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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

 

paulgoatallen wrote:

Okay, wow.

 

The thing I love about this "machine gun" speculation as we read on is that there are so many things that I miss and so many things that I think are hugely significant that nobody talks about. It just goes to show you how 100 people can read a book and walk away with 100 different experiences.... very cool.

 

Okay, I also "starred" the T'vril comment on p.88 – "There won't be another warning. When the signal comes, you'll have one chance. If you're still near the shaft when it comes..." There is obviously a conspiracy afoot – I thought maybe it might be an assassin attempt at Yeine's grandfather and/or the heirs.

 

I also thought there were huge thematic insights on p. 141-145, during the "once upon a time" narrative. The one theme that just jumped out at me was the significance of CHANGE. From p. 143: "Nothing can stay the same forever... we were not made to be still." And on p. 145, concerning Nahadoth: "He must change; he is Change." The ability (or inability) to change – or evolve, or adapt, or whatever you want to call it – I think, will play a very big role in the overall storyline.....

 

Also, I loved the line on p. 147 – talk about a jaw-dropper! "The presence of Enefa's soul in your body has had some influence."

 

More in a few....

 

Paul

 

 

I'm about halfway into our next reading section and it seems every chapter is a jaw-dropper. So we sure stopped at a good spot.Now things are coming together and we are getting some answers.

 

I was little confused initially by the Once-upon-a-time narrative but I quickly caught on to what was being explained and it was a neat way of doing it and keeping me alert and interested. Mellissa was right on about Enefa's soul and Luanne zeroed in nicely on the apricotstone jewlery. Paul, I think you are right about the prominence of the "Change" theme. It certainly dominated the Once-upon-a-time story,

 

 

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Nora is at a writing retreat this weekend but because she knows I'm writing my Monday blog on The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, she emailed me back the answers to my questions asap. (Thank you, by the way!) I soooo loved her answers – it made me love this novel even more!

 

Here are her responses:

 

1. You listed Octavia E. Butler as your "own personal grandmaster." (I do see similarities between your religion in THTK and her Earthseed religion... very cool!) Why do you think more Afro-American women don't write SF/fantasy?

You see similarities?  Really?  Which ones?  I can't think of any offhand -- Earthseed as mentioned in PARABLE OF THE SOWER and PARABLE OF THE TALENTS posits a very hands-off, disinterested god, while the gods in the Inheritance Trilogy are anything but.  Also, the Inheritance gods could mostly care less where humanity ends up in the future -- they're mostly concerned with the present and past -- whereas the Parable books are all about humankind's ultimate destiny.

As for why more African American women don't write SF/F -- I'm not really sure how to answer that question, because it starts from what I think might be a false assumption.  I know plenty of African American women (and men, and Asian Americans, and Latino/a Americans, and so on) who write SF/F. Offhand I can mention Nisi Shawl, Nnedi Okorafor, Nalo Hopkinson, Lashawn Wanak, Alaya Dawn Johnson, K. Tempest Bradford, Helen Oyeyemi, Tananarive Due, L. A. Banks, Ibi Aanu Zoboi, Carole McDonnell, Linda Addison, Sheree Thomas, Jewelle Gomez... I'm probably missing quite a few (and misspelling some names) because I'm trying not to Google, just list from memory.  And those are just the ones who've published short stories or novels; I know many more who are on the hoping-to-get-published track.  Octavia Butler left behind a lot of children, spiritually speaking.

Now granted -- I think there should be *more* black women writing SF/F.  For a very long time now SF/F has mostly reflected the mythic structure and futuristic ideologies of a fairly narrow subset of people (mostly straight white American men).  Nothing wrong with that; their myths and futures are interesting.  But so are other people's, and we won't get to see more of those as long as the white guys are hogging the spotlight.  SF/F claims to incorporate the full complexity of humankind in its fiction, so it needs to reflect this complexity in its own makeup.  I'm hoping we'll see more changes of this nature over time.


