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08-06-2012 08:46 AM
The Dispatcher Week One
This month we’re going to do something a little different I don’t want the discussion to be a test, I want you to talk more freely about the feelings the novel invokes in you and I want you to have more of an ownership role in the conversation. So please expand on these few questions with questions, concerns and feelings of your own.
First thoughts
Characters -
The plot- does the author do a good job of selling his story- is there a part in this section that’s a stand out.
Your overall feelings so far
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08-07-2012 03:23 PM
dhaupt wrote:The Dispatcher Week One
This month we’re going to do something a little different I don’t want the discussion to be a test, I want you to talk more freely about the feelings the novel invokes in you and I want you to have more of an ownership role in the conversation. So please expand on these few questions with questions, concerns and feelings of your own.
First thoughts
Characters -
The plot- does the author do a good job of selling his story- is there a part in this section that’s a stand out.
Your overall feelings so far
I got a late start and I am only about half-way through the assigned reading. I am disturbed, and I don't know if I should continue. I'll check back later in the week, if I stick it out!
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08-07-2012 03:38 PM
Catherine111 wrote:
dhaupt wrote:The Dispatcher Week One
This month we’re going to do something a little different I don’t want the discussion to be a test, I want you to talk more freely about the feelings the novel invokes in you and I want you to have more of an ownership role in the conversation. So please expand on these few questions with questions, concerns and feelings of your own.
First thoughts
Characters -
The plot- does the author do a good job of selling his story- is there a part in this section that’s a stand out.
Your overall feelings so far
I got a late start and I am only about half-way through the assigned reading. I am disturbed, and I don't know if I should continue. I'll check back later in the week, if I stick it out!
Catherine,
You're not alone! I am also not quite through the first section - I started reading this one a little late, and I really don't know why... - but I'm just going to jump in here and comment.
First of all, my ebook version - purchased from B&N!! - seems to be a little jumbled in a few places. Like a couple of repeated paragraphs and some text that appears to be out of order. Nothing I couldn't handle, but always a little disturbing when I come across this kind of thing. Or is that on purpose??
As I haven't read quite all of the first week's section, I can only comment on the first two-thirds. The part that stands out to me is the 'punishment hook'. I contrast that section with Henry's thoughts about how he wishes that Sarah/Maggie wouldn't be so afraid of him, that she could love him like her own father. What a twisted path he's traveled down, to be able to live that paradox. Obviously, he imposes a form of punishment that normal people would find abhorrent, and I wonder if all of the previous deaths of the Sarahs that he's brought home has completely warped his thinking. Well, I don't really wonder, I can't see how it wouldn't be mentally disturbing, causing a break in his sanity. And to contnue to try and please his wife, even though at some level he recognizes her culpability in the deaths of all of these children. I guess if he gives up on her, he'd have to face his own crimes.
I was also a little disturbed at Ian's reaction to Maggie's phone call. It felt almost casual - if it were me, I would have broken into a run for my car and headed straight there. Not saying that's logical, but it would be the reaction I could anticipate having. Or maybe he doesn't want to get his hopes up, but I felt like he was a little subdued about the whole thing.
Those are my thoughts on this one for now - I like your new format, Deb! I'll come back in another day or so, when I'm caught up with the assignment!
Elaine
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08-07-2012 03:53 PM
Catherine111 wrote:
dhaupt wrote:
The Dispatcher Week One
This month we’re going to do something a little different I don’t want the discussion to be a test, I want you to talk more freely about the feelings the novel invokes in you and I want you to have more of an ownership role in the conversation. So please expand on these few questions with questions, concerns and feelings of your own.
First thoughts
Characters -
The plot- does the author do a good job of selling his story- is there a part in this section that’s a stand out.
Your overall feelings so far
I got a late start and I am only about half-way through the assigned reading. I am disturbed, and I don't know if I should continue. I'll check back later in the week, if I stick it out!
Catherine, this is not for everyone and I totally understand if you choose not to return to it.
