Middle Chapters: 10 - 19

[learningdragon]

I have thoroughly enjoyed sleuthing with Nora and Vee. They are the complete opposite of each other. Of the two, Vee is my favorite--she is totally outrageous! Their efforts, I think, may prove to be more dangerous than informative, because Patch's hangouts and friends are a little suspect. Vee's scrape didn't make her any more careful, it seems to have made her more adventurous and defiant. The description found about the angel does seem to fit Patch.

[emma23]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

I'm not really sure

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

 I suspect that either Patch or Elliot are following Nora

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

I would tell her to be cautious and not believe every thing people might say

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

not really

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

yes, the description that she finds on the internet fits patch

[Galleysmith]

That is an interesting observation about Vee remaining reckless as compared to showing some caution as a result of her attack.  One would reason that she would perhaps at the very least have a degree of fear even if she was attempting to be defiant in the face of that event.  I suspect that attitude is likely to get her into more trouble.

[MissShopaholic]

I think Nora's father was murdered by a nephilim. Patch maybe was a good fallen angel (who probably fell in love with Nora and came to earth for her) which may explain why he has no school record.  Kinda like City of Angels.  I don't think the internet description of patch fits because obviously he is the good guy.  I think Elliott and Jules (and the psychologist) are the antagonists probably out to scare and hurt her. but then again these are my guesses.

I don't think Vee and Nora have any investigation skills whatsoever.  I think they're just silly little girls who don't know any better and think life is just a game... especially vee for not taking anything seriously. I think Vee is blinded and boy crazy which isn't helping her see things objectively.

[AIRKNITTER]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?
Elliot and Jules appear to be nothing more than a diversion.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?
Sleuthing? Why not just ask Patch.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?
More level-headed? Vee is not level-headed.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her? Jules is a very creepy fellow.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing? She needs to be honest about her relationship with Patch.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch? Aboslutely, Positively

[Aurora_Paige]

 Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

Well, I find Jules very suspicious. He disappears every time the girls show up, and there isn't much you know about him. I believe part of the idea is to leave the boys a mystery.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee?

Vee seems more enthusiastic about sleuthing, always seeming to want to do the more fun and maybe illegal option. Nora is more nervous and needs more persuasion. Their attempts are usually obvious and aren't very good, but they get the information they need.

Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

I believe that snooping around in Patch's past is dangerous. He seems very secretive, and intends to keep it that way. I think the more they try to learn about him, the more dangerous he could get.

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

Vee is scared by her attack, but it doesn't stop her from her daily activities, such as hanging with with the boys. However, she does become more wary of Patch.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer?

Yes, but I won't say them, in case I am right

Who do you suspect is following her?

I believe it is Elliot. He seems very oriented on what he wants. Maybe he believes if he scares Nora enough, she'll need someone to lean on,m especially if the attacker looks like Patch.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

I would tell her to avoid Elliot and Jules. Jules is too quiet and closed off, and Elliot is too into himself. I believe they are hiding something. I also believe Patch could be dangerous, but I don't think he would hurt Nora.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

We know that he was murdered in Portland. 

Nora's mother claimed she didn't know she really loved him until after she married him.

He wasn't mysterious, and was actually quite serious.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

Yes, such as communicating with his thoughts, and the lust felt towards others.

The scars also contribute.

[Rosei]

Definitely Elliot and Jules are very strange guys, who just suddenly appear and all that surround them sound not really clear. I think that maybe they have a problem with Patch and are trying to call his attention becoming Nora's close friends. But she is quite sure that something about them is not right, although I think that she's getting too involved in to a bad thing. Even Vee's accident doesn't change the way Vee judges those guys. She's still very excited about getting to know them better and she seems to trust them more than she should.

By now, I don't think that Patch is the one following Nora anymore. I see that she is getting in dangerous, but still can't guess who is the person behind the ski mask. Although the description that Nora finds on the internet about Fallen Angels to be bad and dangerous fits to some parts on Patch's behaviour, I don't think he is the one trying to scare her. I think that he likes her in a way that is too protective to be a person who wants to fright her.

[hookedonbooks09]

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NatB wrote:

The sleuthing stuff bugged me.  I just kept thinking, "If you really think this guy is a killer WHY would you want to play spy and most likely get yourself killed?"  Police are a good thing.  I know they had to be a little dense in this book so the sleuthing thing would make a little sense but honestly Eliot had been implicated in a murder already I think they would have listened to her concerns about him.

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LOL!...Isn't this like when you see someone in a movie going down to the basement where they heard a noise and a killer is loose and there's no phone and all the lights just went out?!  You ask yourself, "Why are they not running out the front door instead?"!

Barb

[hookedonbooks09]

I am wondering about the likelihood of Nora researching in the newspaper and just "happening" on the day in February that has a story about Elliot being questioned in the murder investigation.

Is it possible that instead of mere coincidence, Patch has entered her mind again?  This time, directing her to to that particular date, so that she finds the information about Elliot.

--Barb

[wrmbreeze]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve? I think they fit right in the middle of what Nora and Vee are trying to solve.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative? They. are very bad at sleuthing and it is very dangerous for them

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not? She doesn't handle it very well. It makes her less level headed.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her? I don't think Nora has any of the answers to the questions that she has. I think its Jules, following her. He's super reepy.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing? I would say listen to your gut feeling.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

 Just how he died.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch? I don't think it fit totally but was close.

[AvidReader44]

Elliot and Jules have something to do with this, not quite sure what yet but I find it suspicious that Jules seems to slope off somewhere everytime Patch appears.

