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Was Permony the "she" that Elias wanted to save? Could she have been saved?

At first I thought it was Eva that Elias wanted saved. But after re-reading the paragraph on pg 368 where Meridia realizes that she and Permony used to fight Eva's bees together and then she left Permoney,  I came to understand that it was Permony that was meant to be saved.  She left Permony to face the bees and the bees convinced Permony that Ahab was her hero.  If Meridia had taken Permony with her, then she wouldn't have been desperate to leave and may have not fallen for Ahab.


How would you describe Malin's character, now that we've gone through so many changes with her? What kind of mother will she be?  She lost her anger and hatred.  She is now capable of loving and being loved.  She will be a good mother.

 

With Permony, we witness a truly revolting scene with Ahab! Had you suspected something so terrifying about this character? Is this the only character who transforms into a monster?  I suspected he was horrible after Meridia's discovery.  I figured it was just a matter of time before Permony discovered the truth.  Other characters that transform are Elias and Ravenna.  Wasn't it Ravenna that was the yellow-eyed demon who raged at the mist?

 

Hannah returns! Do you feel you understand her character any better? Do you have a conclusion about her?  I don't understand her better and I wish that there had been a little more revealed.  I still believe that Hannah is somewhat of a guardian angel that Meridia needed for strength.  I would like to think that Noah can see Hannah as well...and I also think that when Daniel moves back, Hannah will move on again.  Doubt there's room for both.

 

Have you reached any conclusions about Daniel's character? Are you sympathetic to him?  I am sympathetic to Daniel.  He was just soooo alone and filled with remorse at the end.  He made a horrible mistake while he was blinded by the bees.  Eva worked so steadily to blind him and then was vicious with her lies about Meridia.  Who knows all the things that Eva told him?  I have confidence that without Eva interferring, he'll show nothing but devotion to Meridia.  I also believe that he knows that if he messes up again, there won't be another chance.  Meridia's not taking him back until Eva's dead and buried...smart girl!

 

Do you think Eva's fierce will or Meridia resilience has played a greater role in the events of the novel?  Meridia's resilience has played a greater role. 

 

Why again see the Festival of the Spirits?  Festival of Spirits made the story come to full circle.  She met Daniel at the Festival of Spirits when she needed love in her life.  Then this last time she met Hannah. It was again a time when Meridia, although stronger, needed love and friendship.  Her mother was gone, Malin was gone and Daniel was gone.  With Hannah she has joy and laughter again...just like the joy and laughter she found with Daniel during those first few weeks of their relationship.

 

What are Meridia's fireflies?

Meridia's fireflies are Ravenna's protection.  Both Daniel and Eva mention that the firelies' wings have the sting of Ravenna's slap.  The fireflies disappear after the divorce is final, the new shop is a success, and she is settled into a life that Eva can't touch.  She doesn't need Ravenna's protection anymore.

 

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Well, I have to agree. I took the ride for the whole book because I was interested in the internal workings of this family and the drama that was there amidst the many mists of supernatural metaphors. I agree with someone else who posted, that all that mysticism was probably hiding a pretty good story. The ending fell flat for me. Eva had her terrible come uppance, the men did too. Hannah is back, Malin has a baby. Of all the twists and turns of the book, the ending is pretty standard good vs evil, good wins which is too bad because there were so many layers to everyone but it just all boiled down to this, well plus some things that it would appear from the posts so far, we could agree that we still don't know anymore about Hannah than we did to begin with, so I am with you and the others who said, where is this big epiphany about who Hannah is! No one seems to agree even with the book ended.

