Middle Chapters: 10 - 19

[Rachel-K]

Please use any of the following questions to open a discussion--or please feel free to share your own observations and questions!

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

[Facepalm]

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

 Not very good at it. The attempt to read patch's files was useless. They did learn a teensy bit at Borderline, though. Like that patch doesn't have any felonies or misdemeanors on his record.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

 Not at all.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

I didn't know for sure at this point, but I did have a hunch that Miss Greene had something to do with the female/feminine walk person outside the Victoria's Secret.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

 Stop hanging out with patch. Get a restraining order. Nothing good has happened since he showed up.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

 Just how he died.

[dhaupt]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

These two characters are still very much a mystery to me, although I do think that Elliot was involved in Kjristen's death.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

They remind me of the three stooges trying to solve a mystery, they might get it done in the end but they'll have to bungle their way there.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

I would have taken the incident much harder than Vee seems to, wether she's just trying to sound not afraid or she really isn't I don't know. I don't think her level headedness has increased at all, but then I wouldn't have followed someone into a cemetery either.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

I still have more questions then answers, so I'm just waiting until they get answered later on in the book.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

Well as her mother or her friend I would tell her to be very careful, but I also know that she feels that she HAS to find out what's going on. It's frustrating to walk in on an intruder who destroys your room, only to find out that it was in your mind.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

We know he was an accountant who was murdered in Portland buying her mother a gift, other than that he's a mystery too.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

It does to an extent with the scars on his back and with his telepathy with Nora, but I just don't think that Becca has made him evil in her descriptions of him or of his interactions with others. Maybe he'll take a 360º turn later on.

[wendyreads09]

here do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

Elliot and Jules fit in somehow because they seem to always show up and are trying to distract them.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

Vee does not handle any situation very well.  Definitely does not make her more level headed.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

At this point, everyone is a suspect.  Elliot, Patch, Jules and even Ms. Greene.  Could be any of those people following her.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

Stay away from Patch.  He seems to have brought all this danger upon Nora since he arrived.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

The description of "Fallen Angels" definitely fits the description for Patch.  He can put thoughts into her head and always call her Angel.

[Zia01]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve? I'm not sure they fit in much at this point other than being interested in Nora and Vee.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative? LOL They are not the best at sluething at all.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not? I think it scared her and ticked her off at the same time. I don't see her becoming more level-headed because of it.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her? I'm not sure at this point. I can't make up my mind between Elliot and Patch.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing? I think she's not being very smart about it. Not telling anyone seems so dangerous.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father? Other than him being killed, not really no.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?  A bit yeah with the unexplained scars and his being able to get into her mind.

[Bonnie824]

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rkubie wrote:

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

They are also new and possibly suspicious characters. Vee and Nora just can't agree on whether they are good or bad.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

Not good. You would think they could do better on the internet.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

She seems even more bossy and belligerant.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

Don't be alone with anyone you don't know. Don't go anywhere you're not comfortable. Talk to your mom.

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[Jessica_BookLo…]

Nora and Vee are not very good at sleuthing. Their efforts come across as more dangerous than informative. But that doesn't mean it isn't entertaining and funny. The lengths that Vee is willing to go to is almost unbelievable.

The threat on Vee doesn't make her more level-headed at all. In a way, she only seems to get more stupid!  Even when Nora brings evidence in favor of them staying away from Elliot and Jules, the more Vee seems to want to hang out with them.  She seemed very selfish in that respect and didn't care at all about her best friend's feelings or concerns.

It was really kind of hard to learn the answers to the questions that Nora was trying to answer. Many times it seemed to me that she was jumping to conclusions before she really had anything to go on and it was a little annoying.

[melissas]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

It seems suspicious to me that they have all only just met, but the boys seem to be eager to spend as much time as possible with the girls. It's as if they want to distract them from their main objectives.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

They are absolutely awful! I cringe just thinking about Nora and her outfit at the restaurant.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

Vee doesn't seem to be affected by it too much. It's almost as if she thinks it was just a coincidence...wrong place at the wrong time. However, I'm pretty sure someone hurt her on purpose.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

I have no idea who could be following her, although my instincts have told me it is not Patch.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

I'm not sure because I don't know how I would handle those dangers myself. I would probably just suggest that she take a step back to the days where it was just her and Vee, and leave all those other guys out of the picture.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

No more than before.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

Of course!

[7thgradeteacher]

Because I've finished the book I'm going to refrain from answering most of these questions but I do have to comment on Nora and Vee's sleuthing.  I found it almost laughable at points.  Like anyone would buy their plan.  And Nora changing looks just to ask some questions was silly.  Anyone could've seen through her.  I kept thinking - girls really, if this guy (Patch) is dangerous you're putting yourself into a lot more danger going around doing what you're doing.  Then when Vee's incident didn't seem to change much I wanted to shake them.  I'm a mom, so maybe it was just the mom in me coming out. 

I am interested in the full story behind Nora's dad.  Would like to know more.

[NatB]

The sleuthing stuff bugged me.  I just kept thinking, "If you really think this guy is a killer WHY would you want to play spy and most likely get yourself killed?"  Police are a good thing.  I know they had to be a little dense in this book so the sleuthing thing would make a little sense but honestly Eliot had been implicated in a murder already I think they would have listened to her concerns about him.

