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02-25-2010 04:52 PM
Hi Lauren!
Let me start off by saying I absolutely LOVED your book. Now, when I was finished with it, one of my best friends stole it from me and had a question about it. I kinda have my own theories about it, but when I told her about this thing she asked me if I could relay the question to you. She wants to know why, when Sam dies, she sees that girl's face as her "flashback" of sorts? Thank you so much!
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02-25-2010 05:57 PM
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Hi Lauren!
Let me start off by saying I absolutely LOVED your book. Now, when I was finished with it, one of my best friends stole it from me and had a question about it. I kinda have my own theories about it, but when I told her about this thing she asked me if I could relay the question to you. She wants to know why, when Sam dies, she sees that girl's face as her "flashback" of sorts? Thank you so much!
The fact that Sam sees the girl's face--and remembers in that split-second a meaningless moment, a moment that is suggestive of all the pettiness and cruelty that children and teens are capable of--is supposed to be a sign that there is much for her to resolve and redeem in her own life. That is why, at the end, she sees other things: images that are more meaningful and resonant to her. Does that make sense?
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02-27-2010 04:41 AM
Hi Lauren!
I wanted to thank you for joining us this month. I didn't want to read this thread until I was finished with the book. I followed the reading schedule until two nights ago and then I just had to finish it. Wow! Congratulations on a terrific book that I'm sure will be a big success. I thought it was great on it's own but for me the experience is even better with these discussions and your comments. I was very intrigued by your introductory post where you mentioned that you had written the early chapters with the intention of the reader not liking Sam and her friends. That made me even more curious!
Although this is considered a YA read I think you've provided an interesting story for any age group. I plan to share it with my teenage children and nieces as well as my mom and sister-in-law. It will be so interesting to compare our different perspectives as parents, grandparents, teens/students and teachers. I will be adding my review to my book blog as well. I've already noticed an impressive positive response in the blogging community. That's always a good thing! I will also be happy to mention to the youth librarian at my local library. She's always interested in what the hot topics are among the bloggers so she can plan ahead. Before I Fall is one of them!
This is a book I'll be reading again, and that's rare for me. You provided so many details that came up throughout the seven days and I want to go back and see what I missed. I marked several passages that I thought were so well written. One of my favorites that I've already mentioned in another thread, is from chapter 5 on page 285.
It amazes me how easy it is for things to change...
maybe all of these possibilities exist at the same time...
Thank you again Lauren and best wishes! I look forward to Delrium in 2011!
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02-27-2010 10:13 AM
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Hi Lauren!
I wanted to thank you for joining us this month. I didn't want to read this thread until I was finished with the book. I followed the reading schedule until two nights ago and then I just had to finish it. Wow! Congratulations on a terrific book that I'm sure will be a big success. I thought it was great on it's own but for me the experience is even better with these discussions and your comments. I was very intrigued by your introductory post where you mentioned that you had written the early chapters with the intention of the reader not liking Sam and her friends. That made me even more curious!
Although this is considered a YA read I think you've provided an interesting story for any age group. I plan to share it with my teenage children and nieces as well as my mom and sister-in-law. It will be so interesting to compare our different perspectives as parents, grandparents, teens/students and teachers. I will be adding my review to my book blog as well. I've already noticed an impressive positive response in the blogging community. That's always a good thing! I will also be happy to mention to the youth librarian at my local library. She's always interested in what the hot topics are among the bloggers so she can plan ahead. Before I Fall is one of them!
This is a book I'll be reading again, and that's rare for me. You provided so many details that came up throughout the seven days and I want to go back and see what I missed. I marked several passages that I thought were so well written. One of my favorites that I've already mentioned in another thread, is from chapter 5 on page 285.
It amazes me how easy it is for things to change...
maybe all of these possibilities exist at the same time...
Thank you again Lauren and best wishes! I look forward to Delrium in 2011!
Wow--thank you so much. Your response to the book is exactly what I hoped for--I can't tell you how much your desire to share the book with your family means to me. This is, I think, the purpose of books and any kind of artistic endeavor in general--they achieve personal significance, hopefully, but they can also be ways in which we access sharing and a broader community. They allow us to participate in something bigger than ourselves.That's one of the things I've been struck by when participating in this forum...all of us in separate places, able to speak and share about the same thing and feel connected that way. For lack of a better phrase: it's pretty friggin' awesome.
