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06-08-2009 06:59 PM
I have to start by saying that I have fallen in love with this book during these chapters. I was a little skeptical at first but now no more. I think it's because I feel like I have really begun to know & connect with the characters.
We have seen Meridia grow into a lovely woman & found her to be intelligent & ambitious. I'm really enjoying this side of her.
Meridia's parents have shed new light. We find out what happened that horrible night. It helps to explain a little why Gabriel is so shut off from Meridia. If Eva's story was true, her birth was the beginning of the loss of love in the marriage. No that it was her fault, but it can be seen as a symbol of sorts.
Hannah came back but once again, did not seem real. I don't think this is as simple as an imaginary friend. I think that seems too dull & a bit of a let down. Maybe it's a ghost, another personality, an extension of her mother.... or maybe something we don't even know yet!
Eva is just plain evil to me. I think I dislike her even more then Gabriel. It seems no person is safe with her.
I have to say, some some reason, I really like the association with scents in this story. It somehow adds another level. I associate scents to many things but mainly they are often an imprint left behind by someone. Especially my grandmother's.
Definately interested to see where the next set of chapters takes us!
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06-08-2009 07:41 PM
Oops...you're absolutely right. I had my eyes open to the idea of a fantasy world but everytime I try to picture an actual place it's here in the US.
So I guess the birth could be past or modern era...so here I am back at square one again!
Sunltcloud wrote:This might be true for many Western countries, but in many places in the world men are still not permitted to attend delivery. In Russia men only recently took to the idea.
An article about "Traditional Midwifery Care in Malaysia and Indonesia states:
"Birth is a social event in the rural areas. Other mothers will sit with the laboring woman, chewing the redstaining betel nut, and offering advice and assistance. Men are generally excluded from the birthing room, in the belief that the pregnant woman's blood is contaminating, although the father enters soon after delivery. If the birth is difficult,the women will perform symbolic rituals, and a bomoh may be called in to ease the pain with distraction techniques. For instance, the bomoh might blow on the mother's head while chanting mantras, or he might alternately spray her head with betel leaf juice while reciting the mantras."
chris227 wrote in part:The more I read the more confused I become about the time the story takes And then the thing that really makes me think the story setting is in the past was the whole childbrith scene - the midwife was brought to the house, Daniel was kept out of the room, and it was said that childbirth was "nothing for a man to see." Now it is common for the father to be in the delivery room and childbirth isn't thought of as an "image of horror" as it is in the book.
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06-08-2009 07:42 PM
the nubmer one issue i've seen with Daniel is that he can't decide whose side to take. THat is an all too real issue that i know many men are faced with once they become husbands. Do they side with their mother or with their new wifey. I know the catholic church says to side with the wife (or at least during the interview the priest is supposed to ask the a question like "your mother and your wife are trapped in a burning house and you can only save one- who do you save?" the answer of course is the wife).
It seems like Daniel was torn. It doesn't matter to me that as Meridia was waiting outside for him that he was held back upstairs. He should have without a doubt gone after her the moments she started walking out the door and not moments later. I hope he redeems himself.
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06-08-2009 07:48 PM
Were your first impressions of Meridia's new family accurate?
Yes, I thought they were to good to be true. It seemed like they were just putting on a good face in order to make a good first inversion.
In what ways has Meridia grown up in these chapters?
She is learning to deal with people who speak a lot but don't always speak truthfully. She also sees that when you are the person that has been living within a certain set of behaviors you sometimes don't always see clearly the affects of this behavior on others. Because of your feelings and bonds to the people involved you may not question the situation.
How have her feelings for her own family changed? Have your feelings for Ravenna and Gabriel changed in these chapters?
At least with her own family she knew where she stood. She didn't have to wonder what they really thought of her for better or for worst she they told her.
Yes, finally after fifteen chapters these two parents show some signs of caring, family loyalty, even partnership, when they take on the parental instinct to protect their young! You finally gave me a reason to like and to continue to read this book. These chapters where very good, insightful, enlightening, interesting, I only wish the beginning could have given me half this feeling. It is clear that these two people care deeply about their daughter and anyone who mistreats her. They are only to happy to set thinks straight with Meridia's new in-laws.
