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dalnewt
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Re: ANTIPHON SNEAK PEEK: Section 1, Reintroduction: page 1-87

After reading the first section I believe it's shaping up to be a contest between two hidden powers/forces.

 

One is a more malevolent force which manipulated the destruction of Windwir, the purging/assignation the resultant discord among the Named Lands, the creation of the Machvolk gospels and the growth of the Y'Zirite resurgence. There's no indication yet who or what this force is but it controlled Vlad Li Tam's father and subverted his grandson Mal. It baited Jin Li Tam into begging for Ria's help. It has spies in all levels of power in the Named Lands and utilizes blood magick as well as kin-ravens. And I believe the Waste runners are some sort of Y'Zir acolytes originally engaged in hunting for the older model mechoservitors responsible for both the creation and ultimate destruction of the second library and now engaged in hunting Neb w/in the wastes after he revealed his location/presence by touching the Y'Zir kin-raven statue and connecting with the aether.

 

On the other hand there's a countervailing force which supports the Homecoming dream and seems to utilize more benign methods as well as relying on the mechanical moon sparrows. I believe Brother Hebda is a part of this effort and uses the black stone from the Age of the Younger Gods to communicate to others in dreams and visions. Via that black stone, Hebda tells Pertronus in a dream to entreat the gypsy king to save Neb and shows Petronus the location of Neb on a map. During his dream communication with Pertronus, Hebda warns that if Neb is lost the dream and light are lost. Neb is the Homeseeker.