Anyway...thanks so much for reading and thank you (in advance) for helping to spread the word about BIF...I can only hope other readers have similar experiences to you!
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02-27-2010 11:35 AM
Dear Lauren,That was just such a beautiful posting by Wrightly.The thoughts and sentiments,are felt by me,and surely your BIF readers.I did reread the Prologue,and my daughter is going to read"Before I Fall" this week,..I have not said much to her..So it will be exciting to hear her interpretation .She is an avid reader,and I know BIF will affect her,given her age and closer to some of the situations than I am.Not to say that I didn't feel all of their pain and joy....Have a Great Weekend...See you next week on board...Vtc Susan
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02-27-2010 12:42 PM
Did you feel it was important to have the girls not be "first timers" for drinking and smoking? I would have liked the book even better if it was their first party with alcohol. Love the book, so does my fifteen-year-old daughter.
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02-27-2010 01:52 PM
Yes it does, thank you so so so so much from me and my friend! I'll pass the response along to her!
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02-28-2010 11:30 AM
Vermontcozy wrote:
Dear Lauren,That was just such a beautiful posting by Wrightly.The thoughts and sentiments,are felt by me,and surely your BIF readers.I did reread the Prologue,and my daughter is going to read"Before I Fall" this week,..I have not said much to her..So it will be exciting to hear her interpretation .She is an avid reader,and I know BIF will affect her,given her age and closer to some of the situations than I am.Not to say that I didn't feel all of their pain and joy....Have a Great Weekend...See you next week on board...Vtc Susan
Oh--I love that you will be sharing in this experience with her! I love it when both parents and their children read the book. Thank you for passing it along. I hope she draws some meaning and enjoyment from it. ![]()
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02-28-2010 11:37 AM
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Did you feel it was important to have the girls not be "first timers" for drinking and smoking? I would have liked the book even better if it was their first party with alcohol. Love the book, so does my fifteen-year-old daughter.
The decision was left about craft than it was about realism, and recollections of my own high school experience.I grew up in a town very similar to the one depicted in BIF--a town of wealthy professionals, primarily, 30 minutes north of New York City. We had a great school district; a disproportionate number of the kids who graduate from my high school go on to the Ivy League. But we partied, too. I attended my first party with alcohol as a freshman, when I was only thirteen (I was young for my year). By the time I was a senior in high school, I had been to countless parties (I also had a fake ID so I could get into bars, as did all of my friends).
So again, in this instance I was basing Sam's experiences off of my own recollections of high school life, terrifying as I can imagine they might be for some parents! And of course I recognize that not all high school students drink and smoke--but I felt Sam's friends would.
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02-28-2010 09:59 PM
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02-28-2010 10:02 PM
How does it feel to have your book coming out in less than one month?
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02-28-2010 11:39 PM
Lauren-Oliver wrote:
nookerIA wrote:Did you feel it was important to have the girls not be "first timers" for drinking and smoking? I would have liked the book even better if it was their first party with alcohol. Love the book, so does my fifteen-year-old daughter.
The decision was left about craft than it was about realism, and recollections of my own high school experience.I grew up in a town very similar to the one depicted in BIF--a town of wealthy professionals, primarily, 30 minutes north of New York City. We had a great school district; a disproportionate number of the kids who graduate from my high school go on to the Ivy League. But we partied, too. I attended my first party with alcohol as a freshman, when I was only thirteen (I was young for my year). By the time I was a senior in high school, I had been to countless parties (I also had a fake ID so I could get into bars, as did all of my friends).
So again, in this instance I was basing Sam's experiences off of my own recollections of high school life, terrifying as I can imagine they might be for some parents! And of course I recognize that not all high school students drink and smoke--but I felt Sam's friends would.
Lauren, Thank you for your honesty! I was shocked to read some comments by others that the content of your book was shockers to them. I found the content to be what I experienced in school from middle school through high school and I gradutated in 1982. My son's generation is experiencing the same things today and he graduates in May 2010.