2. Did Butler's Earthseed religion inspire any themes for your novel?

No, not really!  Earthseed always seemed a little hippy-dippy for my tastes, honestly.

I think I'm more affected by Butler's Oankali, the aliens from the Xenogenesis/Lilith's Brood trilogy, who believe that humankind is fatally flawed because we use their intelligence mainly to serve our hierarchical, domineering tendencies.  We waste our brains, in other words, thinking up new and more insane ways to position ourselves as better than our fellow human beings because of race or gender or sexual orientation or religion or whatever.  The world of the Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is very much driven by humanity's desire to dominate everything it can -- even its own gods.  (And since in this world the humans were made in the gods' image, the gods have the same flaw.  I'm not as pessimistic as Butler; I don't know that we're doomed by this flaw.)  But we're definitely going to screw up the world in multiple ways because of it.  Hopefully we'll grow out of this tendency before we do too much damage.


3. How significant is the theme of change not only in The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms but as a life philosophy?

I don't think it really is significant.  The central issue in the Inheritance Trilogy isn't change, it's *change that's handled badly.*  The whole story is triggered by one character who can't cope with something that happens -- not who you think, by the way, you'll find out who the trigger-person was in book 2, THE BROKEN KINGDOMS.  So rather than accept the change that's happened, this person literally moves heaven and earth to force a more desirable change -- and all hell breaks loose as a result. This is sort of built into the cosmology of the Inheritance Trilogy; everything revolves around the balance between three gods.  One is a god of chaos and change, yes -- but he's only one-third of the organizing principle of the universe, and not the most important third by far.  The other two-thirds are equally relevant:  a god of stagnation or order, and a goddess of balance. Her death is what destabilizes the other two.

So I would say my trilogy's philosophy is that change itself is irrelevant, because it's unavoidable; how we deal with change is what matters.  Which I suppose does fit in with my personal philosophy, in a way -- I'm a counseling psychologist in my day job life, and much of what I do involves helping people adjust to change in healthy ways.

So maybe if somebody just does an intervention with the gods of this world, we can save the universe! =)



 

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paulgoatallen wrote:

Nora:

I just finished The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms – bravo! I'll not post my review here yet since we're still dissecting the meaty midde but I do have a few questions:

 

1. You listed Octavia E. Butler as your "own personal grandmaster." (I do see similarities between your religion in THTK and her Earthseed religion... very cool!) Why do you think more Afro-American women don't write SF/fantasy?

 

2. Did Butler's Earthseed religion inspire any themes for your novel?

 

All that you touch
You Change.
All that you Change
Changes you.
The only lasting truth
Is Change.
God
Is Change.

(Parable of the Sower, 1993)

 

I looked at the Parable of the Sower and it looks like an interesting book and might make a good discussion book. I'm not far enough into 100k to understand the relationship but the Earthseed Religion might have some interesting discussion parallels. Here is a link to some background information on the Earthseed Religion. Now we will have to see what Nora is going to say about its relevance.

 

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Re: MARCH FEATURE #1: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms by N.K. Jemisin

 

Nadine wrote:

 I looked at the Parable of the Sower and it looks like an interesting book and might make a good discussion book. I'm not far enough into 100k to understand the relationship but the Earthseed Religion might have some interesting discussion parallels. Here is a link to some background information on the Earthseed Religion. Now we will have to see what Nora is going to say about its relevance

 

 

 

Nadine:

Well, although Nora didn't see the similarities as much as I did – I did feel that they were important, even if they were subtle. I'd like to think about the two books – and authors – a bit more and then ask Nora a few more questions about Earthseed. I did love her answer though – especially the significance of the relationship between the three Gods: Order, Change and Balance.

 

Paul

 

p.s.

I just finished The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms today and I must say: Bravo!

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Wow! Great bunch of answers from Nora, Paul.