For me it was incredible in it's realism
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08-07-2012 03:55 PM - edited 08-07-2012 03:57 PM
elaine_hf wrote:
Catherine111 wrote:
dhaupt wrote:
The Dispatcher Week One
This month we’re going to do something a little different I don’t want the discussion to be a test, I want you to talk more freely about the feelings the novel invokes in you and I want you to have more of an ownership role in the conversation. So please expand on these few questions with questions, concerns and feelings of your own.
First thoughts
Characters -
The plot- does the author do a good job of selling his story- is there a part in this section that’s a stand out.
Your overall feelings so far
I got a late start and I am only about half-way through the assigned reading. I am disturbed, and I don't know if I should continue. I'll check back later in the week, if I stick it out!
Catherine,
You're not alone! I am also not quite through the first section - I started reading this one a little late, and I really don't know why... - but I'm just going to jump in here and comment.
First of all, my ebook version - purchased from B&N!! - seems to be a little jumbled in a few places. Like a couple of repeated paragraphs and some text that appears to be out of order. Nothing I couldn't handle, but always a little disturbing when I come across this kind of thing. Or is that on purpose??
As I haven't read quite all of the first week's section, I can only comment on the first two-thirds. The part that stands out to me is the 'punishment hook'. I contrast that section with Henry's thoughts about how he wishes that Sarah/Maggie wouldn't be so afraid of him, that she could love him like her own father. What a twisted path he's traveled down, to be able to live that paradox. Obviously, he imposes a form of punishment that normal people would find abhorrent, and I wonder if all of the previous deaths of the Sarahs that he's brought home has completely warped his thinking. Well, I don't really wonder, I can't see how it wouldn't be mentally disturbing, causing a break in his sanity. And to contnue to try and please his wife, even though at some level he recognizes her culpability in the deaths of all of these children. I guess if he gives up on her, he'd have to face his own crimes.
I was also a little disturbed at Ian's reaction to Maggie's phone call. It felt almost casual - if it were me, I would have broken into a run for my car and headed straight there. Not saying that's logical, but it would be the reaction I could anticipate having. Or maybe he doesn't want to get his hopes up, but I felt like he was a little subdued about the whole thing.
Those are my thoughts on this one for now - I like your new format, Deb! I'll come back in another day or so, when I'm caught up with the assignment!
Elaine
Thans Eiaine, I look forward to your responses later.
The nook version shouldn't repeat itself, the paper book doesn't, you might want to report this to B&N.
I will take the oposing side on Ian's reaction, I really think he was acting just like a policeman, it's not that he didn't want to go, but he knew he had the best opportunity from right there taking the details down so that she would be easier to find in the long run.
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08-07-2012 08:49 PM
This book really grabbed my attention right from the beginning and it was hard to put the brakes on and stop reading after chapter two. My initial feelings toward Ian were that he should run immediately and find his daughter. Then the more I thought about it, I came to the conclusion that maybe he is wise to handle it his own way. I am anxious to see how his journey to finding his daughter progresses.
The characters stir emotions right from the start. One can't help but feel pure hatred toward Henry. I agree with the earlier comment about the punishment hook scene standing out. I think my eyes and mouth were probably both wide open and my body completely still as I read about this horrible torture. It is disturbing, but sadly, it is also the world we live in.
As Maggie later develops a new sense of hope later in chapter two, I couldn't help but cheer her on. Even after all she has been through, she still wants Beatrice to just die on her own. What an amazing young girl. As she made her make shift knife and came up with a plan, I couldn't help but shout, "You go girl!!"
I can't wait to start chapter three!
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08-07-2012 10:28 PM
Another thought I've had about this first section - how close they must be to Maggie! Everyone hears the barking dachsunds at Pastor's house!!! Henry's and Ian's paths must cross occasionally, but who would guess what's in Henry's basement?! There is a certain frustration attached to being an omnipotent reader...
I have to say that I find the idea of 'Borden' just a teeny bit creepy, as perhaps we're meant to feel. Maybe it's amazing that after what she's been through, Maggie doesn't have more imaginary people and creatures filling her days.