What do the role do the scents of Verbena and of Roses have in the story? It there a scent you recognize and associate with a loved one or a family member?
I feel like the two mothers a like dogs marking their territory to keep the other away or at a distance. I cannot recall a perticular person or smell from my past but, you always like the smells or sound that remind you of a time or place of safety, warmth and comfort.
What characteristics seem to make up the Willow Street house?
Simple but comfortable, Meridia and Daniel are able to help each other with the new store. Meridia learns about the jewlery and Daniel helps fix the books and keep his mother at bay. All the parents seem to be welcome as long as they can behave and not interfer with the way Meridia and Daniel chose to live.
Why has Hannah appeared again, and why has she disappeared? Do you believe in her?
Hannah has appeared again because her personality is needed to acomplish the task of helping get customers to come to the new jewlery store. It will take an out going personality to approach people in a friendly way and talk them into visiting the store. I am starting to think that Hannah is realy the part of Meridia's personality that Meridia would like to be more like, but is not comfortable being all the time. It puts her out of her comfort zone, she only seems to bring Hannah out when there is no other way for her to get what she needs.
What birth stories have we had in the novel so far? What do each of them have to show us about the characters involved?
In this book there seems to always be a tradgity with every birth. When Meridia is born Gabriel is hurt with an axe, when Noah is born Meridia is left unable to have more children due to the stings. I think that these charicters are in for more trouble that may make them sacrifice one thing to protect another.
Is the story of your birth always part of your own personal mythology of who you are?
I really hope not ,I was born brech, you know ass end first. I would hate to think that my whole life will be in some way or another lived ass backward.
Re: Middle Chapters, 10 - 19
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06-08-2009 07:59 PM
I have to say that I love the way the story flows. I always am nervous when something happens, like when Eva said that Meridia's baby would not come in our out. I also always feel for Meridia and what she is going through. I think this is the mark of a great book, how you feel and react to the characters in it. Now on to the story.
I definitely did not like Meridia's new family from the start, especially Eva, and that was proven correct as these chapters progressed. Each time Eva comes into the story I feel anger towards her. She always tries to do something to bring the family into an upheaval. She is trying everything she can to pit Daniel and Meridia against each other. I am still trying to figure out exactly what goes on with Eva's bees. Do they somehow go into another person when she wants them to do something, almost like a possession? Then we see the affect they have on Meridia when she is having Noah.
Meridia's feelings towards her family have changed, and mine have along with her. When Gabrield stood up to Eva and Elias I thought "Bravo Dad! Finally something I can get on board with!!" I loved that Ravenna slapped Eva, because that is definitely what she needed, no one has ever really stood up to her until Meridia and her family. I was surprised to learn that Ravenna hadn't made a sound since Ravenna left the house, and when she comes back it is like a new mother is there to greet her.
It's funny that there are certain scents we recognize as family memebers, or parts of our lives we don't like. I just got a hutch from the grandfather's house and I keep commenting that it smells like him. Every time I walk past it, it reminds me of the times that I would spend there.
The Willow Street house is a new beginning for Meridia and Daniel and a new life too, and not just Noah's. I have a feeling that something is going to go wrong, especially since many other things have so far, but for now I love the little place that they live in.
Before I thought that Hannah was around to get Meridia out of her shell and to show her the world. I still think this to an extent, but now I think she comes around when Meridia needs help.
I can't wait to see what else the story/reading brings. I am excited to move on.
"A house without books is like a room without windows."--Horace Mann
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06-08-2009 08:22 PM
I'm finding that the middle of the book is much less magical than the first part was with the moving staircase and the different colored mist that played havoc of all who tried to approach the house. The latest section I am finding more a normal though dysfunctional household with a great deal of stress brought on by overbearing Eva. they is some magical and aspect but they seem to be taking a backseat compared to the early chapters.