 

Hey this one really has me thinking now. It is a challenge:

 

 The whole story is triggered by one character who can't cope with something that happens -- not who you think, by the way, you'll find out who the trigger-person was in book 2, THE BROKEN KINGDOMS.  So rather than accept the change that's happened, this person literally moves heaven and earth to force a more desirable change -- and all hell breaks loose as a result. This is sort of built into the cosmology of the Inheritance Trilogy; everything revolves around the balance between three gods.  One is a god of chaos and change, yes -- but he's only one-third of the organizing principle of the universe, and not the most important third by far.  The other two-thirds are equally relevant:  a god of stagnation or order, and a goddess of balance. Her death is what destabilizes the other two.

 

At the end of the book, lets each of us make our best guess as to who the "trigger-person" is and then see if we are right when The Broken Kingdom comes out! I'm already developing some thoughts!

 

This mythology is becoming very interesting.

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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

 

Nadine wrote:

Wow! Great bunch of answers from Nora, Paul.

 

Hey this one really has me thinking now. It is a challenge:

 

 The whole story is triggered by one character who can't cope with something that happens -- not who you think, by the way, you'll find out who the trigger-person was in book 2, THE BROKEN KINGDOMS.  So rather than accept the change that's happened, this person literally moves heaven and earth to force a more desirable change -- and all hell breaks loose as a result. This is sort of built into the cosmology of the Inheritance Trilogy; everything revolves around the balance between three gods.  One is a god of chaos and change, yes -- but he's only one-third of the organizing principle of the universe, and not the most important third by far.  The other two-thirds are equally relevant:  a god of stagnation or order, and a goddess of balance. Her death is what destabilizes the other two.

 

At the end of the book, lets each of us make our best guess as to who the "trigger-person" is and then see if we are right when The Broken Kingdom comes out! I'm already developing some thoughts!

 

This mythology is becoming very interesting.

 

 

Yes! That response had me instantly salivating for Book Two!   :smileyhappy:

 

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Yes! That response had me instantly salivating for Book Two!   :smileyhappy:

 

Paul

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:smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: Should I start bugging you now about a First Peek? :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:

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Nadine wrote:

Yes! That response had me instantly salivating for Book Two!   :smileyhappy:

 

Paul

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:smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: Should I start bugging you now about a First Peek? :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:

 

 

Nadine:

Interestingly enough, some UK sites have The Broken Kingdoms release date as November, 2010 so that would just be fantastic!

Paul

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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

As you all know, I'm a book reviewer – it's not just my job, it's my career. And I know that quite a few of you write reviews as well so here's an example of what NOT to do in a review. Below is the review for The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms that recently appeared in BookPage:

 

"Many books are good, some are great, but few are truly important. Add to this last category The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, N.K. Jemisin’s debut novel. The first in a trilogy, The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms features Yeine Darr, whose mother had abandoned her life of privilege to live in her lover’s barbarian tribe and raise their daughter. When her mother dies, Yeine is called to return to Sky, the royal palace and home of the world’s rulers, the Arameri, to compete with a brother and sister for the chance to rule her native kingdoms. She does not expect to win, but does expect to solve the mystery of her mother’s death before she gets herself killed. The Arameri have enslaved the two remaining gods, Bright Itempas and the Nightlord, two of the three world-creating deities, and their various children, and they use them to control the kingdoms. Wonderfully filled with family secrets, brutal betrayals, a remarkable romance and the mystery of a mother’s love, the book rises above others of its type not only by creating a complex world and mythology, but by populating the former with characters of many different skin colors. In this reviewer’s opinion, this is the must-read fantasy of the year."

 

The reviewer states that this novel is "truly important" but then never goes any further. HELLO. Why is this book important? Why should fantasy fans read it? ##FAIL##

 

And at the end of the review: "...the book rises above others of its type not only by creating a complex world and mythology, but by populating the former with characters of many different skin colors."

