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06-11-2009 01:30 PM
Erick_Setiawan wrote:
I came to the States with my older brother. I was 16 (a junior in high school), he was 19 (a freshman in college). We came here in the summer of '91, and our parents had arranged for us to take an intensive English course at UC Riverside for three months. If anybody knows where that is, it's a desert town about two hours/an hour and a half away from LA. Blazing hot during the day, dead (and freezing) at night, everyone was a stranger, and not too much was happening except for the campus (and oh, we homestayed with a Mormon family).
Hey Erick,
I hope this highlighted part was a good experience for you with a good family! I am a Mormon too, so of course this stood out to me. This is why I am hoping it was a good caring family. By just telling people you are Mormon, they have preconceived ideas of who we are too! So the church is often judged by each member or family, for the good or bad. I suppose that is true of many religions, we all are either ambassadors for our religion or horrible examples lol. Please tell me it was not with one of the cults who use parts of our name, OH MY! ![]()
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06-11-2009 02:57 PM
vivico1 wrote:
Erick_Setiawan wrote:
I came to the States with my older brother. I was 16 (a junior in high school), he was 19 (a freshman in college). We came here in the summer of '91, and our parents had arranged for us to take an intensive English course at UC Riverside for three months. If anybody knows where that is, it's a desert town about two hours/an hour and a half away from LA. Blazing hot during the day, dead (and freezing) at night, everyone was a stranger, and not too much was happening except for the campus (and oh, we homestayed with a Mormon family).
Hey Erick,
I hope this highlighted part was a good experience for you with a good family! I am a Mormon too, so of course this stood out to me. This is why I am hoping it was a good caring family. By just telling people you are Mormon, they have preconceived ideas of who we are too! So the church is often judged by each member or family, for the good or bad. I suppose that is true of many religions, we all are either ambassadors for our religion or horrible examples lol. Please tell me it was not with one of the cults who use parts of our name, OH MY!
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (From software engineering to writing)
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06-11-2009 03:16 PM
Erick,
The career change has suited you perfectly. Congratulations and Good Luck. Oh by the way Thank You for your response.
Erick_Setiawan wrote:
MSaff wrote:Hi Erick,
I must say that you have written a wonderful novel. I am thoroughly enjoying each and every chapter and wonder what or who is going to happen next. Thank you for writing such a provocative story. I love the twists and turns, because it keeps me on my toes.
My question to you is How did you start writing and what motivates you? I would also like to know how you came to write "Of Bees and Mist"? Oops! I guess that's two questions. LOL.
Hi MSaff,
Thank you for being a responsive reader. Keeping readers on their toes--that's one compliment every writer yearns to hear.
How did I start writing? After reading Virginia Woolf's To the Lighthouse in college, I seriously considered choosing writing as a profession, since that book inspired me so much. And I wanted so badly to major in English. But in order to do that, I had to take English classes, most of which required students to speak up in class, and because of my shyness and my insecurity about my adopted language (I had only been in the country for three years then), I couldn't go through with the idea. So I chose Psychology and Computer Science and even went so far as to get a Master's in the latter. Then I started working as a software engineer after graduation, and I knew instantly it wasn't for me. I dreaded waking up in the morning and going to work and sitting in those long meetings listening to people passionately talk about the latest computer innovations, and I felt lost. I remember thinking, Why can't I be as passionate as they are? That's when I started writing (and stealing hours from my increasingly disgruntled bosses in order to do so), partly to escape my job, partly to figure out if it was my true passion. It was, and it still is. But the process went on for years. I wrote two novels before Bees and countless stories and I received hundreds of rejections (more on this on the Meet the Writer section in the book page). And then I started Bees and I knew this one was special.
As to what motivated me to write Bees, please read my earlier post on "Origin of Story."
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Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Why so many numbers?)
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06-11-2009 03:30 PM
Thayer wrote:Erick,
Although this is not my usual genre of choice, I find that I am thorougly enjoying your wonderful debut novel.