I also see it as a comparison of "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence." Meaning that Meridia felt unwanted at her home and felt as if she was invisible in her home and unwanted in her parents. While it became very apparent that thingsg were not all "rosey" in the home of her in-laws as proven in the ongoing battle of the roses and the marigolds. Ravenna and Gabriel showed that they cared for her when things fell apartw with Meridia's marriage when they both came to the rescue of their daughter and stood up for her. This was something that I was not expecting to happen. So, yes my feelings Meridias parent have changed.
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06-08-2009 08:25 PM
I totally agree that much of the magical quality of the beginning is lost in this section. I certainly hope we come back to it - I would love to know why Ravenna's house behaves the way it does. In fact, the thought of not finding out stressed me greatly!
Amanda
biljounc63 wrote:I'm finding that the middle of the book is much less magical than the first part was with the moving staircase and the different colored mist that played havoc of all who tried to approach the house.
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06-08-2009 08:51 PM
lizard2000 wrote:I was sad when I had to put the book down at chapter 19! I didn't know how I was feeling about this book, the beginning was hard for me to follow sometimes, but this second reading has me definitely hooked. Here are my thoughts so far:
Were your first impressions of Meridia's new family accurate? I didn't quite know what to think about Eva. She was overly accepting and nice and as much as one would like to think people are made of this, given the luck Meridia has had so far in this book, I should have known. The sisters were definitely what I was expecting given the way they are treated by Eva and Elias and as for Daniel, I'm glad he is finally realizing what he has in Meridia!
In what ways has Meridia grown up in these chapters? She has become her own woman. As much as she relies on David as a partner, she realizes that when it comes to standing up to his mother, he's a little slow on the uptake. She initiates an independence for them in ways Daniel never would have thought of....the perfume on the corner, the replacement of sold items with plastic ones, hiding the money under the floorboards. Survival of the fittest and Daniel is lucky he has Meridia!
How have her feelings for her own family changed? Have your feelings for Ravenna and Gabriel changed in these chapters?
So far, I believe she sees the weakness in Gabriel because of his inability to love and has used this to her advantage. In the scene where he stands up for his daughter and watches Ravenna defend Meridia, there is a part of me that hopes they will see each other as they once did when they first fell in love. One can hope! I still think Gabriel is a lilly livered man for (supposedly) having a mistress, but like I said, in that one scene it seemed like he saw Ravenna for the first time in a long time and she him...here's to hoping mists disappear and bees eat Eva alive! :-p
What do the role do the scents of Verbena and of Roses have in the story? It there a scent you recognize and associate with a loved one or a family member?
Verbena is obviously the scent of Ravenna and roses of Eva. When I think of the two, I characterize verbena as being a scent one uses to freshen things up, to make it happier. I'm not sure what I associate roses with...never thought of them as being super romantic myself and after reading this book probably will always associate them with Eva..he he he. Maybe only the dying stinky ones with Eva.
I will always associate the smell of the glade scent County Gardens and Tums with my grandma Zola...she always had one of those fresheners in her bathroom and always had Tums.
What characteristics seem to make up the Willow Street house? (Please be careful of spoilers in answering!) I picture it as being the perfect home, not big, but a space where you are comfortable and love to visit. It holds it's own secrets, but invites the stranger in for an afternoon to get to know one another.
Why has Hannah appeared again, and why has she disappeared? Do you believe in her?
I see Hannah as being the part of us that not many listen to, but all of us have. She is the strength part of our minds that help us to step over a line or do something we know we should, but are too afraid to act upon. I do believe in her, but not as an actual person. I think she is someone that shows up when Meridia needs her...appropriately a wanderer.
What birth stories have we had in the novel so far? What do each of them have to show us about the characters involved? Is the story of your birth always part of your own personal mythology of who you are?