 

The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is epic fantasy – and what are a few of the elements that DEFINE epic fantasy? A focus on world building and a storyline that features a large cast of  characters. Read the reviewer's sentence again – it makes no sense whatsoever.##FAIL##

 

I actually laughed out loud while reading this review!

 

So, if you're writing a book review and make any type of statement like "a truly important book" please make sure that you back it up with reasons why you think it's so important. Saying a book is important means nothing to me – tell me WHY it's important.

 

And if you're going to compare a book to other comparable works, make sure that you have actually read numerous books in the genre. If you haven't read much epic fantasy, don't go writing that a book "rises above others of its type not only by creating a complex world and mythology, but by populating the former with characters of many different skin colors." – you'll just end up sounding like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

Paul

 

 

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:smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy: I thought it amusing but for different reasons. It would not have been so bad if it were just a synopsis but they didn't even get their facts right!

 

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paulgoatallen wrote:

As you all know, I'm a book reviewer – it's not just my job, it's my career. And I know that quite a few of you write reviews as well so here's an example of what NOT to do in a review. Below is the review for The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms that recently appeared in BookPage:

 

"Many books are good, some are great, but few are truly important. Add to this last category The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms, N.K. Jemisin’s debut novel. The first in a trilogy, The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms features Yeine Darr, whose mother had abandoned her life of privilege to live in her lover’s barbarian tribe and raise their daughter. When her mother dies, Yeine is called to return to Sky, the royal palace and home of the world’s rulers, the Arameri, to compete with a brother and sister for the chance to rule her native kingdoms. She does not expect to win, but does expect to solve the mystery of her mother’s death before she gets herself killed. The Arameri have enslaved the two remaining gods, Bright Itempas and the Nightlord, two of the three world-creating deities, and their various children, and they use them to control the kingdoms. Wonderfully filled with family secrets, brutal betrayals, a remarkable romance and the mystery of a mother’s love, the book rises above others of its type not only by creating a complex world and mythology, but by populating the former with characters of many different skin colors. In this reviewer’s opinion, this is the must-read fantasy of the year."

 

 

 

Now I'm not even halfway through the book so their may be many more errors than I picked up on.

 

to compete with a brother and sister for the chance to rule her native kingdoms. These are cousins., Yeine's native kingdom is Darr and she isn't all that enthusiastic about this "opportunity!"

 

 

The Arameri have enslaved the two remaining gods, Bright Itempas and the Nightlord I may be off on my mythology but I didn't think that Bright Itempas was enslaved. And, of course, we do have other named enslaved gods.

 

the book rises above others of its type not only by creating a complex world and mythology, but by populating the former with characters of many different skin colors. Now I might be off on my personal reaction to this novel, but I don't consider skin color an important issue in this book. Inequalities yes but that was not related to skin color. Look at Arameri servant class and Yeine is of high status both in her own land and in the Arameri court. Yeine may have some physical traites that are different from the idealized "beauty" of the Arameri but along with being dark skinned she is also short and somewhat stocky. Even the gods are dark and light. Actually, I haven't encountered that much diversity in the population so far but maybe because it has been mainly a non-subject. I think the importantance of Yeine's physical differences is that she is just that -- different. She also comes from a matriarchal society and is capable of physically defending herself and her fashion sense is somewhat different then the style worn in Sky by the ruling class.

 

 

 

 

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Yes! You're absolutely right, Nadine! I was so amused by the beginning and the end, I didn't even realize that the synopsis was totally wrong! OMG...

 

And, yes, the skin color thing wasn't even on my radar...

 

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:smileyvery-happy::smileyvery-happy: I thought it amusing but for different reasons. It would not have been so bad if it were just a synopsis but they didn't even get their facts right!

