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AUGUST FEATURE #2: Ice Song by Kirsten Imani Kasai
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08-01-2009 03:33 PM
I loved Ice Song. In an Unabashedly Bookish blog I posted a few weeks ago – All Hail The Genre Goddesses: Female Writers in Science Fiction – I highlighted this release and wrote this:
"Those looking for a powerful and provocative female voice in their fantasy reading fare should definitely pick up this stellar debut, which is set largely in the frozen wastelands of the Sigue. The story revolves around protagonist Sorykah Minuit, a rare human “Trader” who can switch sexual genders at will. After Sorykah’s twin infants are abducted by a reclusive madman who wants to use them for nightmarish scientific experiments, she sets off on a desperate quest to find her children and avenge them – and inadvertently begins a breathtaking journey of self-discovery. A deeply lyrical and sublimely haunting narrative powers this intriguing fusion of science fiction, fantasy and subtle social commentary."
We haven't really focused on a female SF/fantasy writer in a while – and, as per my blog, there are numerous talented women writers out there! – so, hey, it's high time that we give an exceptional female writer her time in the B&N forum spotlight!
I am a big fan of Ursula Le Guin, especially her early work. Kirsten Imani Kasai has that same poetic intensity and profundity... I can't recommend this novel enough!
Paul
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08-01-2009 05:58 PM
Paul,
I read this book and loved it. I like how she worked with both the male and female sides of the hero/heroine. The growth and acceptance of both sides was very well done. Looking forward to more books by her. I don't want to post too much right now because I don't know how many have read the book yet. But I'm really glad that I read it.
Toni
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08-03-2009 09:34 AM
I am 100 pages into this book. Good book!
I like the pace that she uses to introduce characters. And that the author keeps adding more about the characters as the chapters progress. I have a good picture in my head of the landscapes in the journey that the main character is on. The author is good at blending character development and scene descriptions, with neither overwhelming the other.
I am ready to keep reading.
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08-04-2009 05:34 PM
pen21 wrote:
I am 100 pages into this book. Good book!
I like the pace that she uses to introduce characters. And that the author keeps adding more about the characters as the chapters progress. I have a good picture in my head of the landscapes in the journey that the main character is on. The author is good at blending character development and scene descriptions, with neither overwhelming the other.
I am ready to keep reading.
Glad that you're enjoying it, Pen – can't wait until you finish to read your thoughts!
Paul
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08-06-2009 06:44 PM
Ok it looks like just me and Nelsmom in on this discussion with Paul.
Hope some more join in.
I have read through Chapter 20. Wish I had more reading time.
The story of the Wood Beast in Chapter 16 changed completely what I was thinking of the Wood Beast. It gave an unexpected twist for me.
But the basic story of Sorykah and Soryk changing really leaves each of them in a dilemma. The twins being forgotten in Soryk's mind at such a critical point in Sorykah's search for the twins was the ultimate in showing how individual their memories were.
I will keep reading.
pen21
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08-06-2009 11:55 PM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS
I liked the story about Beast too but i think that what really got me was Chapter 31 and Sorykah's meeting with Radhe, Matuk's daughter and the interaction that they had while Radhe was going through her final change. I think that Sorykah showed a lot of compassion to her. There were a lot of things that I liked but I think that this one is my favorite.
Toni
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08-07-2009 10:07 AM
The Wood Beast, for me, was a perfect example of the novel's themes – prejudice, intolerance, etc. Here's a truly nightmarish creature that is essentially legendary – stories about the beast have spread far and wide. But if you look past all of the narrow-mindedness, you find a child who only wants to be loved.
The same can be said for Sorykah – here's a being that society has judged and made into this circus-like sexual treasure and the reality of things is that Sorykah is nothing like that. She's a loving mother, a great friend, courageous, strong, etc.
The themes in Ice Song made me think about how society has prejudiced anyone who is even a little different – be it sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever.... It's one of those novels that made me ...sad... to be part of the human race. For all of our advancements, we're still so barbaric when it comes to embracing those who are different...