This book has enabled me to "step out of the box" so to speak, and I realize that I must stop labelling (and therefore) limiting myself and become more unpredictable in order to not miss out on something unexpected and delightful such as your book.
As you mentioned that you have been reading our posts, you have found no doubt that we leave no stone unturned (i.e., we overanalyze EVERYTHING)
I am intrigued by your methodical use of numerical description. There are many references to numbers and values of time throughout the story. What is the significance of such precise detail?
Hi Thayer,
Thank you for your generous words. I hope you enjoy "stepping out of the box" and I urge you to do more in the future.
About the numbers . . . I hope I'm not the only in the world who's obsessed with numbers. I find myself constantly counting bathroom tiles, kitchen tiles, the number of tables in a restaurant, the number of books in a stack at a bookstore, etc. And what I find is that certain numbers occur again and again, either by chance or arrangement, and usually they're multiples of 3. We're all familliar with the number 3 being dominant in fairy tales and mythology: the three bears, the three sisters, the three tasks, the three suitors, the three goddesses (remember the Judgment of Paris?). And having attended Catholic schools for ten years in my early life, I am more than familiar with the Holy Trinity. I suppose that's why I tend to look for multiples of 3 in life. In Chinese culture, the luckiest number is 9, which is 3 x 3. (The unluckiest, by the way, is 4--si--because it's pronounced the same as the word for death.) My personal lucky number is 27, which is 3 x 3 x 3 (isn't that beautiful?). That's why you see a lot of 3's and 9's and 27's in the book. I wanted to create an atmosphere where, just as the dynamics between the characters and their resulting story lines have patterns, the numbers also repeat according to some patterns of their own. If you notice, I also used a lot of colors in the book. In life, numbers are as prevalent as colors, if not more so, even though fewer people are aware of this unless they're obsessed with counting like me.
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06-11-2009 03:31 PM
debbook wrote:
Erick, thank you for the chance to read your book, I am enjoying it immensely. I have a lot of questions but will wait and see if they are answered by the time I finish the book. I love the magical elements of the story and think it is beautifully written.
Hi debbook,
I'm so glad you're loving the book!
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Reaction from non-American readers)
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06-11-2009 03:45 PM
BookWoman718 wrote:Hi Erick,
Please let me first add my thanks both for sharing the book with First Look and for giving so generously of your own time on these boards.
You mentioned that aspects of the story reflect different parts of your background - which I think is one of the things that drew me so completely in. (A restaurant I like here in AZ is named "Cowoy Ciao" - a mix of southwestern and Italian cooking.) Anyway, I'm wondering if you've had feedback from editors in some of the other cultures you mentioned. Is it likely your book will be published in Indonesia, for example? And, if so, what do you think the reaction of readers will be to some of the more "American" incidents; the disobedient daughter-in-law, for example? Would that be seen as not credible? Or as mysterious as the mists? Or as perfectly reasonable behavior in the context of the story, as we saw it here? Or is everyone there going to recognize it as simply "American?"
I hope that when the movie is made there is also no distinguishable place; and that the casting includes a variety of race and body types within each family. Trying to keep it in a sort of dream world will get tricky when it comes to costuming, though...
Hi BookWoman718,
I'm hoping that the book will be published in Indonesia, otherwise many members of my family (including my dad) won't be able to read it. On second thought . . . maybe that's not such a wise idea after all. Family members sometimes think that a character (usually the least appealing one) is based on them, when it's not.
I think non-American readers will go through a similar kind of reading experience as their American counterparts. Some of you were able to jump into the story right away, others took some time. Some immediately saw that the book was a confluence of different cultures and read it as such, and others were a bit lost. I think non-American readers will go through these as well. What's different is that they will identify with different aspects of the book. As you said, American readers identify with Meridia's defiance of Eva; readers from different cultures might identify more with Daniel's difficult positon as both son and husband, or they might empathize more with Ravenna. Some parts might jar them more, but since the book is set in no particular place and no particular time, I don't think it will be a problem once they simply let their imagination take over.