Deb, I agree he was just being a policeman, but I don't think that I could sit that still if I were Ian. Probably a good thing I'm not a policeman!
Elaine
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08-07-2012 11:38 PM
This is going to be hard for me to comment on for two reasons. One I read the book earlier in the year so not everything is fresh in my mind. Two, since I've already finished the book, I know what happens later on.
I think I agree with Deb on the way Ian reacted when he got the phone call. His training kicked in to handle a situation he wasn't prepared to deal with on an emotional level. As a single father, I would like to to think I would have handled it the same way. The only way to really secure the best result.
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08-08-2012 01:55 AM - edited 08-08-2012 02:09 AM
Making it through this week's reading was a little difficult for me, but I'm glad I stuck with it. I was immediately drawn into the story, but found it extremely hard to read on when it came to Maggie's part. Especially, as others have mentioned, when it came to the punishment hook. It was so awful to read about that I found myself having to put the book down and come back later when I was more mentally prepared to deal with it. Every time the book turns to Maggie's story I can feel myself bracing, preparing for the worst.
My heart went out to Ian. I can't imagine how much pain he must be in not knowing where his daughter is or if he'll ever be able to see her again. He has never given up the hope that his daughter would be found alive. Hearing her voice on the end other of the phone had to be pure torture. To know after all this time he was right not to give up hope and then to still not be able to find her, must have been crushing. I think if put in the same situation as Ian, I would have a hard time functioning, let alone trying to go about my life, always wondering what had really happened the night his daughter disappeared.
I was stunned reading that Maggie was not the first child Henry and Beatrice have kidnapped. Knowing there were three other girls that came before Maggie was unimaginable to me. Henry is a horrific person and Beatrice in my opinion is no better. Although she is not the one physically hurting Maggie, she is allowing it to happen and also refuses to let her go. I cannot imagine all the horror Maggie has had to endure these last seven years.
I think the most shocking thing I read in this week's section was that Henry's brother, Donald, had brought Maggie books to read and even gives her lessons. He obviously knows that Maggie is being held captive in Henry's basement and hasn't told anyone. I went back to reread when we first meet Donald at the liquor store and Ian and Chief Davis give him the physical description Maggie gave to Ian of her captor. Donald lets out a strange giggle and grins then says, "You described damn near half the fat old alcoholics in town. You just described my brother Henry". I found myself screaming at Ian, Yes, it's Henry. Go find him. I'm curious to see what role if any Donald has played while Maggie's been in captivity.
There were two interesting things I've noticed while reading. The first thing I've noticed is that that author doesn't use traditional quotation marks to indicate that someone is speaking. I wonder if there's any significance to that that will be revealed as we read on. The second is that when switching from one character's story to another, there are no indications, like a space between paragraphs. The only way I've been able to tell there is a switch coming is that the next character's storyline has not been indented. It feels a little jarring to me when the change of characters is so abrupt, but at the same time it seems very fitting to the book.
This has been a good read so far and I'm anxious to read next week's section.
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08-08-2012 06:54 AM
aprilh wrote:There were two interesting things I've noticed while reading. The first thing I've noticed is that that author doesn't use traditional quotation marks to indicate that someone is speaking. I wonder if there's any significance to that that will be revealed as we read on. The second is that when switching from one character's story to another, there are no indications, like a space between paragraphs. The only way I've been able to tell there is a switch coming is that the next character's storyline has not been indented. It feels a little jarring to me when the change of characters is so abrupt, but at the same time it seems very fitting to the book.
I was wondering as well about the way it switches from one character's story to another without a space or other indication. I am using my Nook Tablet and at first I thought it was a formatting problem. Thanks for pointing out that it seems fitting to the book.
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08-08-2012 08:53 AM
For those of us reading on our various nook devices - and if you're as slow as I am sometimes - the pagination is a bit different than the physical book. I kept thinking, how could I be this far behind? And how could the first third of our readings be more than half of the book. Well, duh, it's not, the first two sections end at about page 75. Whew, I definitely feel better! And I still feel the same way about the parts that stood out to me. Good catch on Donald - I didn't make that connection until I read the comment here!