Paul
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08-09-2009 12:48 PM - edited 08-09-2009 12:49 PM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Sorykah's compassion for Radhe was probably the only time anyone had shown any affection to her since her mother was taken from her. That was a good chapter. That Sorykah would stay with her during this time even though Sorykah was trying to get to her twins, shows how deep her compassion was.
Nelsmom wrote:POSSIBLE SPOILERS
I liked the story about Beast too but i think that what really got me was Chapter 31 and Sorykah's meeting with Radhe, Matuk's daughter and the interaction that they had while Radhe was going through her final change. I think that Sorykah showed a lot of compassion to her. There were a lot of things that I liked but I think that this one is my favorite.
Toni
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08-09-2009 12:59 PM - edited 08-09-2009 01:00 PM
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I agree with all 3 points you made here. Very well said.
For the Wood Beast chapter 16 had changed my opinion of her into just a lost child. And as Nelsmom said Chapter 31 showed the compassion that Sorykah, a creature that the world judged as a sexual treasure, should be so compassionate.
Sorykah was surprised of her value/price as a Trader. She only thought of herself as a good mother and I think a good person. I like the traits you listed for her.
But the themes you listed are well developed in this book. The humans didn't have much going for them. All the somatics, as varied as they were, were more tolerant.
The author created a world in this book that makes you think.
Lu
paulgoatallen wrote:The Wood Beast, for me, was a perfect example of the novel's themes – prejudice, intolerance, etc. Here's a truly nightmarish creature that is essentially legendary – stories about the beast have spread far and wide. But if you look past all of the narrow-mindedness, you find a child who only wants to be loved.
The same can be said for Sorykah – here's a being that society has judged and made into this circus-like sexual treasure and the reality of things is that Sorykah is nothing like that. She's a loving mother, a great friend, courageous, strong, etc.
The themes in Ice Song made me think about how society has prejudiced anyone who is even a little different – be it sexual orientation, race, religion, whatever.... It's one of those novels that made me ...sad... to be part of the human race. For all of our advancements, we're still so barbaric when it comes to embracing those who are different...
Paul
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08-17-2009 06:33 PM
Good Afternoon folks.
I read the comments and sounds really good. I just picked Ice Song up from the library so it is going to the head of the tbr pile. I am looking forward to it. Comparing it to La Guin, well goody. When I was working on my womens studies degree, I read some stuff various stories about different configurations of gender. Looking forward to this one.
I skipped the spoiler alert marked posts ( with great restraint I must add) but appreciate everyones comments so far. Has me salavating.
I start a new job tomorrow, so I can't stay up too late reading but...here I go.
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08-17-2009 07:25 PM
Be sure to check back in. I would like to hear more opinions about the book.
Luanne
lilithesque wrote:Good Afternoon folks.
I read the comments and sounds really good. I just picked Ice Song up from the library so it is going to the head of the tbr pile. I am looking forward to it. Comparing it to La Guin, well goody. When I was working on my womens studies degree, I read some stuff various stories about different configurations of gender. Looking forward to this one.
I skipped the spoiler alert marked posts ( with great restraint I must add) but appreciate everyones comments so far. Has me salavating.
I start a new job tomorrow, so I can't stay up too late reading but...here I go.
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08-17-2009 08:55 PM
lilithesque wrote:
Good Afternoon folks.
I read the comments and sounds really good. I just picked Ice Song up from the library so it is going to the head of the tbr pile. I am looking forward to it. Comparing it to La Guin, well goody. When I was working on my womens studies degree, I read some stuff various stories about different configurations of gender. Looking forward to this one.
I skipped the spoiler alert marked posts ( with great restraint I must add) but appreciate everyones comments so far. Has me salavating.
I start a new job tomorrow, so I can't stay up too late reading but...here I go.
Lilithesque:
You have a womens studies degree? I'm very curious what your take is on this novel – especially the various prejudices and perceptions regarding the main character as a female then as a male! This should've made for a fantastic discussion – I wish more people read this stellar debut!
Paul
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08-29-2009 10:55 AM - edited 08-29-2009 10:57 AM
Worked on a review for this book today. It was a hard book to describe succinctly. The book definitely leaves an impression.
Here is my review.