 

Also, Meridia may have won, or prevailed but so what. All she had to do was become as uncaring as Eva to do it. Did she have a right to feel the way she did about Eva, yep I guess so, but should she have been able to be better than Eva in the end, than Eva was? You would have thought so considering she is pretty much the heroine of this story,if their is one. There is a line in Schindler's List which comes to mind. The commandant of the camp is killing people at will, for just the heck of it, remember? And Schindler is trying to find a way to get him to stop this so he appeals to the side of him that might work. They are talking about power and Schindler says, there is no power in killing, that takes no power, real power, like with the Emperors of Rome, came in having the ability to kill whoever they wanted, with a gesture of the hand but then didn't. The power was in the ability to kill yet being able to pardon those brought before him. The commandant thinks about this and then for some time, kills no one, and when they mess up and are afraid he will, he says, I pardon you! Meridia did not have it in her to do this even at Eva's end. Going over once and washing her up when she sees the state she is in, she would have done that for an animal. She doesn't even really talk to Daniel about it until he comes to her again, asking for forgiveness and she says, your mother is ill, see to her. He didn't even know about her being ill! Where is the Meridia who said, if it was his mother who was in need like hers, she would take care of her or let her in their house because she was after all Daniel's mother. That was all just a lie to get her way about getting Ravina in. I know she is no saint and maybe this is to make her look more human, but you pretty much come to expect more of her throughout the book and that would have set her apart from the others.

 

Daniel is a weak man but then most of the men in this book are for one reason or the other. But even so, for all his screw ups, he always loved Meridia, there is no doubt of that. I don't know if I wanted Meridia to take him back or not and I am not even sure that last line means she did. In this book it could mean several things. This book is often like trying to swim with a big life jacket on. I don't know how many of you have ever had to try that but its not easy at all. You stay afloat with it but you really can't tread water much to get anywhere. Well, we didn't go under with this book but there was a lot of treading water in one place to have not gotten more answers in the end or a satisifying ending. I don't know if she really will take Daniel back, or if that was just saying go tend to your mother and come back to me and we will talk. And if he does come back, where will Hannah go? Meridia does not keep both in her life at the same time, we know that. And we don't know still who Hannah is!

 

No, I can not say the ending saved the book. lol, maybe Elias was talking about those of us lost at the end of the book...save her! :smileywink: Well. In many ways, it was a good first book. And I would definitely not discourage Erick from writing! I think there are good things ahead for him but this book just didn't hit the mark with me. And I haven't seen so many people still not getting what the big deal the author said to look for (i.e. revelations as to who Hannah is) in any club before as I have here, even from ones who liked the book.

 

I wound up not caring too much about any of the characters one way or the other. There is one exception and that is Noah. Noah seems to be something special and have some maybe psychic abilities of his own, that may be beyond any of these women. And like I said once, I think Noah for his young years is an old soul. If anyone from this story is written about in another book, I would hope it would be Noah and that his strength and character would come through without the bees and mists. What little we see of his "powers" are subtle enough and hints as to his true nature also subtle enough at this time, to want to follow up on him to see who and what he will become. The rest, let them rest.

 


pen21 wrote:

I am disappointed in the ending.

 

Hannah didn't have the big ending I thought was coming. Hannah just moved in. We didn't learn much about her character.

 

I would have liked Eva to have a stronger ending. Everyone turning away from Eva worked out OK. But did they turn away or by turning away did they just become mean and evil like Eva.

 

I liked that the fragrance theme was continued in the last section. I liked the fragrances and I thought that the use of fragrance was well thought out the book. I think it was the best theme.

 

pen21

 


 

 

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I love what you wrote about Hannah and completely agree with you.


PiperMurphy wrote:

PiperMurphy wrote in part:

 

 Her name being a palindrome suggests that she is a mirror image. I think that she is the part of Meridia that completes her so that she becomes her true self. Hannah showed up whenever Meridia was in transition, first at school when she discovered she wasn't invisible, again when she was trying to build her business, and then at the end when she wanted to rebuild her marriage. I think that she was the person that Meridia was trying to become all through the book, and when she finally became that person Hannah stayed because Meridia was complete.

 


 

I had another thought on Hannah. Erick suggested that the reason no one could see Hannah was because Meridia didn't want them to. Maybe it was because Meridia was insecure and vulnerable about who she was and was trying to become. She wasn't ready for people to see her true self, or she wasn't ready to deal with Eva's response. In the end they didn't need to see Hannah because they were seeing the complete Meridia.

