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Turtle Freddy, Lamb and Saving the Coral Reef

 

What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?


 

Freddy is believable as Mary's sister, in their shared interest in science, love of natural settings, zest for life.  I'm not sure you can know what to "expect" from a sibling, though;  many are so different you would think they grew up in different households.  I'm sure I would like Freddy;  he is enthusiastic about his work, lives what he believes, loves and shares openly, cares about others.  (As I mention elsewhere, he is yet another "perfect" character.  All these good traits, loving and supportive of his sister, etc.)

 

I think often people have both a profound feeling for what they are engaged in, and yet are able to joke about it.  Medical personnel make macabre jokes all the time;   teachers can tell tales of their students and especially the parents! without mentioning names, of course  :-)    It just isn't possible to be so totally serious about your everyday life all the time;  you have to be able to see the contradictions, the posturing, the boot-licking necessary, the politicking, all the downsides that are the meat of humor. 

 

I really enjoyed this section of the book.  I lived in Florida, on the Atlantic coast, for a few years and the challenge of protecting the sea turtles is very much a cause there.  If you ever see one of these ancient creatures come ashore and build her nest in the moonlight, you will never forget it.  Freddy has built himself quite a beautiful and meaningful life. 

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?I believe both Freddy and Mary have a zest for life. He wasn't exactly what I thought he'd be, but I love him though!...He's outgoing, loves his sister, loves the ocean and has a zest for life and doing the right thing.


Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

From what I understand they are dating but live separately. I'm not sure exactly who she is as a character but waiting to find out.

 

What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles?

He has love and respect for the reef and especially the turtles.

 

 

 

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 

No, I guess not. But he also didn't blow my mind away. I think the author was going for the shock effect when creating Freddy this big scary fellow with a heart of gold, and brains to boot, but I have come across this type so many times before, and frankly much better ones then Freddy that i was kind of disappointed. He was stereotyped and was very shallow, I thought. 

 

The banter between him and Mary made me quite uncomfortable; from my knowledge of how siblings are with each other their relationship was more that of lovers then of brother and sister. and also a bit cheesy.

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 

Lamb was the typical girlfriend in this situation; small, foreign and angry, and the typical relationship - her getting upset with Freddy, him not taking her serious and inside they only mean well and love each other. Pretty boring stuff. 

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

 

Actually Freddy reminds me a lot of Jack in the show "Men in Trees", he was doing a porno film of Otters having sex, cause someone had the idea that if you show the tape to otters who wouldn't have sex it would get them to get it on, and the guy was still a very serious guy who took his job seriously, and had a good heart and was sweet.

 

Anyway, what I'm trying to say by that is that I didn't think anything of how Freddy was, I was already familiar with characters who behaved like that. Only thing it did was remind me of "Men in Trees" and how much I miss that show.

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 

Yes, I thought he would be a free spirit. He was presented as a big, hulking island dude with a softer side ... his love of turtles, the environment and his sister. He is over protective and I would venture a guess that he already knows that Mary is sick.

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 

I just saw this as the typical relationship. They obviously care for one another and she seems to be his girlfriend of sorts.

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

 

He respects the environment, reef and turtles. His donors are a means to an ends ... they are not necessarily interested in his cause ... they like the appearance of doing good.

 

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Mary and her brother seem very much alike - they certainly had an interesting childhood experiences that inspired their lives as adults !!

 

I don't think we found much at all about Lamb as a character.  I kept wondering: is she really happy, or is she just very realistic where Freddy and Mary are adventurous and childlike still?

 

 

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 

I don't know if I expected anything about Freddy prior to meeting him. Sometimes siblings are alike, and sometimes they are not. He is a character like many, the exterior does not necessarily match the interior. I did like him though, and appreciate that he is a free spirit. I know many people, including myself, yearn for a life away from the 9-5 cubicle, but how many would just leave everything you know and move to Indonesia? Not many.

 

I find that Freddy is like Mary in their relationship, excitement and curiousity towards nature and their free spirits. Perhaps it was growing up with a father who had Huntington's and the idea that they themselves may suffer the same fate that led to their imaginations, pull towards animals who do not appear to be affected by disease and of course, their free spirits.

 

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 

Lamb is someone that I was curious about, and never fully satisfied with. She was a little bit of window dressing without much substance (I feel that I didn't get to know her). Why did she treat Freddy the way she did? What did she do for a living? What happened in her life that groomed her into the person she is today? 

