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06-01-2009 12:52 AM
Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
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06-01-2009 04:58 AM
rkubie wrote:Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
The cooking is a means to escape from reality and putting negative energy in her cooking rather than acting out against the people in her life. Cooking is not a sign of domesticity for Ravenna more like transferred aggression.
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06-01-2009 06:31 AM
I find it revealing (indication that the mother does care about the child) that Meridia is visited by the “blinding flash of light” in the middle of the night, for which she has no explanation until she is older and “concluded that the dream and the ghost were a direct reflection of her mother’s emotions.” That explains the fact that Meridia is “crushed against Ravenna’s bosom” in the dream.
The mirror, which Meridia claimed at the beginning of the story, did not tell the truth, is indeed telling the truth, the hidden, deep down truth.
Meridia, like most neglected children, adores her mother, and tries very hard to decipher her “foreign language.” She stands by the kitchen door and watches her. How sad and lonely. Ravenna is sharp-edged where she should be soft and warm and the iron knot on the back of her head is a metaphor for all that is hardened in Ravenna.
The relationship between mother and daughter changes somewhat when Meridia wants to get married; Ravenna is on her side, fights for her rights, fights against Gabriel’s clichéd demands and pitiful outburst about Daniel’s lack of education and money. While she normally does not even see her daughter, for the first time she talks seriously to her and says “Whatever you do, do not repeat my mistakes.”
Ravenna has a “stormy relationship with the house.” It seems that she only resides in the kitchen which is her outlet for her anger. I have seen a woman before, who was so angry with her husband that she would bang pots and pans, flail a butcher knife, and chop everything into bits and pieces.
Ravenna reminds me of her as she beheads the famous cauliflowers and tosses eighteen courses of the meal at her husband. There is no harmony in this house and the kitchen that is supposed to nourish a family is the ultimate battlefield.
rkubie wrote:Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
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06-01-2009 09:39 AM
rkubie wrote:Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
I think the house is somehow making Ravenna pay for saving Meridia's life. Meridia by all accounts was born dead and it feels like Ravenna made a deal with the devil to bring her daughter to life. To that end, she has been deprived of happiness and the ability to care and love her daughter the way she should. I think that all the cooking is her way of providing for her child and her husband. Gabriel may have had to make the same deal although less willingly. I find it interesting though that Gabriel and Ravenna are never in the same room together with Meridia...almost like one would not exist if the other is there -- two halves of the same person perhaps...
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06-01-2009 09:44 AM
Cooking seems to be Ravenna's outlet for her frustration and anger. Also though, I saw the cooking as "nesting". Her family, house, and their emotions were in total turmoil. Some people try to create stability by cooking, cleaning, and organizing. Her relationships with Gabriel was all consuming for Ravenna. She could not focus on anything other than his turning away from her and dealing with the consequences of his actions. This changed only when Meridia would go through major events such as wanting to marry Daniel and having a baby. Outside of her blazing emotions and ranting, Ravenna wasn't all that extraordinary. She did not stand up for herself or her daughter other than the events mentioned. She remained captive to the house and the magic.
rkubie wrote: Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
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06-01-2009 09:52 AM
Ravenna cooks more than her family can possibly eat because this is the only way she knows to express love. If Meridia had only helped out in the kitchen I think she would have felt more connected to her mother. I think Ravenna's bun shows that she is repressing strong emotions/feelings for her family.
Their relationship becomes one of concern and some understanding but not enough to make up for the years of neglect.
Ravenna's relationship with Gabriel is one of misunderstanding, sadness and hurt that leads to revenge. In this repect I think the house is an extension of Ravenna and cooperates in making Gabriel feel negative and unwelcomed.
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06-01-2009 10:36 AM
Ravenna cooks a lot to show her love for the family. Cooking is her way of dealing with reality. The more she cooks the less she has to worry about day to day events. At times Ravenna forgets her daughter isn't there at all. For example when Ravenna took Meridia to the market and lost her. She was unaware that her child was gone. When she came back she acted as though she was not missing at all. In chapter 1 pg 9 the woman who finds Meridia said,"She 's been looking everywhere for you!." and Ravenna response was "What on earth for? I've been right here all along." Her relationship will change when Meridia gets older and meets Daniel. Ravenna will defend Meridia when the matchmaker comes to ask her to marry Daniel. She will want her daughter to have a better life than the one she has now.
Her relationships with Gabriel is stormy. They tolerate each other for the sake of Meridia. They probably made a deal with the devil to save their still born child. After the birth of Meridia Ravenna became cold and distant from Gabriel. He eventually will seek out other women. Once he did this Ravenna spent more time in the kitchen. The kitchen became her battlefield where she gets to take out her vengeance on the food and pots and pans. This is not a warm place for the family to sit down and enjoy their meal.
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06-01-2009 10:44 AM
I don't know that I would call Ravenna extraordinary, more like bizarre. To me she uses cooking as a means of escape from her non-existent home life as she retreats more and more into her own mind.
In the very early chapters I only saw a distant relationship between daughter and mother, but I'm in the process of changing my mind about Ravenna after the 18 course meal she served to Gabriel. So right now the jury's still out on her.
Her relationship with Gabriel through chapter 9 goes from intense love to intense dislike and only co-existing in the house not living there together.
Ravenna's relationship with the house is still a mystery to me, I feel she and Gabriel both are responsible for the cold and the mists but I'm not sure how or why yet.
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06-01-2009 10:45 AM
On page 76 Ravenna says, "Child you're crying" as if this were the first time she had seen her only child cry. It warmed my heart to read the warmth in Ravenna's heart for her daughter.
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06-01-2009 10:53 AM
I've only just begun reading this book but from what I see only a few chapters in - Ravenna escapes into her cooking. She may not even be aware of the excesses of her production but it keeps her busy and is a way to avoid all of the other stresses of the house.