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (All about the cover)
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06-11-2009 03:49 PM
LISA-BRYAN wrote:Erick-
I have another question regarding the cover -- On the back - lower right at the base of the yellow flower there seems to be a set of eyeglasses. These really come into view better when you look at them while rotating the book. However, when you look a the bases of other flowers -- it seems you are seeing the eyeglasses from the side.
Am I just seeing things (I am due for an eye appointment
) or are those really eyeglasses?
Also I am one of those people who have seen the upside down and rightside up ghosts on the front cover -- it is very intriguing how they are in line with the pairs of eyes.
Lastly, it is also interesting how the vines form closed spaces -- boxes -- on the spine and on the front cover.
Thank you and Kerri for such a wonderful cover -- it really adds to the book!
Hi LISA-BRYAN,
Thank you for your detailed attention to the cover. Kerri posted a great message on her board about the ambiguity of the cover and what different people take from it. I'll let her have the definitive say on this. Just as reading is very much an individual interpretation, looking at that cover (or any cover) should be, too!
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Welcome)
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06-11-2009 04:07 PM
Hi Erick,
Thank you for the opportunity to read your book and for taking the time to answer our questions. I love your book and it brought to mind another favorite, "Life of Pi." Was it your intent that the colors, symbols scents, etc were a coping mechanism for Meridia? And also I was wondering if any of your characters were based on people you know.
Sorry if anyone has asked this already.
Thanks again, Gail
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06-11-2009 05:54 PM
Especially in chapters 1 through 9, I was up and down on my opinion.
Now that I am at the half way point, chapters 10 through 19 sent me in a whole new direction of thinking where it was going and where it would take me.
I think it will be in my "it is a good book" pile.
pen21
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Names)
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06-11-2009 07:13 PM
I am interested in your thoughts on this post which I read on another thread and pasted here:
In what ways does this severe break up of Meridia and Daniel from their in-laws serve to help them start out on their own?
Everytime I read the story while these two were still living in Daniel's parents home I felt very heavy and just felt like I couldn't breathe. I don't know if that was because they felt restricted and suffocated, but once they broke out and moved into their own home, that feeling went away for me and I started to feel light and didn't have this cloud and negative energy over my head anymore. It was very weird. I don't know maybe somewhere in my past life I could relate to this story in a way.
by dclement04
It seemed to be a foregone conclusion that Daniel and Merida would live in Daniel's parents home. Why was it never considered that they live in Merida's parents home even after the big fight and Merida was chucked out? Was this because Gabriel would not want it, or were we to assume it was a cultural norm in the 'nowhere' place they lived?
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06-11-2009 08:44 PM
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Why so many numbers?)
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06-11-2009 11:25 PM
Dear Erick,
Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful book with us at First Look. I'm absolutely enjoying it!
Thanks too for answering the question about the numbers. That's one of the things I really wanted to know about. I even went to some websites for information on the meaning of numbers in Chinese culture.
I love the way you wrote: your words, images, numbers, colors, magic, etc. Everything fits so well together into one amazing story. I cannot wait to finish it!
Erick_Setiawan wrote:
Thayer wrote:Erick,
Although this is not my usual genre of choice, I find that I am thorougly enjoying your wonderful debut novel.
This book has enabled me to "step out of the box" so to speak, and I realize that I must stop labelling (and therefore) limiting myself and become more unpredictable in order to not miss out on something unexpected and delightful such as your book.
As you mentioned that you have been reading our posts, you have found no doubt that we leave no stone unturned (i.e., we overanalyze EVERYTHING)
I am intrigued by your methodical use of numerical description. There are many references to numbers and values of time throughout the story. What is the significance of such precise detail?
Hi Thayer,
Thank you for your generous words. I hope you enjoy "stepping out of the box" and I urge you to do more in the future.