Birth stories...Meridia and Noah? Those are the only two I can think of...help me out here if there are others, I don't have the book in front of me. What do they show us about the characters...that they are stubborn? I really don't have a lot to reflect on this one, except to say that I was born on one of the coldest days of the winter, my mom was a teacher and started going into labor during class and chose to stick it out for the rest of the day! Then her car wouldn't start. Being the "good first born" that I am, I decided to make everyone happy and wait until everyone else was good and ready to have me around. Didn't want to upset anyone. :-P Apparently a people pleaser since birth.
Well done lizard2000 (especially the part about Hannah)!!!!From your not so evil (I hope) mother-in-law--Pode
â Henry Ward Beecher
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06-08-2009 09:22 PM
rkubie wrote:
1-In what ways has Meridia grown up in these chapters?
I think Meridia is gaining self confidence and self-awareness. She is becoming an adult, able to make wise decisions on her own without doubting herself as much.
2-Have your feelings for Ravenna and Gabriel changed in these chapters?
I am gaining respect for Ravenna's strength of character. When she sets her mind to something, she accomplishes it and nothing stands in her way. Although her actions in the beginning betrayed no great love for Meridia, it becomes obvious that she does love her with the purity of a mother's love and would sacrifice for her safety and happiness.
I was actually surprised by Gabriel's show of support for Meridia but also very pleased by the display of familial loyalty. However, when he returns to his cruel ways and places broad conditions upon both Meridia and Daniel's future, if they reconcile, I realize that the difficulties of the past have effected him so deeply that he can't seem to get out from under that burden. He does the right thing but with such codicils that it seems like the wrong thing.
3-Why has Hannah appeared again, and why has she disappeared? Do you believe in her?
When Hannah appeared again I thought, oh my, our theories about imaginary friends were all wrong. When she disappeared again, before anyone really saw her that could attest to her existence, I felt once again that Meridia had called upon her imaginary friend to help her out of a very difficult situation. It seems to me that Hannah gives Meridia the courage she needs to succeed.
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06-08-2009 09:45 PM
biljounc63 wrote:I'm finding that the middle of the book is much less magical than the first part was with the moving staircase and the different colored mist that played havoc of all who tried to approach the house. The latest section I am finding more a normal though dysfunctional household with a great deal of stress brought on by overbearing Eva. they is some magical and aspect but they seem to be taking a backseat compared to the early chapters.
I noticed also that there was less magic in this section. Maybe that means that the magic in the beginning was through the eyes of a child. Then as the child matures the magic changes because she understands what she sees. Or maybe as you said there is less magic due to the dysfunction. I hope it is back in the end.
~Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus~
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06-08-2009 10:12 PM
I think we've since we've been introduced to the magic that we forget it's there
the mist
the bee's
the effect that eva has on elias
perhaps mailin's obtrusive spying could be magical
i think the moving staircase was a mind trick- i took it as maybe sometimes it seems like it takes forever to go up the stairs and sometimes it goes by quick.
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06-08-2009 10:39 PM
First of all, I have to say that I completed chapter nineteen on June 6, and this seemed very weird as the last line states that Noah was born on June 6.
It appears to me that hanah shows up whenever Meridia needs her. Hannah helps her to understand what she must do to make her life better and to solve her problems. It is as though she is talking to herself to find a solution to her problems. Hannah helps Meridia to meet perspective customers for the business. Just as before, Hannah disappears when Meridia has her problems under control and reappears again when she needs to talk to someone.
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06-08-2009 11:13 PM
I know what you mean. In the beginning it was difficult for me too, simply because we are so used to categorizing everything. I think our minds are geared toward putting everything into little drawers, that way we have control over it. Letting go of control was a jump into the unknown, I realized, but I had to do it.
In trying to make myself open to this reality I thought about several things. First, sometimes I have dreams that are bizzare but make absolute sense while I am dreaming them. Like driving a shopping cart into a butcher shop and actually hearing noises that sound like a real car. Or flying over a city like my mouse flies over google earth. If I can do that in my dreams it must be in me to believe it on the page.
The other thing I thought about is travel. Often I wake up in the morning and have no idea where I am. And once I leave the hotel room the world is very different from the places I am used to.