Sorykah/Soryk is a strong female/male character. The journey of Sorykah/Soryk to find their twins leads through a a good blend of character development and scene descriptions to build the knowledge of this world. The genetic engineering in this world has gone awry. But the books leaves me wondering if the humans with genetic mutations captured the humanity and left the human race without compassion. Sorykah/Soryk as a Trader is a highly valued commodity and a reason to hide their identity and that the twins have inherited that gene. This would be a good book for a book club discussion.
Hope to hear more thoughts from people who read the book.
Lu
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10-07-2009 05:59 PM
Ok. Sorry to be so poky but the new job has me running.
Anyway. When I started this book, I was quickly captivated by the almost poetic descriptions in the book. The writer brought the world in to focus, and then the cross country adventure started. Well, then I got lost. I just couldn't stay interested or convinced.
The author continued to write good descriptors and brought characters forward and introduced them, but I just couldn't buy many of the story plots. For instance, the whole scene when she turns to he because of the almost rape, it just didn't flow well.
Probably one of the first little things that started to bug me was the men. All of them. There are these multi dimensional characters or are weird, interesting,and multi-faceted (including the landscapes) and then there are the men. Men are really shallow and uninteresting in this book. Even the protags male side is way underdeveloped and not particularly interesting. From this little detail bothering me, I just kept having a heck of a time reading this book. I actually didn't get to finish it (I got as far as Sorika sleeping by the dead body by the balloon and waking up and getting going) but I really tried.
It seems that a book that creates such richly painted world could do more with the male/female combo than that it is highly prized because of the exotic-ness, and it plays out like a multi-personality disorder.
I don't know, I am on a late lunch and have to go, but I will say, I am going to recheck it out and finish it someday, just cuz, and I would recommend it to anyone who enjoys reading because the problems may have just been issues of taste, esp.. Since the others here really enjoyed it. I may come back and post more later.
lily
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10-16-2009 08:54 PM
lilithesque wroterobably one of the first little things that started to bug me was the men. All of them. There are these multi dimensional characters or are weird, interesting,and multi-faceted (including the landscapes) and then there are the men. Men are really shallow and uninteresting in this book. Even the protags male side is way underdeveloped and not particularly interesting. From this little detail bothering me, I just kept having a heck of a time reading this book. I actually didn't get to finish it (I got as far as Sorika sleeping by the dead body by the balloon and waking up and getting going) but I really tried.
Lily:
Exactly true about most of the male characters – but that in and of itself is a significant theme of the book! I think that if you had finished, you would've realized, "Yes, okay, I get it now...."
This was a powerful read for me. I'll bet that when – or if – you ever finish this book, you'll think so too. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Paul
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12-11-2009 02:32 AM - edited 12-11-2009 02:36 AM
I finally just got around to reading this book after seeing it on the Features list a couple of months ago. At first I felt the plot was too slow...the only thing keeping me interested was the author's ability to create a beautifully vivid landscape that I could easily envision.
I think the turning point for me was when Sorykah was attacked by the hunters, waking up as Soryk. Here I became worried for her safety, and finally felt more invested in her character. I was captivated by the way Sorykah handled herself in each crisis because at the beginning I didn't have much confidence in her success. Perhaps this was all part of Kasai's plan.
I have to agree with Lilithesque about the men. It seemed like all they thought about was sex, with the exception of the ones who were too deranged to think soundly. I do realize this is somewhat intentional, but it would have been a nice contrast to have one or two male characters who were a little more balanced. Take Elu, for instance, the man Sorykah seemed to care for the most. He almost never spoke, had sex with anything, and was an amazing baker (let's face it, men aren't the only ones with food-sex links). Why would this fierce woman even be attracted to him? Now, Chen was fairly well-rounded, but too easy to hate. The only man in this story with any redeeming qualities was Meertham, oddly enough. Which says a lot.
The genetic mutations and the societies originating from them were fascinating. We saw victims of prejudice in abundance; even Sorykah's reaction to meeting Rava showed some narrowmindedness. She impressed me by growing out of this, being able to look Radhe in the eye without the slightest grimace. I also loved that the somatics were frequently portrayed as more human than the humans.