About the numbers . . . I hope I'm not the only in the world who's obsessed with numbers. I find myself constantly counting bathroom tiles, kitchen tiles, the number of tables in a restaurant, the number of books in a stack at a bookstore, etc. And what I find is that certain numbers occur again and again, either by chance or arrangement, and usually they're multiples of 3. We're all familliar with the number 3 being dominant in fairy tales and mythology: the three bears, the three sisters, the three tasks, the three suitors, the three goddesses (remember the Judgment of Paris?). And having attended Catholic schools for ten years in my early life, I am more than familiar with the Holy Trinity. I suppose that's why I tend to look for multiples of 3 in life. In Chinese culture, the luckiest number is 9, which is 3 x 3. (The unluckiest, by the way, is 4--si--because it's pronounced the same as the word for death.) My personal lucky number is 27, which is 3 x 3 x 3 (isn't that beautiful?). That's why you see a lot of 3's and 9's and 27's in the book. I wanted to create an atmosphere where, just as the dynamics between the characters and their resulting story lines have patterns, the numbers also repeat according to some patterns of their own. If you notice, I also used a lot of colors in the book. In life, numbers are as prevalent as colors, if not more so, even though fewer people are aware of this unless they're obsessed with counting like me.
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Magic)
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06-12-2009 09:27 AM
Thanks, Erick!
I can't wait to read the finished book, as well (and your future books)!
Dawn
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06-12-2009 01:02 PM
Erick,
great 1st novel. And thanks for letting us read it.
I have some questions:
Was much of this book based on customs, myths and supersitions from Eastern cultures?
Did you do any research into past customs etc.?
Were you writing it with any leanings toward metaphysical concepts?
Where did your basic idea come from?
Where did the idea of an invisible friend, Hannah, come from?
And when Hannah and Meridia would go visiting neighbors did anyone else see Hannah?
Was any of this novel based on personal experiences?
Have you ever had any mystical experiences yourself?
Some of these questions may have already been asked..I have not read all the posts yet.
thanks..
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Street Names)
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06-12-2009 01:08 PM
LISA-BRYAN wrote:Dear Erick-
I appreciate your letter and your background. This is my first First Look book and I am still learning the ropes -- the do's and don'ts.
I have finished reading "Of Bees and Mist" and I can say that it is a wonderful book. It is not the type of genre I usually read but the book grabs you and doesn't let go until you stay up and quietly read while the rest of your family sleeps. The complexity of the characters and the cover with all its hidden objects ---- very interesting.
I love how the book is timeless and also placeless. I never even missed it --- it would not work for all books but for "Of Bees and Mist" it wouldn't work any other way.
I am still trying to figure out all the symbolism with the numbers 3, 10.... and the names of roads, streets.... Do you have any explanation for these.
"Of Bees and Mist" is truly a book that makes you think! So many books are like watching TV in that they require little to no thinking on the readers part. Reading should be exercise for the mind and you have accomplished that without forcing it upon the reader -- excellent job!
In closing I want to say how very privileged I feel by having the opportunity to read such a wonderful book.
Thank you so much for your time and effort in creating this great book!
Hi LISA-BRYAN,
Thank you for being a great first-time First Looker. I'm thrilled that you've finished the book (even though you're not supposed to!).
Please read my earlier post on "Why so many numbers" where I discussed why some numbers seem to pop up again and again in the book.
About the names of the streets . . . I wanted to contrast Ravenna's and Eva's families from the get-go, so I knew the names of the streets would be crucial. Monarch seems to me to encapsulate the essence of Gabriel--he is a gentleman of leisure whose profession is a bit unclear and seems to have an unlimited amount of money (since you've finished the book, you know of his true condition). Monarch also seems to me a bit cold, old-fashioned, rigid with rules and trappings. Orchard, on the other hand, is warm and bustling, abundant, fruitful (at least at first sight!). And the name also implies that Eva's family still needs to work to earn their livelihood, so these two names are also an indication of their respective social and economic status. The fact that Gabriel once mocks Elias as "a middling tradesman" reinforces this divide between them.