 

 

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I love Freddy, he is such a hoot! And the whole family are free thinking individuals who are so different but obviously very close. There is a quote on page 153 from Joan telling Cobb about Freddy. "You'll like my son, by the way. He's a crazy boy, but he's full of life. I never understood where they came from."

I would describe him as a passionate person who found his niche or his reason for that passion and he fights for it with everything he is.

I don't think we get a good picture of Lamb for a reason,it makes her more mysterious for us.  She's sort of Freddy's muse in an irreverent sort of way and I don't think he could be who he is without her.

Freddy is able to laugh at himself because he's sure of who he is and what his purpose is, as far as the donors are concerned I think he thinks of them as a necessary evil.

His attitude toward the reef and the turtles is obvious, he intends to save them and watch out if you plan on stopping him.

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I liked Freddy. He is quarky, you can tell that he and Mary are siblings. He kind of floated into his possition in the islands, gives the appearance of being unsettled, but actually he is well grounded in who he is and what he is doing with his life. It is hard to understand Freddy's relationship with Lamb. She "took him in" so to speak, and then the relationship developed from there. I feel there is real affection between them, but they both still desire their independence. MG
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Another question for the group: Is there any question around Freddy suffering from Huntington's? Has this been explained somewhere else in the novel?

 

He did leave the States shortly after his father's death, but while I was reading, I thought of this only in terms of his response to grief, not in terms of his possibly grappling with his own mortality.

 

So far, despite their location, I'd lay my money on Freddy being the bear. Possibly Lamb, too.

 

 

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Rachel-K wrote:

Another question for the group: Is there any question around Freddy suffering from Huntington's? Has this been explained somewhere else in the novel?


I never even considered him having the disease, Mary never mentioned him when she was talking about her condition, neither did her mom on the phone, it seemed always a given that he was the healthy one. 
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I got the idea from the bar game on page 183 that Freddy talked to Cobb about that he didn't have it, the bar game was picking to know when or how you would die.  And knowing Freddy I think he'd want to know.

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I feel like Freddy loved his sister very much and wanted her to have the dignity and grace at the end as she has had thoughout her life.  I think the wilderness and wildlife is what helped them to deal with what was happening in thier lives.  Without talking aout it directly.  I don't think Freddy wanted Cobb to play the game as much as understand that Mary was playing it.

 

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?  I really loved Freddy!  He seemed like the just how you would picture her brother to be.  He was fun and quirky and loving all the same.  He seemed like the perfect brother to have.

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

I think that their relationship was wonderful and beautiful.  Lamb is the sweet island girl who fell in love with the American who was grieving the loss of his father.  They found a common bond and passion and genuinely care about each other.

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

I really think that the turtles is a metaphor here for what he can't do for his sister.  He can't nurse her back to health.  She is going to die and he has come to terms with this.  The turtles are a way for him to relate and help out part of nature to continue.  He is passionate and giving of himself just like Mary is.

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Does Freddy have Huntington's? I will hazard a guess and so no. My reason being that no one has mentioned it ... I believe that if the mom had Mary tested, she also had Freddy tested ... she would have mentioned both to Cobb.
I think that Freddy is the type who would want to know ... that being said, I think he knows that he does not have it ... although Freddy appears to be a free-spirit, he is in his job for the long haul ... he truly cares about what he was doing and if he felt he was not going to be around, he either would not have started or he would have found/trained someone else ... neither of which happened.

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Another question for the group: Is there any question around Freddy suffering from Huntington's? Has this been explained somewhere else in the novel?

 

He did leave the States shortly after his father's death, but while I was reading, I thought of this only in terms of his response to grief, not in terms of his possibly grappling with his own mortality.

 

So far, despite their location, I'd lay my money on Freddy being the bear. Possibly Lamb, too.

 

 


 

 

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What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

 I wasn't sure what to expect of Freddy before reading the chapters in Indonesia. His description didn't match my initial expectations but it stopped bothering me early on. Freddy strikes me as a throw-back to the 70's...very hippie in both appearance and attitude. I definitely like his characer.

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

 I'm not really sure what the relationship is between Freddy and Lamb. It was stated early in Chapter 9 that she was his girlfriend but it seems like a strange relationship. She seems very bossy and distant.

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

I think Freddy is in it just for the purpose of saving the turtles and he will do whatever needs to be done to that end. Whether it's making films or hosting the donors, he knows how to play the game. I loved the image of him releasing the turtles into the wild as seen in the following quote:

            "He touched them as they moved, not to stop them, but to say good-bye."