Sorykah's abandonment of her fear and the cultivation of her new ability to see the beauty in her surroundings moves us to feel optimistic about humanity. I am happy that I trudged through the slow parts to enjoy the ending.
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12-11-2009 05:39 PM
melissas wrote:
I finally just got around to reading this book after seeing it on the Features list a couple of months ago. At first I felt the plot was too slow...the only thing keeping me interested was the author's ability to create a beautifully vivid landscape that I could easily envision.
I think the turning point for me was when Sorykah was attacked by the hunters, waking up as Soryk. Here I became worried for her safety, and finally felt more invested in her character. I was captivated by the way Sorykah handled herself in each crisis because at the beginning I didn't have much confidence in her success. Perhaps this was all part of Kasai's plan.
I have to agree with Lilithesque about the men. It seemed like all they thought about was sex, with the exception of the ones who were too deranged to think soundly. I do realize this is somewhat intentional, but it would have been a nice contrast to have one or two male characters who were a little more balanced. Take Elu, for instance, the man Sorykah seemed to care for the most. He almost never spoke, had sex with anything, and was an amazing baker (let's face it, men aren't the only ones with food-sex links). Why would this fierce woman even be attracted to him? Now, Chen was fairly well-rounded, but too easy to hate. The only man in this story with any redeeming qualities was Meertham, oddly enough. Which says a lot.
The genetic mutations and the societies originating from them were fascinating. We saw victims of prejudice in abundance; even Sorykah's reaction to meeting Rava showed some narrowmindedness. She impressed me by growing out of this, being able to look Radhe in the eye without the slightest grimace. I also loved that the somatics were frequently portrayed as more human than the humans.
Sorykah's abandonment of her fear and the cultivation of her new ability to see the beauty in her surroundings moves us to feel optimistic about humanity. I am happy that I trudged through the slow parts to enjoy the ending.
Melissa:
I never really considered any sequences to be slow – for me it was like reading poetry. I loved Kirsten's lyrical writing style and early on I realized that this as going to be a thinly veiled allegory about sexism, gender issues, prejudice, etc. Even the novel's title – Ice Song – deepened my sense of lyricism as I was reading...
It's been months since I read this but the story has still stuck in my head. And that's saying something when you consider all of the stuff I read! As a man, I thought the message was particularly powerful – I know more than a few women who have been sexually abused and I found the dramatically different way "society" treated the protagonist as a woman and then as a man to be completely hypocritical, unfair, and sickening. I enjoyed the message but it would've been cool to have some kind of wisdom or enlightenment at the book's end....
It will be REALLY interesting where Kirsten takes the sequel, Tattoo, due out in 2011!
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, Melissa! ![]()
Paul
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12-11-2009 09:43 PM
I'm glad to hear there's going to be sequel. I am curious to see where Sorykah is going to choose to spend her life, and as whom. She seemed so torn at the end...knowing that the wilderness isn't really for her, but not sure if she would have a life she could return to at the Sigue. Also, now that she has some control over her ability to become Soryk, will she choose to live her life as her alter-ego? Nonethless, I hope the story continues with Queen Sidra, as I came to adore her, as well as Dunya. It's bound to be a beautiful story; I agree with you that her writing is like poetry.
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12-12-2009 11:09 AM
The questions are also raised in Ice Song:
If you could, would you change your sexual gender? And how would your life have been different if you were a boy instead of a girl of vice versa.... Seemingly simple questions but it leads to some interesting revelations about our own society....
Paul
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12-12-2009 11:50 AM
melissas, thanks for stopping back. I really got into Ice Song, but it is good to hear how it affects others.
Especially the writing, it was different but really affected me because of the style.
Paul, a sequel. Yes!!!, I will be watching for it.
Your comment below, those thoughts kept going through my mind as I read Ice Song.
The business world for male vs. female kept popping up in my head.
Hope to see others comment on Ice Song as they read it.
Maybe a few will get it as a gift this holiday season.
pen21
paulgoatallen wrote:The questions are also raised in Ice Song:
If you could, would you change your sexual gender? And how would your life have been different if you were a boy instead of a girl of vice versa.... Seemingly simple questions but it leads to some interesting revelations about our own society....
Paul