The street names for the two jewelry shops, Willow Lane and Lotus Blossom Lane, I borrowed from Asian culture (please read my other post on Cultural Influences). Lotus Blossom, especially, seems very Chinese to me. I grew up in Jakarta's old jewelry district, which was called Kenanga Alley (Kenanga is a tropical version of ylang-ylang). Both of my grandfathers were jewelers, so as a nod to them and to my childhood memory, I wanted the street names for the jewelry shops to be some kind of plant names.
You've hit it right on the head with that comment about books that encourage readers to think and imagine for themselves. Otherwise, why not just watch a movie or look at a painting?
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06-12-2009 01:12 PM
mv5ocean wrote:Erick,
Thanks for such an amazing eye opener! Although not my typical read, this book has been an incentive to step outside of my element and be totally open to anything.
I found myself wondering at the beginning how I could get into the book without concrete "givens" such as time and place, but that is EXACTLY what makes this book so special.
I agree with other readers on here that years later people will be calling this book a "classic" and speaking of its "timelessness."
You have managed to weave daily conflict and strife in with intrigue and things that I don't even know if magic is the correct term. It's definitely more of a symbolic/metaphorical kind of surrealism. It makes magic seem almost tame to what is going on here.............
Of all the First Looks I have been involved in, THIS is the one that I find so hard to put down! (Of course I must because if not I would probably type in the dreaded "spoiler".......)
I want to congratulate you on your certain success, and also say that you are an inspiration to many because of your determination and intense desire to follow your dreams!
In addition, I have thoroughly enjoyed your enlightening sense of humor during the response to posts! You are the complete package!!!!
Best of luck and I look forward to the coming story you are brewing up!!!!
Hi mv5ocean,
Thank you for your many kind comments. It truly warms my heart to read them. I hope the rest of the book doesn't let you down!
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06-12-2009 01:17 PM
biljounc63 wrote:Erick,
I'm enjoying the book so far and was wonder if you can picture the "Mrs. Olson" character we have been talking about as the mental image of Eva? Little House on the Prarrie ran from 1974-84 I agree with others that Eva is much worse than Harriet Olson was on the show but it creates a clear picture in my mind of who she is.
Hi biljounc63,
I have actually never watched Little House on the Prairie, so I don't know who Mrs. Olson was. They showed reruns in Jakarta when I was growing up, but I never got into it. I did read the books and enjoy them very much (most people read them when they were kids--I read the books when I was 23 and they still moved me). Besides, in my head, Eva is synonimous with my paternal grandmother, on whom she is based, so I can't really picture anybody else as her. Please read my earlier post on "Inspiration for Ravenna and Eva."
Thanks for writing in.
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06-12-2009 02:00 PM
Erick_Setiawan wrote:
Hi Thayer,
Thank you for your generous words. I hope you enjoy "stepping out of the box" and I urge you to do more in the future.
About the numbers . . . I hope I'm not the only in the world who's obsessed with numbers. I find myself constantly counting bathroom tiles, kitchen tiles, the number of tables in a restaurant, the number of books in a stack at a bookstore, etc. And what I find is that certain numbers occur again and again, either by chance or arrangement, and usually they're multiples of 3. We're all familliar with the number 3 being dominant in fairy tales and mythology: the three bears, the three sisters, the three tasks, the three suitors, the three goddesses (remember the Judgment of Paris?). And having attended Catholic schools for ten years in my early life, I am more than familiar with the Holy Trinity. I suppose that's why I tend to look for multiples of 3 in life. In Chinese culture, the luckiest number is 9, which is 3 x 3. (The unluckiest, by the way, is 4--si--because it's pronounced the same as the word for death.) My personal lucky number is 27, which is 3 x 3 x 3 (isn't that beautiful?). That's why you see a lot of 3's and 9's and 27's in the book. I wanted to create an atmosphere where, just as the dynamics between the characters and their resulting story lines have patterns, the numbers also repeat according to some patterns of their own. If you notice, I also used a lot of colors in the book. In life, numbers are as prevalent as colors, if not more so, even though fewer people are aware of this unless they're obsessed with counting like me.