 

Now I might be off on my personal reaction to this novel, but I don't consider skin color an important issue in this book. Inequalities yes but that was not related to skin color. Look at Arameri servant class and Yeine is of high status both in her own land and in the Arameri court. Yeine may have some physical traites that are different from the idealized "beauty" of the Arameri but along with being dark skinned she is also short and somewhat stocky. Even the gods are dark and light. Actually, I haven't encountered that much diversity in the population so far but maybe because it has been mainly a non-subject. I think the importantance of Yeine's physical differences is that she is just that -- different. She also comes from a matriarchal society and is capable of physically defending herself and her fashion sense is somewhat different then the style worn in Sky by the ruling class.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Nadine,

 

Yeah, I found that mention kind of odd/amusing too.  IMO, what's happening is that a lot of epic fantasy glosses over or ignores the issue of race, except to essentialize it in creepy ways. For example, Tolkien's "races of men" (the good guys) are almost exclusively British-esque people -- the Rohirrim and the Gondoreans (and the Numenoreans, etc), who are described as noble and "fair" and all sorts of other positive adjectives.  Meanwhile the bad guys (allies of Sauron) include ugly non-humans and several human races that are obviously meant to be Asians and Africans -- the Easterlings and Southrons, who were described as decadent and immoral.  (In the Peter Jackson film they looked sort of Arabic -- the folks with the oliphaunts, if you don't remember the scene.)  And I think Tolkien even dinged the Irish while he was at it, with the barbaric "mountain tribes" or "hill people" whatever they were called basically being depicted as lazy and selfish and cowardly.  Back in Tolkien's day, the Irish were still commonly regarded as non-white by British people, though this was changing in America.  Anyway, none of these latter races were counted among the good races by Tolkien -- or were called men, for that matter.  Very blatant dehumanization, but not entirely surprising given that Tolkien was born in South Africa (though he moved to England in childhood) and his parents probably picked up some of the attitudes of apartheid.

 

There's also some history of this in Dungeons and Dragons, which was kind of starter material for many of today's epic fantasy readers. In early versions of the game, the orcs were essentially stereotypical black people (ugly, inherently vicious, violent, physically impressive but intellectually stupid, impossible to reason with or educate, fit only for killing), and the humans were all white and European.  (So were the "good" races, like Elves and Dwarves.  Orcs and Drow had dark skin.)  Frankly, the whole D&D game framework is built on this kind of essentializing -- i.e., the idea that you know something about random strangers because you know their race, because there are "essential" characteristics to every group.  Apply this idea to human beings and it's called racism.  (Google Dungeons and Dragons and racism if you're curious; there's been a lot of discussion of this in the game sphere lately.)

 

So some reviewers are picking up on the fact that my trilogy includes people of all races, and some of the non-white characters are actually important to the story, not relegated to the role of sidekick or the guy who dies to help the hero.  And none of the races are stereotyped or treated as inherently evil -- though various characters in the story do tend to have negative thoughts about other races, they're not always right to think that way. There are actually several epic fantasies out now which are trying to redress this problem in the subgenre; mine's not the only one by far.  But it is still kind of rare.  So I think what's happening is that a lot of reviewers aren't sure how to talk about this issue because they've never done it before, yet they understandably feel it's important.  Most of us have been taught that even to discuss race is somehow racist, so the first few times we try, it comes across as awkward.  In the case of the Bookpage review it was kind of a non-sequitur.  :smileyhappy:  But I'm still glad the reviewer mentioned it.

 

Nora (off at a writing retreat, so going to be a little slower to respond 'til Tuesday)

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I really like this analogy to the chess game. I can picture her in the middle of the board not sure which way to go. But also not knowing which chess piece she is, how is she suppose to move.

Like a pawn, one step at at time going forward only. Or like a queen, which can move in any directions as many squares as desired.

 

 

paulgoatallen wrote:

Well, I'm up into the 200s now so I won't talk about specifics but it occured to me last night that this plot is very much like a chess game into which Yeine has been dropped into. What side is she on? Who is white and who is black? And although some characters seem to be very powerful – the Nightlord, Scimina, etc. – are they just pawns for something, or something, else?

