Reply
Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Well, being an editor really is an ideal job. Especially so, when a manuscript like Joe's Eternal on the Water comes across your desk. It was really thrilling, I have to say, to read it for the first time (and the 5th)..And that to me says it all. Because as an editor, you do have to reread the work in many stages and this novel was always a treat....

 

To me Joe is a writer's writer--every word carefully, economically chosen, conveying meaning on multiple levels, and the worldview put forth here is so unique, complete, exquisitely delineated and satisfying. And still, you read the book for the storyline. Joe has an innate sense of that.

 

 It's what makes my job so exciting, to come across talent like this and be able to help get it out there for everyone to enjoy.

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Well the beauty of the writing is what really caught my eye first, as well as Joe's evidently intimate knowledge of nature, and the way he uses myth. I also found that  the way he created  Cobb and Mary as soulmates was so authentic and convincing, it was really refreshing. And then, of course, the impossible course their lives were on....

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

The question is, How do mistakes get through into finished books?

 

As far as I know, most books go through at least a revison and line editing, copying and page proofing, with a quick look at blues on an editor's part. So one would think with these stages as the minimum, most errors would be caught, But it is possible that one's eye can start to skip over too quickly something that seems familiar. Other than that, I can't really say.

 

For the rare book that is put on a crash schedule, the rush to get it out may shorten the revise process.

 

And there are times when an author just doesn't want to take the particular suggestions of an editor/copyeditor and will insist on stetting the original copy, even if it contains a plot error or timeline error, for instance. Strange but true. Of course, an author can request corrections if a book goes back to press, so it's already helpful to let the publisher know. But obviously it's better to catch the mistake before publication. t.

 

 That's the best answer I can think of.

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

We are finalizing his schedule now. I believe he will be in Concord NH on 2/25 signing at Gibson's (He might not know this yet!)...

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Eagan

I read all manuscripts with an open mind, but I have to confess that I am not one of these people who, in most cases, can read only 50 pages and know if is is good. Most of my reading, of course, is unpublished material and so I am looking for what is going to hook a reader's interest as much as the writing style, unless the style is clearly below publishing quality.

 

In Joe's case I knew right off the bat I had a winner because of the quality of the writing and the appeal of the storyline. This makes it so much easier to champion a manuscript in an editorial meeting, rather than to have to couch one's enthusiasm with, e.g. it needs work with the pacing, or it's in a genre that we are having difficulty selling.

 

With regard to revisions, I don't think I can even think without a pencil in my hand, I've been at this so long I probably make little typo, grammar  corrections as I read first time through, But I also will jot down major plot points or pacing or thoughts, even before I buy something. Because if, in your opinion,  a book needs work from the very beginning, you want to share that information with the agent/author right off the bat. After it's acquired, I then set aside time for a careful read and it is at the point that it seems you are almost channeling an author and what he or she is trying to do in the book. I feel as if I hear the narrator's voice in my head as I read, be it fiction or nonfiction, and if a false note appears it just leaps out. So I guess I rely a lot on my instincts.

 

Not every author will agree with all the suggestions you make, however--sometimes to delete material to improve the pacing, or add something here or there to clarify motivation, embellish description, fill in a missing but key plot point or time period, or keep a character true to itself. Lots of things.

 

 But if I think something is actually wrong, I will try and persuade him or her to see it differently, if not exactly. as I do. But ultimately, especially in fiction, I almost always defer to the author in the end. With regard to line work, in some cases I find myself writing in what I think is missing and then asking the author to rephrase into their own words/style. A sort of show by example,

 

 In any event, it is all very much a delicate dance, and ultimately, different ears hear things different ways, so in some cases there is no right or wrong, or objective better or worse, just preference. And it's important when to know the difference as an editor ...

Wordsmith
literature
Posts: 499
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan


Kathy-Sagan wrote:

Well, being an editor really is an ideal job. Especially so, when a manuscript like Joe's Eternal on the Water comes across your desk. It was really thrilling, I have to say, to read it for the first time (and the 5th)..And that to me says it all. Because as an editor, you do have to reread the work in many stages and this novel was always a treat....

 

To me Joe is a writer's writer--every word carefully, economically chosen, conveying meaning on multiple levels, and the worldview put forth here is so unique, complete, exquisitely delineated and satisfying. And still, you read the book for the storyline. Joe has an innate sense of that.

 

 It's what makes my job so exciting, to come across talent like this and be able to help get it out there for everyone to enjoy.


You described Joe's style of writing and the book itself so beautifully.  I loved the book and the knowledge of Mary's death did belong at the beginning.    I found the book very thought provoking and emotional and felt like I had a personal relationship with each of the characters from the start.  The problem with reading a book like this is how do you go on to reading the next book?  Is there anything out there that will compare and do I really want to be removed from these people's lives?

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

I think one of the things that I try to do when working with a writer is to try and make sure that whatever themes or ideas, both large and small, he or she is trying to convey in the work, are  written in a way that is clear to the reader, without sacrificing style. So I guess I emphasize accessibility, which is different than simplify....

 

I also have an author look closely to see that everything included is there for a reason and in the right measure....