[Vermontcozy]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the  senarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve? ,I think at times its a way to direct our thoughts away from the main senario..Nora,Patch,who is he and what does he want and what he is trying to protect her from.....................Nora and Vee's sluthing borders on their frustration(more  Nora than Vee) with not having answers and will try to the best of their limited experience to figure out what is  happening..Vee is scared and used as a pawn by Nora,but she is not in control of her mind fully...............The danger is not really a concern for Nora,only Vee..she is still looking for information.Vee just wants to put the incident behind her and still wants to see Jules and Elliot.,even the murder of that girl is not clouding her mind..she still wants to away with them..Level-headed? No just hormones,normal girl stuff.I really haven't those answers yet but clues are coming together.......A few people a few Fallen Angels,/ ,haven't the answe yet. If Nora would listen to me I would  advise her to protect herself,her Mom and Vee...and her sluthing will continue,just to be careful..but we know thats not possible......I can only imagine,but have no idea..unless of course when I read on..I will know....Vtc

[dbug_13]

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

When it comes to sleuthing, Nora and Vee's skills are virtually nonexistent. Due to their lack of experience in sleuthing, they often find themselves in a troublesome position. Moreover, their efforts to discover more information put them in potentially harmful situations, and often the information they do uncover does not equate to the amount of danger they encounter or possibly could encounter. Additionally, I think that Nora and Vee do not fully comprehend the danger that they are often faced with becauase they have not yet solved the mystery of who, or what, is stalking them.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

After Vee is attacked, she is surprisingly nonchalant about the incident. While she is concerned about revealing the culprit, she does not have near the level of concern and fright that is typical of somone in her situation. Furthermore, she has become increasingly certain that her attacker was Patch despite Nora's insistence that it was someone other than Patch that attacked her.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

So far, not much is known about Nora's father. However, what little bit of information the book has given us about him leads us to believe that he was attacked and murdered while out somewhere shopping. We also know that Nora misses him immensely and that his absence has placed a heavy financial burden upon her and her mother.

[Galleysmith]

Q: Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

I thought the addition of Elliot and Jules add an interesting element to the over all mystery of the story.  One of the most interesting themes that came to me as a result was the battele of good versus bad and dark vs. light.  I liked that their presence made me continue to question which characters were good or bad and who was telling the truth or not.

It was also pretty interesting that Nora was skeptical of them from the beginning, that she wasn't attracted to him in the way she was about Patch.  I didn't get any romantic feelings between them and was pleased for that.  What I didn't want was this story to turn into some love triangle I think that would have detracted from what was so good and that was the mysterious and paranormal elements.

[Galleysmith]

Jessica_BookLover - I wonder, though, if Vee's insistance at being in dangerous sitauations is less of her choosing and more a result of mystical powers of circumstance. I felt throughout, that while she was pretty flighty and not entirely in possession of much common sense she wasn't *that* stupid.  I always had this nagging feeling like at any minute we were going to find out her behavior (as far as the people she trusted and the sitations she was in) were controlled by an outside source.

[melisndav]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?  Just that they seem to be where the girls are at all the time.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?  They are not very good at it.   Yes, because they more that they uncover, the more that seems the more that starts happening to them.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?  Vee wants blood but she believes that Patch is behind it.  And no, it does make her more level headed.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?  Yes.  Dabira.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?  I would tell her to leave well enough alone and leave Elliot and Patch both alone.  Let things just go back to the way they were if possible.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?  Just that he is dead.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?  A little bit.

[Emi-rose]

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

They aren't very good. They seem to stumble their way through things and when they get lucky they find out a very small amount of information. I think its kind of dangerous. 

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

This experience doesn't seem to change her at all. She seems to be her normal reckless self.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

just that he died.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

A lot of it does. The scars match and his voice in her mind matches too. Patch doesn't seem as evil as the description though.

[Vermontcozy]

Does anyone believe as I do,when Nora's room was "Trashed" that it was not in her head,but the work of one of the "Fallen Angels" who can,as spirits do,move objects,trash a room and put it back together in a flash..I do not believe that it was in Nora's "Imagination" that this event and so many others as we know,was in her control.....If this was discussed ,I probably missed it...VTC

[dhaupt]

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Vermontcozy wrote:

Does anyone believe as I do,when Nora's room was "Trashed" that it was not in her head,but the work of one of the "Fallen Angels" who can,as spirits do,move objects,trash a room and put it back together in a flash..I do not believe that it was in Nora's "Imagination" that this event and so many others as we know,was in her control.....If this was discussed ,I probably missed it...VTC

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HI VT,

I've been going over those scenes in my head where the damage done has disappeared and I'm still not sure what I think.

Sometimes I think it really happened and like you said someone made it disappear and then in the next moment I think it happened in her mind. I guess when I finish the book this weekend some of our questions will be answered.

[Vermontcozy]

I haven't finished either..questions will be answered..so glad you are enjoying Hush,Hush..I really don't want to finish...but one must move on....I am going into another Genre this week..Michelle B and some of your posts on Unbashedly Bookish have semi convinced me..what I am missing in my life...I hope also to find a book that will hold my interest as much as Hush,Hush has in this new genre for me..Browsing aroun...Hope all is well...V

[J.R._BookWorm]

1. ?

2. I don't there very good.....

3. ?

4. (I don't wanna ruin it so I can't answer this question)

5. Be carful!

6. Just that he was killed

7. Yeah