 

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I don't think there needs to be a resolution to Hannah's character. Hannah herself is the resolution. She is the part of Meridia that was missing.  Meridia would get a glimpse of this part occasionally; she would see her own potential, and at the end of the novel she lives up to it. The spiritual side of her being has moved in for good.  
nicole21WA wrote:

jabrkeKB wrote:

CathyB wrote:

 

I was quite disappointed in the Hannah outcome. I do not think that it resolved itself as Erick indicated that the many assumptions that people originally had were praobably incorrect - he alluded to some other possibility that no one had yet mentioned. Still don't see it.

 


I totally agree, I expected a "bombshell" about Hannah at the end.

 

 


I feel the same.  I was very disappointed to have not resolved who Hannah was.  I don't think even the re-read that I'm planning will help me understand the Hannah character.  


 

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Spot on, Sunltcloud. I think you nailed Hannah/Meridia perfectly!

 


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I don't think there needs to be a resolution to Hannah's character. Hannah herself is the resolution. She is the part of Meridia that was missing.  Meridia would get a glimpse of this part occasionally; she would see her own potential, and at the end of the novel she lives up to it. The spiritual side of her being has moved in for good.  
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I think PiperMurphy's comment about the name Hannah being a palindrome and her comment about Meridia and she being mirror immages was really intuitive. I also think that SunlitCloud's assessment was great.

After reading the first two assignments I decided I really wanted to finish the book, and just continued to read it until the end, so it did capture my imagination. The book was a very creative, quick read which held my interest pretty well.  I think it could really be a good introductory first novel for the author. There could be many sequels in the future for people who enjoy this kind of a tale.

I do agree with vivico, because in the end it fell a little flat for me and rather than post before everyone had finished reading, I stopped posting for awhile (also due to the fact that I got the flu/severe cold which put me out of commission for longer than I expected) to think about my reaction to the total book.

It is not typical of a book I would have picked up on my own to read. I am grateful to Barnes and Noble for giving me the opportunity to try out other genres.

Finally, though, I thought it seemed a bit like a fairy tale. At times, there was almost too much magic in it.

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Shadowwolf36 wrote:

 

Malin has become and extraordinary young women who is strong. She will be a fabulous mother now that she has seen clearly how it should NOT be done.

 

 


I am not in a hurry to declare Malin cleared.  Afterall, Permony lost everything, and Malin reaped the benefit.  In the end she took everything from Permony. 

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pen21 wrote:

I am disappointed in the ending.

 

Hannah  didn't have the big ending I thought was coming. Hannah just moved in. We didn't learn much about her character.

 

I would have liked Eva to have a stronger ending. Everyone turning away from Eva worked out OK. But did they turn away or by turning away did they just become mean and evil like Eva.

 

I liked that the fragrance theme was continued in the last section. I liked the fragrances and I thought that the use of fragrance was well thought out the book. I think it was the best theme.

 

pen21

 


 

I agree.  I think the ending was week.  So after all the devastation, Merida does go back to Daniel.   Malin leaves with Permony's baby.  I still question how it is that Malin takes over everything that is Permony.  It is like Permony made the ultimate sacrifice and Malin is the beneficiary.  Daniel cannot be saved until after his mother dies.  Noah?   We don't have an ending for him except that he somehow got his parents back together.   As fairy tales go, I am still looking for the message.  Don't see it.

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kaylami wrote:

 

 

Have you reached any conclusions about Daniel's character? Are you sympathetic to him?  I am sympathetic to Daniel.  He was just soooo alone and filled with remorse at the end.  He made a horrible mistake while he was blinded by the bees.  Eva worked so steadily to blind him and then was vicious with her lies about Meridia.  Who knows all the things that Eva told him?  I have confidence that without Eva interferring, he'll show nothing but devotion to Meridia.  I also believe that he knows that if he messes up again, there won't be another chance.  Meridia's not taking him back until Eva's dead and buried...smart girl!