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Bonnie

 

I think it's a terrific boon for Eternal on the Water to be chosen for First Look. I am so impressed with how many readers have been so actively engaged with the characters and their story. I also hope the word of mouth will spread, because this is the kind of novel that will stay with you and also makes for a great book club pick

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Actually when you read a great manuscript, it just stands out so clearly. I am always looking for a fresh voice, compelling theme, engaging plot, the chance to learn more about the world. All the reasons why any reader would want to read it.

 

As for suggesting changes, I always assume my thoughts are welcome and usually they are! So I don't see it as difficult to suggest revisions, but rather part of my job to help shepherd a manuscript through the process of becoming a great book.  There are so many other components that go into getting the book out there, from the sales reps to publicity and if lucky, promotion, tot eh vagaries of the marketplace, that you want a book to be the best it can be to give it the best chance.

Inspired Bibliophile
Vermontcozy
Posts: 5,258
Registered: ‎10-20-2008
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan


Kathy-Sagan wrote:

We are finalizing his schedule now. I believe he will be in Concord NH on 2/25 signing at Gibson's (He might not know this yet!)...


 

VtCozy wrote..Its been great learning so much about the process.from your desk to our experience with "Eternal on the Water" as one reader wrote,it is meant to be sipped.I have put off finishing it,but will very soon..It has captured my heart...I have been signed up for simonandschuster.com newsletters ever since Becca Fitzgerald Hush,Hush author was part of our FL..I just signed up for email alerts about Joseph's Book  signing schedule and other info...Will ask Joseph if he has considered a website...Its helps the "Obsessed' keep up with favorite Authors.. :  ) .Thanks so much for being here and explaining the process...Susan.vermontcozy

Kindness,I've discovered,is everything in life...Issac Bashevis Singer
Contributor
msw888
Posts: 14
Registered: ‎12-01-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Yes, I agree. I wish the middle was longer. I wanted to spend more time with Mary and Cobb.

Frequent Contributor
Leeza14
Posts: 45
Registered: ‎12-01-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

 


Kathy-Sagan wrote:

Well the beauty of the writing is what really caught my eye first, as well as Joe's evidently intimate knowledge of nature, and the way he uses myth. I also found that  the way he created  Cobb and Mary as soulmates was so authentic and convincing, it was really refreshing. And then, of course, the impossible course their lives were on....


 

 

Hello, Kathy.  Thank you for joining us. 

 

I wanted to comment on the beauty of Joe's writing because I agree wholeheartedly.  As I was reading, there were some passages so melodic that I had to read them out loud!  I don't do that often with a book, but this one deserved it. 

 

I also very much enjoyed how he showed the passage of time after Yellowstone.  Did I read this was partially your idea?  It fit perfectly -- we needed to understand time was passing and therefore Mary's disease was progressing, but it was such a positive passing of time despite it all.  All those activities showed us that Mary was living up to her promise to live, really live, until the end.  What a lesson for us all. 

 

Thanks again for your insights.  I am enjoying your comments. 

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

I just wanted to spend more time with Mary and Cobb so it was my thought for Joe to expand this section, but just how to do that was all his own...

Distinguished Bibliophile
Peppermill
Posts: 6,768
Registered: ‎04-04-2007
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

[ Edited ]

 


Kathy-Sagan wrote:

We are finalizing his schedule now. I believe he will be in Concord NH on 2/25 signing at Gibson's (He might not know this yet!)...


 

LOL!

 

(Bold added.)

"Seize the moments of happiness, love and be loved! That is the only reality in the world, all else is folly. It is the one thing we are interested in here." -- Leo Tolstoy
Distinguished Wordsmith
MSaff
Posts: 272
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

  Hi Kathy,

 

  Welcome to our little corner of the literary world.  You have definitely found a wonderful author in Joseph.  His writing style is Great.  I just wanted to say that I am really enjoying Eternal of the Water, and I hope that our discussions are beneficial to both you and Joseph.

 

  Again Thank you for allowing us to read and discuss this wonderful story.

 

 

Mike
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
http://travelswithcarsandbooks.blogspot.com/
Correspondent
Sadie1
Posts: 74
Registered: ‎07-16-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Kathy, I couldn't of said it any better than you of how this book made me feel.  Simply beautiful and ditto to what you said.  I am ready to read it again..it's that good!

 

I can't wait to read more writings by Joseph Monninger.  He does have a way with words and story telling like I have not seen before.

 

Lisa in Georgia

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

 
Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Mike

 

I have really been amazed by the outpouring of support everyone in the First Look online community has given Joe's novel. The comments are so thought provoking. It is so gratifying to be able to reach out and "talk" with readers so directly and listen to everyone's opinions. Fiction is indeed live and well here. It's wonderful. 

Contributor
Kathy-Sagan
Posts: 17
Registered: ‎10-28-2009
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

I can;t wait to read more myself.

Scribe
DSaff
Posts: 2,048
Registered: ‎10-19-2006
0 Kudos

Re: Questions for Kathy Sagan

Kathy,  I know your time with us is short and I wanted to thank you for your work in this book. It is amazing and I don't want it to end. Thank you also for your time this week. We really appreciate it!  :smileyhappy:

 

DonnaS =) " Reading is a means of thinking with another person's mind; it forces you to stretch your own." Charles Scribner
"A book is like a garden carried in the pocket." Chinese Proverb
My blog: http://bookworm56.blogspot.com