Elaine
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08-08-2012 09:28 AM
Great responses everyone and I agree with many of you about how hard this was to read and yet like a train wreck I couldn't stop.
it's a great question to ask Ryan when he makes his appearance about his unique style of writing.
For me personally it keeps the story more intense (if that's possible) and it give more indication of urgency.
I put up a thread about Borden, so be sure and check that out
I have to say that re-reading this novel has not like some made it any "less" anything the second time around.
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08-08-2012 11:01 AM
Okay, I am back. I finished this week’s chapters last night. I have never read this author before and I really do not know how far he is willing to go. I am reading slow and taking in small doses --- fearful as I turn the pages of what I might find. I’m usually not so faint-hearted. I’ve read things like Helter Skelter (horrifying and compelling at the same time), and one of my all-time favorite books is In Cold Blood (also horrifying and compelling), so I really can’t put a finger on why the book is having such an impact on me.
Anyway, I agree with much of what has already been said here, so I don’t want to repeat too much. I do want to point out one thing that is really sticking with me --- Ian’s dealings with Andy. I think we get an interesting glimpse into the inner workings of Ian in that particular scene. He has a lot of pent up anger and already we see he is not willing to “play by the rules.” I'm keeping that in mind as I continue reading.
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08-08-2012 11:35 AM
Catherine111 wrote:
Okay, I am back. I finished this week’s chapters last night. I have never read this author before and I really do not know how far he is willing to go. I am reading slow and taking in small doses --- fearful as I turn the pages of what I might find. I’m usually not so faint-hearted. I’ve read things like Helter Skelter (horrifying and compelling at the same time), and one of my all-time favorite books is In Cold Blood (also horrifying and compelling), so I really can’t put a finger on why the book is having such an impact on me.
Anyway, I agree with much of what has already been said here, so I don’t want to repeat too much. I do want to point out one thing that is really sticking with me --- Ian’s dealings with Andy. I think we get an interesting glimpse into the inner workings of Ian in that particular scene. He has a lot of pent up anger and already we see he is not willing to “play by the rules.” I'm keeping that in mind as I continue reading.
Catherine thanks for sticking with the read. I really know what you're saying about some reads effecting you more or less than others.
interesting observation about Ian and Andy.
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08-08-2012 03:57 PM
Thanks for the comment, TarHeelGirl.
I'm glad you responded to the characters, as characters tend to be my focus when writing, and plot just a way to get into them and explore what they're about.
What's interesting to me is that readers seem to really hate Henry, and I never felt that way about him. I understand it, of course, he's not a nice guy. But to me his motives are somehow sympathetic despite his actions. That doesn't mean, however, that I'd want to share a beer with him!
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08-08-2012 04:06 PM
elaine_hf wrote:
Another thought I've had about this first section - how close they must be to Maggie! Everyone hears the barking dachsunds at Pastor's house!!! Henry's and Ian's paths must cross occasionally, but who would guess what's in Henry's basement?! There is a certain frustration attached to being an omnipotent reader...
I have to say that I find the idea of 'Borden' just a teeny bit creepy, as perhaps we're meant to feel. Maybe it's amazing that after what she's been through, Maggie doesn't have more imaginary people and creatures filling her days.
Deb, I agree he was just being a policeman, but I don't think that I could sit that still if I were Ian. Probably a good thing I'm not a policeman!
Elaine
Thanks for the comment, Elaine.
I made a conscious decision to set the story in a small-town environment, so people would be constantly crossing paths, and to give the early sections a sort of claustrophobic feel which matched Maggie's situation. When I first began writing, the book was set in Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, and I just couldn't make it work. Finally it occurred to me to set the book in a small town in Texas much like one I spent a few years of my youth in; after that, the story really took off for me.
Bordon was unplanned. I began writing Maggie's first section and he just showed up, an outgrowth of her character. That said, I certainly don't mind that he can be seen as creepy. I think he'd probably fit equally as well in a children's fable or a horror story.