Jamaica for instance. I have all the comfort I am used to in the hotel and when I end up in a small place in the mountains I am in a different world. People standing along the street, here and there, waiting for a bus that might or might not show up. Compare this with traffic in New York! Or take a market in Morocco. Very disorienting. A snake charmer sitting next to a man who sells CDs of U2 and Hamza el Din. When I go to bed at night in a foreign city, my thoughts flash from a historical novel I am reading (past) to the email from the US on my laptop (future, because eventually I will go back home) to the strange fruit I ate for lunch (present time.)
So, if I can move my thoughts around in past, present, future, home, foreign city, strange fruit, ghost story I hear from a native, music that blends East and West, some German words that come to mind because I am thinking about my mother.....all this while getting ready to tour my favorite musician's birthplace.... I can open my mind to Erick Setiawan's emotional wonderland (wander-land?) of bees and mist.
chris227 wrote:
Oops...you're absolutely right. I had my eyes open to the idea of a fantasy world but everytime I try to picture an actual place it's here in the US.
So I guess the birth could be past or modern era...so here I am back at square one again!
Sunltcloud wrote:This might be true for many Western countries, but in many places in the world men are still not permitted to attend delivery. In Russia men only recently took to the idea.
An article about "Traditional Midwifery Care in Malaysia and Indonesia states:
"Birth is a social event in the rural areas. Other mothers will sit with the laboring woman, chewing the redstaining betel nut, and offering advice and assistance. Men are generally excluded from the birthing room, in the belief that the pregnant woman's blood is contaminating, although the father enters soon after delivery. If the birth is difficult,the women will perform symbolic rituals, and a bomoh may be called in to ease the pain with distraction techniques. For instance, the bomoh might blow on the mother's head while chanting mantras, or he might alternately spray her head with betel leaf juice while reciting the mantras."
chris227 wrote in part:The more I read the more confused I become about the time the story takes And then the thing that really makes me think the story setting is in the past was the whole childbrith scene - the midwife was brought to the house, Daniel was kept out of the room, and it was said that childbirth was "nothing for a man to see." Now it is common for the father to be in the delivery room and childbirth isn't thought of as an "image of horror" as it is in the book.
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06-09-2009 03:34 AM
Were your first impressions of Meridia's new family accurate?
Not quite. Malin's turn on her mother suprised me. I thought she enjoyed having Eva in her pocket. It was a bit of a revelation for me when she told Meridia "When I first met you, I though you had it in you to stick it to her." (ch. 13). I was also surprised in that same chapter that she warned Meridia that the necklace Mama gave her probably had a charm on it. True, it probably was part of Malin's evil plan to break up Meridia and Daniel...but it still was surprising to me that she hated her mother so much.
In what ways has Meridia grown up in these chapters?
I think she went from the niave belief that Eva was a loving mother to all of her children to the realization that that maybe her own mother was much better than she had always believed. She couldn't wait to leave Monarch St. before, but it was the first place she ran to when she left Daniel. It reminds me of leaving home for college. I couldn't wait to get out of my parents' house. But when those first troubles start...I just wanted to run home.
Meridia also learns to hold her spine stiff like Ravenna had always preached to her and not be pushed around by Eva.
How have her feelings for her own family changed? Have your feelings for Ravenna and Gabriel changed in these chapters?
Like I said above, I think she realizes that her mother was a better mother than she first believed and that somewhere in that cold heart Gabriel still cares for her. It also showed that there is a powerful connection between Ravenna and Meridia when Ravenna was the only one to finally notice the bees during her labor. I'm still very frustrated with Gabriel for punishing Meridia with his hatred for Ravenna. I'm on the border of liking Ravenna. She seems more caring now and more in tune with Meridia's needs.
What do the role do the scents of Verbena and of Roses have in the story? It there a scent you recognize and associate with a loved one or a family member?
Verbena is Ravenna scent and Roses is Eva's scent. Wierd but true, the smell of ICY/HOT for sore muscles reminds me of my Grandma. It was an "old lady" scent that always hit me when I entered her house.
What characteristics seem to make up the Willow Street house? (Please be careful of spoilers in answering!)