Nora and Vee are terrible at sleuthing, bit like Laurel & Hardy, they go a very roundabout way to find things out but very amusing at the same time! The outfit that Vee picked out for Nora to wear in the Borderline was excrutiatingly painful and I'm glad she showed some common sense and didn't put it all on! Their efforts in finding information could be dangerous, they are not considering the reaction that their attempts may provoke, but they are teenagers and probably wouldn't have the life skills to realise the danger.

Vee seemed to be a little shaken after the attack on her but not in a lasting way, at least not outwardly, and it will take more than that to make her more level-headed! I feel she is quite self-centred and seems to want constant excitement which could end up with her in far more dangerous situations.

I would advise Nora to tell somebody about what is going on, somebody that she trusts completely, although I can understand why she wouldn't want to be telling anybody that she hears voices in her head and that she has hallucinations.

Nora's father is a bit of a mystery, we know that he was murdered and not much else, I feel that there may be more to that.

The description of the Fallen Angels fits Patch to a point, the scars on his back and the telepathy, I don't think that Patch is as 'Evil' as the information on the Internet states.

[Readingrat]

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

I like that this is one of the questions because the main thought on my mind when we finished this section is that Nora is no Nancy Drew (in reference to the author's blurb on the back of the book).  Here we are in basically the same spot as we were 10 chapters ago in regards to figuring out what is really going on here.  Nora doesn't put her "clues" together in a logical manner she just jumps from one knee-jerk conclusion to another while completely ignoring things like the 7-11 receipt that put a place and time on Patch's whereabouts on Wednesday night.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

I agree that Mrs. Greene is involved in someway and I also think Elliot and Patch have had some sort of dealings together before that they aren't letting on to yet, besides that I'm still pretty clueless.  I wonder if Patch's ex-girlfriend is the link between those two.  I guess we'll find out soon.

[lmpmn]

These 2 may not be Nancy Drew, but maybe Nora or Vee read her books as a child and are trying to channel her in some way!

I was discussing this book with my 13-year-old daughter.  I told her that I really like the fact that Nora isn't a rich "O.C" chick.  The author describes her mom's make-shift home office as a gable room with a bare bulb and ugly orange curtains.  I love it!  She has an old car and so does Vee.  They're not driving around in fancy cars as 16-year-olds.  I can really connect with Nora and her mom just because her mom works so hard to keep them in their farmhouse.  Nora's fairly responsible and not a spoiled teen.  My daughter added that a lot of the books she reads has the teens as living in mansions basically and driving sports cars, etc.  She just can't connect with that.

Vee is so funny--she made me giggle when they were in Victoria's Secret shopping for bras!

[pen21]

Good point. It is nice to see that the characters don't have to be the elite ones.

pen21

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lmpmn wrote:

These 2 may not be Nancy Drew, but maybe Nora or Vee read her books as a child and are trying to channel her in some way!

I was discussing this book with my 13-year-old daughter.  I told her that I really like the fact that Nora isn't a rich "O.C" chick.  The author describes her mom's make-shift home office as a gable room with a bare bulb and ugly orange curtains.  I love it!  She has an old car and so does Vee.  They're not driving around in fancy cars as 16-year-olds.  I can really connect with Nora and her mom just because her mom works so hard to keep them in their farmhouse.  Nora's fairly responsible and not a spoiled teen.  My daughter added that a lot of the books she reads has the teens as living in mansions basically and driving sports cars, etc.  She just can't connect with that.

Vee is so funny--she made me giggle when they were in Victoria's Secret shopping for bras!

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[HarlequinTwili…]

I have totally finished the book, I did so in one sitting, so some of the questions I'm not going to comment on since I totally have the urge to give things away, but I have to comment on Vee and Nora's sleuthing....

It's terrible! Did Nancy Drew not teach these girls anything? She would be so ashamed! These girls couldn't sleuth their way out of a wet paper bag, hence why Vee ended up in the hospital. I mean wow!

[ReadingPatti]

dhaupt, I am wondering some of the same things myself, Sometimes, I wonder if Nora is really seeing these things or they are all in her mind. I wonder if Patch has something to do with all the things that are happening.

I think that Nora is a special person and does not know it.

I can't wait to finish this book and find out what happens.

I am glad to see that Becca is working on a sequel already.

I must remember to get it next Oct.

ReadingPatti

[sj9642]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

It's too early to tell at this point, but it's kind of obvious that something's slightly hinky with the pair of them.

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

I think they're letting their imaginations lead them too far, which I think is more dangerous. 

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

I think she doesn't take it seriously enough.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

At this point, I think it might be Elliot - I just don't trust him.

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

To be cautious and level-headed AND to not let what other s think about her to guide her.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

Just that he disappeared buying a gift in Portland.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

I don't think entirely so, not for the version of Patch that Nora has come to know.

[Shannanlee]

Where do Elliot and Jules fit into the scenarios that Nora and Vee are trying to solve?

  They were in their mind the mask stalker who was trying to harm Nora

How good at sleuthing are Nora and Vee? Do you think their efforts might be more dangerous than informative?

 I think their methods are both dangerous and informative I think they should have told the police what they knew at let them investigate

How does Vee handle her scrape with such a threat? Does this incident make her more level-headed or not?

 She handled it a lot more calmly that Nora. I think she was more irresponsible after the incident.

Do you feel you know any of the answers to questions that Nora is trying to answer? Who do you suspect is following her?

 At the time I did not. I thought it could be either Patch or Elliot

How would you tell Nora to handle the dangers she is facing?

 I am not sure but I would tell her to get some help from the police or a trusted adult.

Do we know anything so far about Nora's father?

 All we know is that he is dead and Nora is still traumatized by it.

Does the description Nora finds on the Internet of "Fallen Angels" fit for Patch?

I am not sure. I don't think it does but I guess we will find out.