 

 

 


This reminds me of the lines from "Amazing Grace", "I was blind, but now I see." Daniel had to literally become blind to understand his mistakes.

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Did anyone catch the part in which no one was able to see Daniel but Noah?

It wasn't until Noah wanted others to see him that they did.

 

 


PiperMurphy wrote:
I had another thought on Hannah. Erick suggested that the reason no one could see Hannah was because Meridia didn't want them to. Maybe it was because Meridia was insecure and vulnerable about who she was and was trying to become. She wasn't ready for people to see her true self, or she wasn't ready to deal with Eva's response. In the end they didn't need to see Hannah because they were seeing the complete Meridia.

 

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Between the"Mist" and the "Bees" I'll always choose the "Mist".  In that mist at least one can grow, develope, form opinions, have feelings,make decisions, take action - in short become a complete individual.  The Bees prohibit individual growth, thinking, opinions - in short, all the things that make up an individual human.  The Bees represent that one dominate personality that would rule everyone and everything around it - in this case Eva.  Her comments sting like bees, swarm like bees, driving out everything but her way.  Words can cause just as much pain as sticks.  The "Mist" of cool indifferance may not be ideal, but does leave plenty of room for another whole individual to develope and grow as we see with Meridia.

I really love this novel - the best one in the First Look club.

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It took me a while, but I finally figured out the firefly's.  They are the light that one gets from that aha moment of truth.  Merida sees the light when she goes back to Orchard Street and leaves Daniel.  Daniel is blinded by his mothers lies and viciousness.  It is only when he sees the truth that the fireflies leave because he has seen the light of truth.
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great thought! :smileywink:


mamawli wrote:
It took me a while, but I finally figured out the firefly's.  They are the light that one gets from that aha moment of truth.  Merida sees the light when she goes back to Orchard Street and leaves Daniel.  Daniel is blinded by his mothers lies and viciousness.  It is only when he sees the truth that the fireflies leave because he has seen the light of truth.

 

 

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PaulH & Sunltcloud:

 

  I agree that this could be a possible explanation. I did not get this from the ending though.:smileysad:

 

  I had commented in the 'questions' thread that I thought Hannah was either an imaginary friend or her inner self - but Erick indicated that there could be some other possibility. Now, I may be misinterpretting your comment below but I was equating inner self with the part of her that was missing.

 

  Either way, I was just looking for something more concrete to lead me down the correct path as to what/who Hannah represented/was. :smileyvery-happy:

 

CathyB

 


PaulH wrote:

Spot on, Sunltcloud. I think you nailed Hannah/Meridia perfectly!

 


Sunltcloud wrote:
I don't think there needs to be a resolution to Hannah's character. Hannah herself is the resolution. She is the part of Meridia that was missing.  Meridia would get a glimpse of this part occasionally; she would see her own potential, and at the end of the novel she lives up to it. The spiritual side of her being has moved in for good.  

 

 

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I somehow got a day behind in my reading, not sure if it was me or the book, but here are my thoughts anyway:

 

Chapter Thirty-One

 

I am so disappointed.  I will say that I found Gabriel's death one of the most beautiful passages in the book and probably the only light-filled passage.  However, Meridia's world is falling all around her!  So depressing, I'm disappointed in Ravenna's loss of strength and I'm sourly disappointed at Daniel's failure to support his wife, his marriage and his family.

 

Chapter Thirty-Two

 

I found this chapter very creepy!  Meridia sneaks her mother into the house and Daniel merely accepts this?  I find this hard to believe and am interested to see where it all leads.  And then, this man who walks into the jewelry store as the second coming?!  I found the realization that he looked like Permony's father (or is in fact her father) causing such passion extraordinarily disgusting.  Blech.  I must have misread. 