Small, cozy and simple. Private space.
Why has Hannah appeared again, and why has she disappeared? Do you believe in her?
I believe in Hannah as a ghost/guardian angel. I haven't read past Ch. 19, but I'd like to think Ravenna has powers of her own and has sent Hannah to help Meridia when she cannot. Ravenna doesn't seem to be able to give that warm love that Hannah has given Meridia. I think Hannah disappears when she has given Meridia the little push she needs to keep going and when Meridia is able to stand on her own, Hannah leaves again.
What birth stories have we had in the novel so far? What do each of them have to show us about the characters involved? Is the story of your birth always part of your own personal mythology of who you are? As far as I can remember, we've heard about the birth of Meridia, Patina's child, a little about the birth of Eva's children, and now the birth of Noah. Each of those stories showed how much those mothers were willing to suffer to bring those children to earth. It also shows how strongly they love those children. Sadly Eva uses the hours of labor as guilt tools over her family. Growing up, I loved hearing the story of my birth. It always began with how much my mother wanted another baby. It always made me feel loved and valued.
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06-09-2009 04:42 AM
1) Were your first impressions of Meridia's new family accurate?
No - at first I thought Meridia had gotten lucky and had fallen into a "normal" family; however, it was quickly revealed how cruel and controlling Eva was to Permony, Elias, Daniel, Patina and Meridia. It also became very apparent of Meridia's "role" in the family - as was everyone else's.
2) In what ways has Meridia grown up in these chapters?
At first, Meridia is mesmerized by her new family and all the attention she was being given. Not long though, Meridia awakens to her "role" in the family. She begins to question her "role", Eva's treatment toward Patina and later Patina's relationship and her serfdom imposed by Eva, the lack of time Daniel and she have together, and finally Daniel's financial state and the lack of a monthly salary.
As Meridia begins to question and become curious of her new family --- Eva begins to react more negatively toward Meridia.
3) How have her feelings for her own family changed? Have your feelings for Ravenna and Gabriel changed in these chapters?
Meridia initially welcomes her new family but returns to her parents when her new found family and marriage to Daniel goes sour.
Ravenna and Gabriel became protectors and supporters of Meridia and her situation and later become some of the only sane ones as they come up with a solution that works for everyone. I was impressed as to how Ravenna and Gabriel stepped up to the plate and worked together to help their daughter.
4) What do the role do the scents of Verbena and of Roses have in the story? It there a scent you recognize and associate with a loved one or a family member?
Ravenna's scent is Verbena. The stench of the dying roses which seemed to only disrupt Meridia's sleep was Eva's scent --- as Daniel confirmed when Meridia asked him what the awful stench was and he responded by saying it smells like mama.
Additionally, when Meridia begins to suffer from migraines she notices when her mother's verbana scent is nearby -- the migraines disappear as does her crazy mother-in-law, Eva. Meridia is so impressed by the power of verbana that she buys some to keep all bad things away. I liken this to garlic to keep the vampires away!
Aqua Velva is a smell I will always associate with my father --- even though he is now retired and to him that means he no longer shaves. (my 2 boys think he is the living version of Santa Claus)
Potato soup and coffee with lots of flavored creamer are both smells I associate with my grandmother --- even though she has been gone (but not forgotten) for 10+ years.
5) What characteristics seem to make up the Willow Street house? (Please be careful of spoilers in answering!)
175 Willow Street is a house that has not been maintained... it has a leaky roof and holes in the floorboards and is quite drafty. However, Meridia and Daniel both push up their sleeves and make it a home and shop of their own. The Willow Street home reminds me of my first place -- I was at college and the apartment was very rundown but it was mine! I know we have all had that first place of our own. No matter how bad it was --- it still holds some fond memories as that first step of independence -- much like Meridia and Daniel's first step of independence.
6) Why has Hannah appeared again, and why has she disappeared? Do you believe in her?
I believe that Hannah appears when Meridia needs her the most --- when she encounters a new situation. First time followed the nurse's departure. The second time followed Daniel and Meridia moving into 175 Willow Street.