 

It's almost like both sides are trying to make Yeine their weapon but she remains gray throughout....

 

Paul

 

 

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pen21 wrote:

I really like this analogy to the chess game. I can picture her in the middle of the board not sure which way to go. But also not knowing which chess piece she is, how is she suppose to move.

Like a pawn, one step at at time going forward only. Or like a queen, which can move in any directions as many squares as desired.

 

 

 

 

 

Pen:

Yes, and I was pleasantly surprised at subtle chess references in the latter chapters – another layer of very interesting imagery indeed!

 

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Sorting out the Gods.

In the first part I was not aware of the distinction among the gods. Now the distinction seems to be turning into something important. So I'm giving a shot at sorting them out. Please correct me or add information to my sorting out.

Maelstrom - Is the original creative force in the universe and it created three gods.

Gods - The Three

Itempas - Skyfather. The sun god of the day and of stability. Now the ruling and worshiped god.
Nahadoth - The Nightlord. The moon god of the night and of change and chaos (Now enslaved in a human body but can change it)
Enefa - The Betrayer. The Goddess of twilight and balance. (Now desceased but her soul survived)

Godlings - These are offspring or creations of the Three Gods or maybe just Enefa. There are (or were) more of these but we know only of a few named ones. They are also enslaved in human bodies but seem to be able to alter their form.)

Sieh - The Trickster. Has the form of a young boy. He was the first godling created by Enefa
Kurue - The Wise, a goddess.
Zhakkam - The goddess of battle.

 

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The Next Coming of Octavia E. Butler: A Hundred Thousand Reasons to Read N.K. Jemisin

I’ve been reviewing science fiction and fantasy releases for almost two decades now and my favorite reads are by far and away debut novels. It’s the exhilaration of experiencing the unknown, like stepping across a threshold into an unexplored world. I could discover a mind-blowing story from a transcendent new voice in the genre – like Ken Scholes, Jesse Bullington, Jon Armstrong, Kirsten Imani Kasai, or David Oppegaard – but unfortunately, more often than not, I stumble across something pedestrian; a book that may be mildly entertaining but that I’ll forget about completely in a few days.

 

 

And speaking of the multiple Hugo and Nebula Award winning Octavia Butler, there are subtle thematic similarities between Jemisin’s novel – which is set in a sprawling realm where fallen gods live (albeit enslaved) amongst mortals and one extended royal family rules supreme – and Butler’s unfinished Parable trilogy (Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents), in which the fictitious philosophy/religion Earthseed is prominently featured throughout:

 

“All that you touch

You Change.

All that you Change

Changes you.

The only lasting truth

Is Change.

God

Is Change.” – from 1993’s Parable of the Sower

 

 

“Once upon a time there were three great gods. Bright Itempas, Lord of Day, was the one destined by fate or the Maelstrom or some unfathomable design to rule. All was well until Enefa, His upstart sister, decided that she wanted to rule in Bright Itempas’s place. She convinced her brother Nahadoth to assist her, and together with some of their godling children they attempted a coup. Itempas, mightier than both His siblings combined, defeated them soundly. He slew Enefa, punished Nahadoth and the rebels, and established an even greater peace—for without His dark brother and wild sister to appease, He was free to bring true light and order to all creation.”

 

Jemisin describes Nahadoth, the Nightlord, very much like the embodiment of Earthseed: “He must change; he is Change.”

 

Jemisin, who is a guest in BarnesandNoble.com’s Fantasy/Science fiction forum this month, says that the central issue in the Inheritance trilogy isn’t so much about change as it is “change that’s handled badly.”

 

“…I would say my trilogy’s philosophy is that change itself is irrelevant, because it’s unavoidable; how we deal with change is what matters," she says. "Which I suppose does fit in with my personal philosophy, in a way – I'm a counseling psychologist in my day job life, and much of what I do involves helping people adjust to change in healthy ways.”