            "Freddy had done this, had given them a chance, and his body curved in 

             tenderness as they passed."  (pg.172)

 

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Rachel-K wrote:

 

What do you make of Freddy as Mary's brother? Is he who/what you might expect? How would you describe him?

Freddy seemed like a character out of the age of Aquarius. He could easily pass for a flower child from the 60's. They were lovable and peace loving people who soldiered on, in spite of obstacles, to do good deeds. Sometimes they also flaunted rules which made them not so lovable and they often lived as they pleased without regard for society.  I expected him to march to the beat of another drummer from various other comments made in the book before we met him.

Although he seems to be a square peg in a round hole, he has accomplished a lot and his heart is sure in the right place. He seems to care about the right things and doesn't get bogged down in minutiae.

 

Do you get any clear sense of Freddy and Lamb's relationship, or who Lamb is, as a character?

I think the author gave us as much as we needed to know about their relationship. She has been helpful to him and seems to keep him in line. Her rigidity is complemented by his free spirit. I thought they seemed quite comfortable as a team and perhaps a pair...I wasn't sure if the relationship was romantic, but I didn't think it made a difference to the story. They worked well together and created an interesting mystique.

 

Although we have spent all of the novel in beautiful outdoor settings, this is the first place in the novel we come across a character working for an ecological cause. How is it that Freddy seems both to make fun of his own efforts--filming, for example, "donor porn" to show the release of the turtles--and then show his own obvious depth of genuine emotion about letting the turtles go? What is Freddy's attitude toward his own role? What is his attitude toward the reef and the turtles? What is his attitude toward his donors?

I had the feeling that Freddie would have been devoted to the turtles with or without those donors and would have found a way to protect them using his own devices, no matter what. He seemed to like them better or maybe respect them more, than most humans. Freddie liked simple things, without encumbrances and nature was his prime consideration. I am not so sure he was making fun of himself in the filming of the turtles as much as he was being self deprecating to accomplish his goal.

I think the preservation of the reef would have been important to him with or without the turtles and the turtles would have meant a great deal to him with or without the reef. Luckily, the health of the reef provided the means to save the turtles. He seemed like such a simple man or rather a man with simple tastes who wanted to live in harmony with his environment.

 


 

 

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Freddie, to me, is a free as a bird type of person. He doesn't really " work" and he seems to have fun all the time. His main cause is the sea turtles as a lot of them get eaten as they crawl from the nest on the beaches to the surf. He takes care of them for 2 years and watches them grow and then releases them as they have a better chance to survive. This cause is basically funded by donors who sometimes fly in to his little paradise and make sure their money is being spent wisely. He wines and dines them and then they go away. He does do filming of the turtles for the donors so they can see the efforts he puts forth. To me, he is totally different from his sister. She cracks jokes and he drinks a lot. But he respects Cobb for all his efforts in staying with his sister. He knows she has the disease but I'm not sure if he does or not.

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Rachel-K wrote:

Another question for the group: Is there any question around Freddy suffering from Huntington's? Has this been explained somewhere else in the novel?

 

 

Hmmm, that is an interesting point. When it crossed my mind, as I was reading, I thought I might possibly have missed a reference to him and the disease. I assumed it would be referred to again, at some point, when it was more pertinent. Maybe I will go back and skim to see if there is a mention.

Well, I looked back and on p. 181, Mary says she wants to remember Freddie with his arms outstrectched, saying goodbye (to the turtles). I wonder if that wasn't foreshadowing that she is going to die first.

Freddie indicates on p. 183 that Mary is lucky to have someone like Cobb, who will lead her gently out of this world and says she is luckier than both of them. Because of that, I assume he has no idea about whether or not he has the disease, or perhaps doesn't. (I think here, I agree with dhaupt.) If Freddie knew, I would think that he would have acknowledged that Lamb would lead him gently from this world when necessar or at least would not said she was luckier than both of them. Now I am sufficiently curious to immediately begin reading the rest of the book to find out!

 

He did leave the States shortly after his father's death, but while I was reading, I thought of this only in terms of his response to grief, not in terms of his possibly grappling with his own mortality.

I think I felt he was running away from the grief to come, as well.

 

So far, despite their location, I'd lay my money on Freddy being the bear. Possibly Lamb, too.

Then who is Wally, a lioness, perhaps, looking after her cubs?

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Freddy is one of my favorite characters. This made the characters of Mary and Cobb believable for me.

I wasn't sure about the love at first sight, or their relationship. But Freddy as a relative and the interactions on the island, set up Mary and Cobb's characters. Excellence part of this book.

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