Now there has been a lot of discussion on the "letters" that Hannah wrote. Well, haven't we all written a note to oneself --- who is to say that Meridia was not writing Hannah --- my bets are still that Hannah is an imaginary friend.
Imaginary friends exist sometimes for a short period of time and sometimes for a lifetime. My father tells me that I had an imaginary friend when I was under 5 years of age ... she was a yellow duck! No I didn't live on a farm. The duck would sit at a separate chair at mealtime and no one could sit in that chair for fear that the duck would be smashed. I don't remember "writing" letters or receiving letters from my friend the yellow duck - however, I do know I ran a neighborhood post office at the same time and all the neighborhood kids could mail and pick up their mail at the time... perhaps my friend the duck corresponded with me through a letter or two.
7) What birth stories have we had in the novel so far? What do each of them have to show us about the characters involved? Is the story of your birth always part of your own personal mythology of who you are?
Ravenna gave birth to Meridia almost 8 weeks early. The labor lasted 27 hours. Meridia was essentially born dead but Ravenna "brings" her back to life.
Meridia gives birth to Noah 6 weeks early. The labor lasted 18 hours. During Meridia's labor she loses a lot of blood and almost goes unconscious due to a curse Eva puts on her. Ravenna keeps Meridia from losing consciousness but unfortunately Meridia is harmed physically and the midwife explains that she will never have another child.
Both Ravenna and Meridia have their babies delivered by midwives. There is no mention of hospitals or doctors. This may be an indication of a particular time period or place.
I connect with Meridia's delivery of Noah. My first son was delivered by emergency C-section under general anthesia. My son had an apgar score of 1 when he was born -- barely having a faint pulse. I quit breathing, my heart stopped and I received 6+ units of blood and lots of prayers.... death was so close to both my son and me; as well as Meridia and Noah. I was in a hospital with a lot of extra people and equipment... in contrast Meridia was in a bedroom in her home with a midwife and her mother.
Re: Middle Chapters, 10 - 19
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06-09-2009 06:50 AM
kaylami wrote:Not quite. Malin's turn on her mother suprised me. I thought she enjoyed having Eva in her pocket. It was a bit of a revelation for me when she told Meridia "When I first met you, I though you had it in you to stick it to her." (ch. 13). I was also surprised in that same chapter that she warned Meridia that the necklace Mama gave her probably had a charm on it. True, it probably was part of Malin's evil plan to break up Meridia and Daniel...but it still was surprising to me that she hated her mother so much.
I found that surprising as well. After all, Eva spoils Malin, so I did not expect Malin to turn on her and be happy that Meridia was going against her.
"A house without books is like a room without windows."--Horace Mann
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06-09-2009 07:56 AM
I'm glad Meridia finally stood up to her new family and got out of their house, but this story is like a roller coaster. Once you think all is well another twist is thrown at you, which is what real life is. So, mixed in with the mystical are a lot of lessons learned. Meridia had to grow up in order to cope with all her problems. Her feelings changed for her own family as well, especially her mother, who I think she now admires for her strength in time of trouble. I also believe that she has somewhat of an admiration for Eva and has taken some of her traits, but used them for good and not spite like Eva does. Meridia is more sure of herself, where Eva is so insecure that she is jealous of everyone and everything. And the bees, are they a symbol of chaos? I can't imagine they are real, just a metaphor for Eva's tantrums.
Scents - I have memories of certain scents linked with people, especially from childhood. I can remember perfumes of some of my aunts when they came to visit. Even now when I smell that scent somewhere it brings back memories, good and bad.
I believe Hannah will be back again. She is Meridia's strength to help her think through her problems and come up with a way to deal with life.
I am hooked and have a hard time putting this book down, but also am afraid there will be heartbreak that I will not like.
Re: Middle Chapters, 10 - 19
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06-09-2009 09:20 AM
hookedonbooks09 wrote:Those stinking bees! So nobody has a spare can of Raid?! And while they're at it, a nice squirt in the face for Missy Eva isn't a bad idea!