 

The main storyline in The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms involves Yeine, the estranged granddaughter of Dekarta, the head of the Arameri family and “uncrowned king of the world.” Born and raised in a remote northern kingdom, when Yeine is summoned back to the towering city of Sky – also the location of the floating palace of the Arameri family – shortly after her mother dies under mysterious circumstances and is named an heir to her grandfather’s throne, she finds herself in the middle of a viper pit of scheming cousins, enslaved – and tortured – deities, self-absorbed nobles, and a virtual labyrinth of bloody family secrets. When she realizes that she is just an expendable pawn in a much larger game – one where the salvation of humankind may very well be in the balance – she must make the terrible decision about how best to use her death...

 

In her acknowledgments, Jemisin wrote: “Posthumous thanks to Octavia Butler, for going first and showing the rest of us how it’s done.”

 

Butler was a true original, a pioneer, an icon, and was described by NPR as “a rare science fiction author – black and a woman.”

 

When asked why more Afro-American women aren’t writing SF/fantasy, Nora replied:

 

“I'm not really sure how to answer that question, because it starts from what I think might be a false assumption. I know plenty of African American women (and men, and Asian Americans, and Latino/a Americans, and so on) who write SF/F. Offhand I can mention Nisi Shawl, Nnedi Okorafor, Nalo Hopkinson, LaShawn Wanak, Alaya Dawn Johnson, K. Tempest Bradford, Helen Oyeyemi, Tananarive Due, L.A. Banks, Ibi Aanu Zoboi, Carole McDonnell, Linda Addison, Sheree R. Thomas, Jewelle Gomez... I'm probably missing quite a few. And those are just the ones who've published short stories or novels; I know many more who are on the hoping-to-get-published track. Octavia Butler left behind a lot of children, spiritually speaking.

 

Now granted – I think there should be *more* black women writing SF/F. For a very long time now SF/F has mostly reflected the mythic structure and futuristic ideologies of a fairly narrow subset of people (mostly straight white American men). Nothing wrong with that: their myths and futures are interesting. But so are other people's, and we won't get to see more of those as long as the white guys are hogging the spotlight.”

 

Jemisin concludes: “SF/F claims to incorporate the full complexity of humankind in its fiction, so it needs to reflect this complexity in its own makeup. I'm hoping we'll see more changes of this nature over time.”

 

Well, readers – that time is now. The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms is epic fantasy at its very best: entertaining and enlightening. And in terms of style and theme and clarity, Jemisin just may be the next coming of Octavia E. Butler…

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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

Also – a note for all of you who are loving this book – please stop by the Unabashedly Bookish blog where I just posted the above article and comment! A lot more "mainstream readers" read those blogs and it would be great to compel some of those people to read his book!

 

Paul

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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

Hi Paul,

 

Great review/interview!  One thing, though -- is it possible for you to somehow link to the interview you did with me, which seems to be posted here in the forums?  I'm thinking it's kind of buried here, and some people might be interested to see the whole interview. 

 

Nora

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NKJemisin wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

Great review/interview!  One thing, though -- is it possible for you to somehow link to the interview you did with me, which seems to be posted here in the forums?  I'm thinking it's kind of buried here, and some people might be interested to see the whole interview. 

 

Nora

 

 

Let me see what I can do, Nora... (Hope you had a great retreat!)

Paul

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Re: The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms: Pages 140-238

A little late to the commenting but I am really enjoying this book and missed on on the Canticle discussion so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss this one.

 

Now that we are discussing section two I wanted to comment on something I though was interesting. At this point we now know that Yeine contains the soul of Enefa, isn't it interesting that Yeine is a combination of two opposite races possessing light and dark characteristics (even skin tones to break it down to the basic levels) much in the same way Enefa was the combination or balance between the two light and dark Gods.

 

I am excited to be a part of this discussion and really enjoying this book, more to come as I reread this section.