I went to many parties too. I had my fake ID and went to clubs at the age of 15 right here in Atlanta, Georgia. Fortunately, I experienced it, so I can help my own child and know most of the signs.
The partying and the mean spirited stuff is not something new. It's not something you made up for your book. It's really happening and people that haven't experienced such things need to realize that kids are experiencing these things every day in school with their peers. Parents have no idea why their kids are acting the ways they are acting and the content of the book gives a great example of what they are experiencing and making them act the way they act at home.
One parent may have a child that is depressed. They need to delve deeper into what is causing that child's depression. Maybe they are being bullied or experiencing peer pressure to do things. They might have children going to all the parties. Well, that parent needs to know this stuff is happening at those parties.
Knowledge is a powerful thing and you book is chocked full of knowledge of what is happening in the real world on a daily basis!
Thank you,
Lisa in Georgia
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Sadie1 wrote:
Lauren, Thank you for your honesty! I was shocked to read some comments by others that the content of your book was shockers to them. I found the content to be what I experienced in school from middle school through high school and I gradutated in 1982. My son's generation is experiencing the same things today and he graduates in May 2010.
I went to many parties too. I had my fake ID and went to clubs at the age of 15 right here in Atlanta, Georgia. Fortunately, I experienced it, so I can help my own child and know most of the signs.
The partying and the mean spirited stuff is not something new. It's not something you made up for your book. It's really happening and people that haven't experienced such things need to realize that kids are experiencing these things every day in school with their peers. Parents have no idea why their kids are acting the ways they are acting and the content of the book gives a great example of what they are experiencing and making them act the way they act at home.
One parent may have a child that is depressed. They need to delve deeper into what is causing that child's depression. Maybe they are being bullied or experiencing peer pressure to do things. They might have children going to all the parties. Well, that parent needs to know this stuff is happening at those parties.
Knowledge is a powerful thing and you book is chocked full of knowledge of what is happening in the real world on a daily basis!
Thank you,
Lisa in Georgia
I agree Lisa! The honesty is important. Everyone's experiences are different but that doesn't mean our kids' are going to be the same as us. I also graduated in '82 and my kids have graduated in '07, '09 and will in '11 from the same school I did. I wasn't wild but drinking usually started before we were 18 (the legal drinking age way back then). I am now mortified to remember how no one paid much attention to drinking and driving either. I'm so glad that has changed over the years!
One of my best friends has three boys the same ages as mine and she grew up nearby. She didn't go to any parties or drink until college and she was naive enough to think her boys would be the same way. Boy did she ever miss the boat on that one! Her oldest had been drinking for years before she wised up. She didn't think he was a saint she just was naive because that wasn't her experience. She is a terrific mom and an amazing friend and she is at the top of her game now. It's a small town and everyone knows each other so kids don't get away with much without someone noticing.
We want the best for our kids but we should also try to remember what it felt like to be a teenager. It's so easy to think you're mature, responsible and immortal. What a shock it can be looking back now but why would we expect out own kids to actually be more mature than we were? They still need their parents' guidance even as they are learning to spread their wings.
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03-01-2010 11:02 AM
Lauren,
I really like that for each day there was an introduction or synopsis of Sam 's transition to the new day and Sam's feelings. It helped set the tone for that day for me. Why did you add that to each day or what were you intending the reader to understand from these?
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03-03-2010 02:01 AM
Lauren,
I really hope you're still reading/answering because I definitely want you to know how much I loved your book. I was thrilled to see it show up in my store yesterday and can't wait to recommend it. And of course, I have a question if you have the time. Two girls died on day one. Why was Sam chosen to relive her last day in order to save Juliet, instead of vice versa? Or maybe even both of them reliving it, just to come to some truce or friendship somewhere in the middle once they realized they were suffering from the same affliction?
Oh, also, will you or Harper be publishing a reading group guide? I am running a Teen Book Club this summer and would love for Before I Fall to be a selection.