 

Chapter Thirty-Three

 

So this is an interesting chapter.  Now that Ravenna has moved in with Daniel and Meridia, I suppose we'll never find the source of the house's mysteries?  The argument between Daniel and Meridia is quite curious.  We see this book mostly from Meridia's side.  We see a change in Daniel from her perception.  However, Daniel mentions here the change in Meridia from his experience.  "Back then she had been made of flesh; the woman standing before him was made of flint."  Have they both changed that much?  And Meridia being make of flint is much like Ravenna's iron bun on her head, which was Daniel's point - to compare the two women.  At the end of this chapter who Elias wanted to save is revealed.  He wanted Permony saved from the Ahab/Eva conspiracy.

 

Chapter Thirty-Four

 

What a depressing chapter.  How were there flowers to tear in the garden in the winter?  And, did Meridia just imagine the women talking about there or were they providing some kind of warning?  And Daniel walking off in the blue mist?  That was a most unfortunate sight. Will he be able to escape the bees and mist?

 

Chapter Thirty-five

 

So for Ravenna and Meridia the mists are a tangible manifestation of that "I just know something isn't right" feeling?  Visible intuition? 

What exactly happened at the end of this chapter?  Did Ravenna cook herself?  And do the fireflies signify hope? 

 

Chapter Thirty-six

 

So Daniel is now blind which leads him to discover his true feelings for his wife.  Will he be able to see through his mother during this time?

 

Chapter Thirty-seven

 

Primordial burial:  must.look.up

Still confused about where all this is going, but I'm glad to see Meridia regaining some of her strength.  How did Eva orchestrate the scene with Sylva and how did Daniel react if at all?

 

Chapter Thirty-eight

Okay now it's just creepy.  The basement scene with Ahab was really just gross.

 

Chapter Thirty-Nine

 

The drama continues!  I was so surprised that Meridia left Daniel!  I thought for sure she was going to reclaim him from Eva.  I was happy to see Daniel strong enough to send his mother away even after Meridia said she wanted nothing more to do with him.  He's now alone.

 

Chapter Forty

 

Well, that has to be the most unsatisfying ending to a book!

 

Final chapter

(why not Forty-One?)

So, they will be back together.  Interesting that it took the death of both mothers (and less significantly all parents) for them to find their way to a hopefully healthy relationship.  The death of Eva in particular brings hope and it appears as if love will prevail!

 

The book as a whole

 

I kind of lost some (not all) of my interest in these final chapters.  As much as I enjoyed reading it, I'm a bit frustrated that the source of the magic so prominent at the beginning is not revealed fully - nor is Hanna fully explained.  There is a good chance that I'm just too dense or too casual a reader to see these explanations, but it did leave me a little frustrated at the end. 

As much as I enjoyed going on this ride, I don't know how memorable it will be.  I think that it was fun while it lasted, but it will quickly fade.

 

 

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Was Permony the "she" that Elias wanted to save? Could she have been saved?

I hope that it was Permony that Elias wanted Meridia to save.  Permony was capable of weathering the storms of bees but Elias understood that their constant attention was enough to drive anyone crazy.  I think Elias knew that with Daniel, Meridia, Noah, Malin, and Patina out of the house Permony would the the sole recipient of their fury.  It would have been too much for one person to live with.  In the end, it seems like Permony almost saved herself.  She knew that Ahab wasn't perfect but it also meant that her mother couldn't really harm her anymore so the trade was worth it. 


How would you describe Malin's character, now that we've gone through so many changes with her? What kind of mother will she be?

I think that the Malin we see in the end of the book is a capable and resourceful woman who will be a wonderful mother but a little bit overprotective.  She's been though all sorts of hell and I think she's show she has the ability to live through it.

 

With Permony, we witness a truly revolting scene with Ahab! Had you suspected something so terrifying about this character? Is this the only character who transforms into a monster?