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08-08-2012 04:15 PM - edited 08-08-2012 04:32 PM
Thanks for sticking with it, April! I hope you end up liking the entire book. I know my writing isn't for everyone, but I do try to create a satisfying experience for readers, if not always purely enjoyable.
The lack of line breaks between points of view is a result of the transfer to electronic format. While in the physical book there are no chapter breaks, there are page breaks between sections.
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08-08-2012 04:25 PM
Catherine111 wrote:
Okay, I am back. I finished this week’s chapters last night. I have never read this author before and I really do not know how far he is willing to go. I am reading slow and taking in small doses --- fearful as I turn the pages of what I might find. I’m usually not so faint-hearted. I’ve read things like Helter Skelter (horrifying and compelling at the same time), and one of my all-time favorite books is In Cold Blood (also horrifying and compelling), so I really can’t put a finger on why the book is having such an impact on me.
Anyway, I agree with much of what has already been said here, so I don’t want to repeat too much. I do want to point out one thing that is really sticking with me --- Ian’s dealings with Andy. I think we get an interesting glimpse into the inner workings of Ian in that particular scene. He has a lot of pent up anger and already we see he is not willing to “play by the rules.” I'm keeping that in mind as I continue reading.
Thanks for the comment, Catherine.
I'm actually glad you feel the need to take the book in small doses. One thing I hate in crime novels is inconsequential violence, violence used only to excite readers and keep them turning pages. I try very hard to make the violence in my work feel real, and violence in real life is disturbing. In novels, when two men fight it's often exciting and meant to be. In real life, it's sloppy and unpleasant and afterwards they sit shaking with tears in their eyes. There is guilt and there is shame. And sometimes the man in the right doesn't win. That to me is much more interesting.
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08-08-2012 05:17 PM
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Catherine111 wrote:
Okay, I am back. I finished this week’s chapters last night. I have never read this author before and I really do not know how far he is willing to go. I am reading slow and taking in small doses --- fearful as I turn the pages of what I might find. I’m usually not so faint-hearted. I’ve read things like Helter Skelter (horrifying and compelling at the same time), and one of my all-time favorite books is In Cold Blood (also horrifying and compelling), so I really can’t put a finger on why the book is having such an impact on me.
Anyway, I agree with much of what has already been said here, so I don’t want to repeat too much. I do want to point out one thing that is really sticking with me --- Ian’s dealings with Andy. I think we get an interesting glimpse into the inner workings of Ian in that particular scene. He has a lot of pent up anger and already we see he is not willing to “play by the rules.” I'm keeping that in mind as I continue reading.
Thanks for the comment, Catherine.
I'm actually glad you feel the need to take the book in small doses. One thing I hate in crime novels is inconsequential violence, violence used only to excite readers and keep them turning pages. I try very hard to make the violence in my work feel real, and violence in real life is disturbing. In novels, when two men fight it's often exciting and meant to be. In real life, it's sloppy and unpleasant and afterwards they sit shaking with tears in their eyes. There is guilt and there is shame. And sometimes the man in the right doesn't win. That to me is much more interesting.
Ryan, thanks for this explaination. Wow it really just sunk in. That's why I don't like some crime drama and why The Dispatcher no matter how hard it was to read always made a certain kind of sense to me.
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08-09-2012 01:48 AM
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What's interesting to me is that readers seem to reallyhate Henry, and I never felt that way about him. I understand it, of course, he's not a nice guy. But to me his motives are somehow sympathetic despite his actions. That doesn't mean, however, that I'd want to share a beer with him!
As much as I thought that Henry was a horrific person for everything he has done, I too found myself feeling a little sympathetic toward him when reading about the loss of his own daughter and how he was only trying to help Beatrice cope with the death since she had always stood by him no matter what. Obviously he was not a sane, rational person though to even think for a second that kidnapping another child would be the solution to his wife's problems. Any sympathy I may have felt for Henry disappeared though when reading how cruel he was to Maggie and after that I couldn't help but hate the person he had let himself become.