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03-03-2010 08:43 AM
VtCozy Wrote: Thats great Melissa that "Before I Fall "is already at your BN..The question you posed,has been one that has been on my mind as well..I just have "Juliet as either one who has not crossed over yet,and is also giving some comfort to Sam,struggling to save her,making it right,before Sam is gone from our lives forever..i would also like to know if a Reading Guide will be published.I am a volunteer at an Alternative Teen Group in Vt..and that might help them enormously..Vtc Susan
melissas wrote:Lauren,
I really hope you're still reading/answering because I definitely want you to know how much I loved your book. I was thrilled to see it show up in my store yesterday and can't wait to recommend it. And of course, I have a question if you have the time. Two girls died on day one. Why was Sam chosen to relive her last day in order to save Juliet, instead of vice versa? Or maybe even both of them reliving it, just to come to some truce or friendship somewhere in the middle once they realized they were suffering from the same affliction?
Oh, also, will you or Harper be publishing a reading group guide? I am running a Teen Book Club this summer and would love for Before I Fall to be a selection.
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03-04-2010 09:55 AM
melissas wrote:Lauren,
I really hope you're still reading/answering because I definitely want you to know how much I loved your book. I was thrilled to see it show up in my store yesterday and can't wait to recommend it. And of course, I have a question if you have the time. Two girls died on day one. Why was Sam chosen to relive her last day in order to save Juliet, instead of vice versa? Or maybe even both of them reliving it, just to come to some truce or friendship somewhere in the middle once they realized they were suffering from the same affliction?
Oh, also, will you or Harper be publishing a reading group guide? I am running a Teen Book Club this summer and would love for Before I Fall to be a selection.
Hi Mellssa ^_^ [I would love to hear about your book club sometime] I have a theory about one of your comments regarding whether or not Juliet was repeating her day the way Sam was.
Personally, I think that Juliet was also reliving her day. Lauren, if you're still reading, I'd love to know if you intentionally laid down clues of that nature for us to pick up on or not.
For example, on page 324:
"Juliet turns to face me then. She's smiling, but it's the saddest smile I've ever seen.
'Maybe next time,' she says. 'But probably not.'"
and then again on page 401:
"...again that veil seems to drop over her face. 'Sorry, Sam. For once this isn't about you....now please leave me alone.'"
This quote is a bit more of a stretch because, imo, Juliet is probably as focused on repeating her own day as Sam is hers. Perhaps neither girl is aware of the fact that they have that in common. In that way, saying that it isn't all about Sam may just be a reflection on Sam's prior personality. Then again, Sam has reached out to Juliet before Day Six, so the way she continues on and asks to be left alone could signify that she did indeed understand what Sam was doing.
Sometimes, I really wonder whether or not Juliet is aware of the fact that Sam is different in the loop. On page 382, it states, "'You're a bitch,' she says quietly, not like an accusation at all, more like something she's sorry about." This might reflect that she's remembering their conversation from the previous day.
In the first chapter when we first encounter Juliet at the party, she states on page 69, "'You heard me. A bitch. A mean girl. A bad person.' Juliet turns to Ally next. 'You're a bitch, too.' To Elody, 'You're a bitch.' She turns her eyes to me and for a second I see something flashing there--something familar--but just as quickly it's gone." Sam wouldn't have made any changes by that point, though, so unless the girls are looping at different times, this one's probably just all in my head. Plus, I'm not sure Juliet would have realized that they were both looping and Sam was different until the final pages of chapter seven when seems as though the two finally connect and Juliet may be aware of it, too.
Anyway, long-winded though that was, it leads to my own question, which is a form of Melissa's. Lauren, I would really love to know if you meant to write Before I Fall in a way that had Juliet looping as well. Was this something you laid down and wanted us to think as readers?
Also, like Melissa, I'm really curious about why Juliet was allowed to live and Sam wasn't. I understand what you've said in the past about changing and knowing she wouldn't live, but what entitled Juliet to continue living? And, in turn, why was it Sam's job to save her in order to (I'm guessing, since the book ends and only you know for sure) stop repeating the day of her death herself?
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03-04-2010 03:38 PM
Hi Lauren and all who are around..Join us in the BIF Community Room for a small party..See you soon..Vtc
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