I  don't think I suspected something quite so terrifying but I didn't believe that everything was right with Ahab. I thought he might be some sort of sorcerer that was able to call up the monster to accomplish his goals, not that he was the monster himself.  He isn't the only character that turns into a monster, just the most visible.  Elias is a monster after the bees have worked on him for weeks at and time, the bees make Eva a fearsome monster, Meridia's anger and determination make her just as much a monster.  I think all of the characters have the monstrous sides, we just don't see them as clearly as Ahab's. 

 

Hannah returns! Do you feel you understand her character any better? Do you have a conclusion about her?

I was so happy to see Hannah come back.  She give Meridia the courage to live her life how she wants to and not bow the expectations of everyone else.  I still think that Hannah is a real person, not an imaginary friend.  Mr.. Setiwan has shown us characters that are able to do amazing things like the vendors in the marketplace so it's possible that there are people who are able to be invisible and live among the more normal people. 

 

Have you reached any conclusions about Daniel's character? Are you sympathetic to him?

Daniel lost my sympathy when he chose Eva's bees over Meridia.  He's a flawed and almost pathetic man.  At points I felt like I was yelling at him when he was being stupid or blind with Meridia.  In the end all I could think was 'Bless his poor little heart.  He's lost everything he ever really loved because of his own stubborness and blindness'.  I wish that he would have manned up and been the husband that Meridia needed but then I know that Meridia wasn't exactly the best wife.  I think Daniel would have been a different man, husband, and father if he didn't have Eva for a mother. 

 

Do you think Eva's fierce will or Meridia resilience has played a greater role in the events of the novel?

I think it was equal parts of fierceness and resilience.  If Eva hadn't pushed then Meridia would have no reason to stand up for herself and her family.  Eva determination to have her world exactly so with her at the glowing center of it ultimately lead to the almost end that she found herself in. 

 

Why again see the Festival of the Spirits?

The Festival of the Spirits was the logical end to everything.  Its where Daniel and Meridia meet and so many major events in their lived revolved around spirits so why not have it be the beginning of the rest of their lives?  Even if it might not be together. 

 

What are Meridia's fireflies?

I don't see them as Meridia's fireflies at all.  They are Ravenna's fireflies and they're there to shield and protect Meridia and Noah. 

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fordmg wrote:

Shadowwolf36 wrote:

 

Malin has become and extraordinary young women who is strong. She will be a fabulous mother now that she has seen clearly how it should NOT be done.

 

 


I am not in a hurry to declare Malin cleared.  Afterall, Permony lost everything, and Malin reaped the benefit.  In the end she took everything from Permony. 

MG


 

I don't see this at all. Malin didn't take her life or her baby because she was evil and wanted to. Eva and Ahab did this in each of their evil ways. She protected Permony's baby by not allowing Eva or Ahab access to the child, not because she wanted the baby all to herself (because she wanted to raise it with her husband) but because she didn't want Permony's child subjected to what Eva and Ahab represented. She may have been a day late and a dollar short to protect Permony but she had the ability to protect her child and she stepped up.
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Has anyone suggested that perhaps Elias was asking Meridia to save Malin? 

 

There are several intertwining themes here. Malin was "lost" and suffering since the death of her own child. She was on a downward spiral, despondent and inconsolable. Her marriage was all but destroyed. When she comes upon Permony as she goes into labor, delivers her baby and lays dying, she gives her comfort and peace of mind. In a sense, Malin rescues Permony from the horror of her final moments, as Permony’s baby then rescues Malin from a life filled with despair. However, it is only with Meridia’s help that Malin is able to take the child and rescue him from a life of abuse with Eva and/or Ahab.

 

Malin is the only one who comes out of this book with a new beginning. In rescuing the child, she rescues herself, as well. It couldn’t have been done without Meridia’s help to corroborate the story about the baby's death, with the midwife. It was that help that enabled Malin to take the baby and begin again. In a sense, she was reborn as the baby was just born. Had Meridia not helped Malin, the plan to take the baby might not have worked. I think, in aiding Malin, she fulfilled Elias’ last wish.