Okay, I feel better now. :-)
I think that Meridia grew up quite a lot in this part of the book, and I was amused to see that she took a lot of her lessons from Eva, and then turned them around for her own good.
I was pleased to see Daniel finally see through his mother's wiles. Well, sort of. I'm still a little worried that he will be swayed back and turn against Meridia, but hopefully not.
I liked that Ravenna came out of her forgetfulness to help her daughter in a no-nonsense type of way, if not necessarily an affectionate way. But then, that's not Ravenna!
I have liked the book all along, but found that it became more of a page-turner for me in this second section.
--Barb
I agree wholeheartedly that Meridia found alot of Eva's teachings to be quite useful and it's been such a delight to watch her grow up quickly and use those things "right back atcha".....
I too just haven't given Daniel the complete checkmark of approval. He is heading in the right direction but still just hasn't completely forbidden Eva from being around. And things are starting to go right back to the way they were as far as the money......yet lo and behold they have devised a clever scheme to cover that up!
I enjoyed the first part of the book, but spent alot of time opening myself up to the magical part of it and accepting that.
This second section that we have read is an absolute page turner as now all these things are starting to step up a notch. The characters are all coming together and their personal stories are starting to make the reader feel for them a little differently that at first glance.......can't wait to pick up reading again but it's ALWAYS easier for me to follow the schedule so I don't take a chance on spoiling anything!
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06-09-2009 10:28 AM
Meridia has matured in these chapters. She has a house of her own, a son, a husband and she has to support herself (no help from her family). She knows her responsibilities, and never complains about caring for her child, or cleaning the house, or helping in the shop. She enjoys her new live with Daniel, but wishes that they could be more independent of Daniels family.
Both Verbena's and Roses are thorny flowers. They have beautiful flowers, but can be very painful at the same time. I know that Verbena is the perfect scent for Ravenna because she is a very quietbeautiful woman with a good heart, but she can also stab you within the blink of an eye if you cross her path in any wrong way. I know my mother by her perfume. She always wears Donna Karan Cashmere Mist. Whenever I smell that I think of her, no matter where I am.
The characteristics of the Willow Street house are ugly on the outside, but beautiful and warm on the inside. Yes, the walls are paper thin and there are holes in the roof, and the place is basically run dow, but Meridia makes it their home. She keeps it clean and free of pests. Although it is an ugly place, it is beautiful to her and her little family because it is theirs. It is the only place that they can call their own.
Hannah only appears when Meridia is worried, or really needs help, and is alone. When she was thinking of how to survive off of the little money thatshe had, Hannah magically showed up in a lonely alley. Hannah also appeared when Meridia was sitting alone in the schoolyard when she was younger. Basically, Hannah is just an imaginary friend to Meridia. She was so used to being alone and not having anyone to talk to, she just decided to invent Hannah to have in her time of need.
There have been 4 births in the book, and all 4 have been very painful ones. The first one was Ravenna giving birth to Meridia. When Meridia came out, she was not breathing, and they were going to claim her dead until Ravenna made her breathe again. Ravenna was put through a great scare. The second one was the story that Meridia heard about Eva. When Eva was giving birth to her second daughter, Permony, she was in labor for 80 hours and would not stop bleeding. It was torture for her. The third birth was when Meridia found out that Patina had given birth to a daughter that died, which hurt Patina very deeply. The fourth birth was when Meridia gave birth to her son Noah. The baby did not want to come out and she went through extreme pain not only with the birthing process, but also with all the bees that were attacking her. There had not been one smooth and pain free birth in this book so far.
-Immanuel Kant
Re: Middle Chapters, 10 - 19
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06-09-2009 11:25 AM
"I found that surprising as well. After all, Eva spoils Malin, so I did not expect Malin to turn on her and be happy that Meridia was going against her."
did not surprise me as Meridia has grown a backbone while the rest of the family members are spineless! Malin almost admires and looks up to Meridia for her ability to be an independent person not under Eva's control.