Hi Erick,
That is so interesting! My daughter, Emily Anne (9 letters) was born on 9/9! A Chinese relative told us that was a very lucky number...we in no way planned this! It has served her well so far![]()
Paula
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06-12-2009 02:13 PM
Fozzie wrote:Erick, thanks so much for your thoughtful and thorough responses to the questions posed so far.
I have a question on the pacing and momentum of the book. Yes, I admit, I have completed it, but no spoilers here. It seemed to me as I was reading that the pace and momentum of the book sped up as the book went on. The first fourth felt like it was paced as background and "getting to know you," in the second fourth things starting happening with the characters and some mysteries were unraveling a bit, the pace picked up in the third section even more, and by the fourth section, I felt like the speed was in high gear.
Did you deliberately work on the pacing and/or momentum of the story or did it just come "naturally" as a result of the way the plot flows?
Hi Fozzie,
I didn't consciously work on the pacing and I'm glad that it worked out as well as you described. I think with any book (even a suspense/thriller with a bomb exploding in the first paragraph), the first 50 or 100 pages always seem the slowest, not because there isn't any intrigue or mystery going on, but because the readers need to adjust themselves to the world described in the pages. They need to get to know the characters first, have a mental picture in their heads, and develop a feel for where the story is going. Once you pass the 100-page mark, hopefully all the gears are in place and the writer can zoom off with the story line. And so it is with this book. If the last 100 pages seemed to be in high gear to you, I think it's just a natural result of how everything flows. Besides, at this point, hopefully you'll be invested enough in the characters and you can't wait to see what happens to them.
Re: Questions for Erick Setiawan? (Inspiration for Eva and Ravenna)
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06-12-2009 02:16 PM
dragonfly_yayn wrote:Erick,
You truly are a gifted writer. I too have had difficulty in putting this down and have read almost to the end when I finally forced myself to put it down so that I won't spill the dreaded spoiler. That said, I have enjoyed the cover almost as much and am thouroughly captivated by your responces. The insights into your life are so inspirational and the answers on the book are wonderful in the aspect that they answer the questions with a sense of humor without giving any of the book away, and yet you are still able to add more mystery for us (yes even those of us who read way to far ahead). Thank you
Erick_Setiawan wrote:Hi joyfull,
I'm glad you're having fun with the book. About the coupons . . . my mom is actually more similar to Ravenna: she rarely looks at the price tag when she buys anything. This, of course, causes my dad endless headache when he has to pay the bills. I actually didn't encounter the whole coupon business until I came to the States. In Indonesia, stores either had fixed prices or you had to haggle your way to the death (things have changed since I left, I assume). When I came to the States, I was fascinated by how many people were so eager to clip coupons and storm the grocery stores during double coupon days. I remember telling my mom to do the same when she came here for a visit and she just looked at me as if I'd gone insane.
Eva is based on my paternal grandmother. She had ten children (my dad was the second oldest), and she always set them at odds so that they would fight and bicker with each other. When this happened, they always ran to her for advice and comfort, and I think that made her feel needed, respected, important. She had eight daughters-in-law and she didn't get along with a single one of them. My mom, for one, had many an unpleasant name for her. As a child, I was both terrified and amused by the dynamics between them. I used a lot of their interactions to inform Meridia's relationship with Eva.
I'm so glad you like Ravenna! She is actually my favorite character (and my agent's, too). I know First Lookers said a lot of unflattering comments about her especially during the first segment, and I hope you'll change your mind by the end of the book. Bring her up again in two weeks and I'll let you in on the inspiration behind her.
Hi dragonfly_yayn,
Thank you for the compliments. I love a happy reader! And that book cover probably had triggered as much discussion as the book itself. I can't say enough good things about it.