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very interesting thought  :smileywink:


thewanderingjew wrote:

Has anyone suggested that perhaps Elias was asking Meridia to save Malin? 

 

There are several intertwining themes here. Malin was "lost" and suffering since the death of her own child. She was on a downward spiral, despondent and inconsolable. Her marriage was all but destroyed. When she comes upon Permony as she goes into labor, delivers her baby and lays dying, she gives her comfort and peace of mind. In a sense, Malin rescues Permony from the horror of her final moments, as Permony’s baby then rescues Malin from a life filled with despair. However, it is only with Meridia’s help that Malin is able to take the child and rescue him from a life of abuse with Eva and/or Ahab.

 

Malin is the only one who comes out of this book with a new beginning. In rescuing the child, she rescues herself, as well. It couldn’t have been done without Meridia’s help to corroborate the story about the baby's death, with the midwife. It was that help that enabled Malin to take the baby and begin again. In a sense, she was reborn as the baby was just born. Had Meridia not helped Malin, the plan to take the baby might not have worked. I think, in aiding Malin, she fulfilled Elias’ last wish.


 

 

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Re: Later Chapters and Whole Novel

Was Permony the "she" that Elias wanted to save? Could she have been saved?

 

Permony was the "she" that Elias was reffering to. He knew that Ahab was a bad person, but Eva made him believe otherwise with her bees. He knew that Eva resented Permony, but he did not want to suffer during the last days of his life. The weird language that he was talking while he was dying could have been a prayer to have the higher spirits watch over Permony. She could have been saved if it was not for Eva being the horrible person that she is. Permony went to her for help, and of course Eva rejected her. Eva also knew the things about Ahab were true, but she wanted Permony out of her life. She found it as a way to get rid of her. She had always wanted Permony to suffer for taking all the love from Elias. I even think that Eva knew Permony was going to die that night and thought nothing of it.


How would you describe Malin's character, now that we've gone through so many changes with her? What kind of mother will she be?

 

I like Malin now. Her character has become a better person since she has discovered what her mother, Eva, was really like. She will be a good mother, because she knows first hand how bad parenting can affect the lives of children. You could also tell how much she suffered when she lost her own child. She took Permony's child as it was her own and that child filled the void in her heart.

 

With Permony, we witness a truly revolting scene with Ahab! Had you suspected something so terrifying about this character? Is this the only character who transforms into a monster?

 

I had not suspected that Ahab would turn into a monster, but I did know that he was not a good person either. I believed what Meridia was hearing and saying about Ahab. Unfortunately, he is not the only one that turns into a monster. Elias had turned into a monster when he gave Noah the scar on his head.

 

Hannah returns! Do you feel you understand her character any better? Do you have a conclusion about her?

 

I am still confused about Hannah. I know that she is not a physical person, but an imaginary friend of Meridia's.

 

Have you reached any conclusions about Daniel's character? Are you sympathetic to him?

 

I am sympathetic toward Daniel because I know his actions were not his. He was under the spell of his mother, and thankfully, Meridia broke that spell. He has become a better person since he stopped talking to his mother. I am glad that Meridia is taking him back after he buries his mother. She knows how much of a good person Daniel can be without the influence of Eva.

 

Do you think Eva's fierce will or Meridia resilience has played a greater role in the events of the novel?

 

Meridia's resilience has no doubt played a greater role in the events of the novel. Eva's fierce will was strong, but it had died back a few times in the book, and was completely gone in the end of the novel. Meridia's resilience is still predominant up until the last sentence of the book.

 

Why again see the Festival of the Spirits?

 

We saw the Festival of the Spirits because a new chapter in each of their lives was beginning, along with another family. When Daniel and Meridia first met at the festival where their relationship sparked, another family was beginning new chapters in their lives. It is like a never ending story of changes and connections.

 

What are Meridia's fireflies?

 Meridia's fireflieas are her mothers spirit watching over her. She defends her from the bad and gives her inspiration and ideas through her spirit.

 

"I ought, therefore I can"
-Immanuel Kant