At this point I have only a small clue of what happened in that house that changed everything. At first I thought she was just an awful mother but as I read more I am not sure if that is the case as much as she needs some intense therapy and help with resolving these issues.....I must read on to see more....
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06-01-2009 12:13 PM
Ravenna appears to be a cold-hearted woman, but I think that is a shell to protect her heart. She cooks out of frustration and because it is expected. I wonder what plans she might have had for her own life before Gabriel and Meridia. Did she want a career, or was she culture one where she was expected to become a wife and mother? Cooking is a catharsis for her, a time when she can sputter about her problems and get some relief. It was regimented (breakfast for Gabriel) and a way to get a point across. This was her only real connection to Gabriel, which is so very sad.
Her relationship with Meridia is confusing to me. I think she loves her, but seems to think that Meridia should know things without being taught. She should understand and follow simply because that is the way it is. There aren't any mother-daughter chats, no special times for them.
Ravenna's relationship with Gabriel is stormy and robotic. I think she loves him and misses their relationship, but doesn't know how to fight for him. She fights the mist expending all of her strength, but loses. How can she fight the past? the silence? Ravenna needs to do her part to fix the marriage, but doesn't seem to have the tools to do that. Maybe that is why her relationship with Meridia is so odd. Maybe Ravenna was never taught what to do; how to fight.
Everything goes back to Meridia's dream. Something major was broken then. Will anyone be able to fix it? Time to read on. <grin>
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06-01-2009 12:22 PM
I am not sure what to think about Ravenna yet. I think she resorts to cooking as a way to focus her anger and bitterness. Yet when Meridia really needs her, she is able to focus briefly on the needs of her child and offer some sense of comfort (ie- Meridia's desire to marry Daniel). I hope their relationship improves as the story continues.
As for her relationship with Gabriel, it is definitely odd and distant. Their arrangement for him to stay as long as she feeds him breakfast in the morning seems disheartening. I'm confused as to how they went from a loving couple to barely tolerating one another. Is his "other woman" a witch of some kind that has placed this curse on them?
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06-01-2009 12:27 PM
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06-01-2009 12:32 PM
1) Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
Ravenna is a complicated woman who cooks as a refuge for her life outside the kitchen. There she can create dishes in a warm room. It does not matter if anyone eats them...only that Ravenna has cooked them...to Ravenna she is the only one who will cook and provide food for her family.
2) What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
Ravenna and Meridia have a very distant relationship while Meridia is a child who resides at home. Their relationship changes when Meridia falls in love with Daniel and wants to marry him. Ravenna sees Meridia's leaving as a gift for Meridia -- she can now have the life her mother never did.
3) What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
Ravenna's relationship with Gabriel is very distant. She cooks for him and he eats. He does not sleep in the house and there are no conversations between the couple. It is like they stay "together" for the sake of Meridia -- not thinking that this could be unhealthy for the child.
4) What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
Ravenna's disappointments with Gabriel are exhibited throughout the house... the mists, the cold, etc.... all of these feelings are projected into the house.
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06-01-2009 12:55 PM
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06-01-2009 02:51 PM
Please describe your impressions of this extraordinary woman. Why does she cook more than her family can possibly eat? Cooking is often a sign of great domesticity--is this so for Ravenna?
Ravenna has a face which is sharply angular. Her black hair is swept into an implacable knot. She has a stiff sudden manner and wears a plain black dress with a white apron. My impression of Ravenna is of a wife who has a lot of anger. Her kitchen is her sanctuary and she powers her venom into endless meals that she cooks. Her vegetables represent her sorrow and despair and she takes her fury out on her pots and pans.
Ravenna’s overcooking and serving her husband endless meals and then discarding them is not her domesticity coming out but her way of expressing their 18 years of grief and regret.
What do you make of her relationship with her daughter? How do you see their relationship changing (if at all)?
Meridia and Ravenna’s relationship is very strained because of the problems with her mother’s marriage. As Meridia moves around her house, Ravenna is not aware of Meridia’s presence and therefore tends to think her mother is not interested in her. There seems to be a wall between them. It’s not until Ravenna notices that her daughter is in love that she finally seems to take an interest in Meridia. She takes Meridia’s side in the discussion with Gabriel in regards to Meridia’s pending marriage. She tells Gabriel that Meridia is a “grown women who knows what she wants and is capable of bearing children and responsible enough to merit her freedom.” She warns Meridia though: “Whatever you do, do not repeat my mistakes.”
What is her relationship with Gabriel like?
The maid revealed to Meridia that at one time that Gabriel and Ravenna did a lot of entertaining and “even a stranger could tell how much they loved each other. It was said that an electric current jolted the room every time their glances met.” But soon after Meridia’s birth: “a cold wind was tearing the house upside down.” The cold seemed to affect Gabriel the most. He became irritable and critical of everything and stopped inviting guests to the house. Ravenna grew agitated and withdrawn, lost her appetite and complained of frequent headaches. It seems to me that Gabriel finds solace with his mistress and Ravenna is left to spend all her time banging her pots and pans in her kitchen.
What is Ravenna's relationship with the house?
Ravenna’s relationship with the house is indicative of her relationship with Gabriel. The house turned very cold the night Gabriel did not come home until the cocks crowed and the mist appeared at the door. The arguments rose to a fever pitch and Ravenna wept around the clock and soon they stopped speaking to each other. Meridia could not understand how Ravenna could sleep in the bedroom which was so cold with a frosty wind fluttering the curtains and rattling the lamps.
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06-01-2009 03:10 PM
I find Ravenna to be a prisoner in her own kitchen. It seems to be the only function she has in life. She dresses in black, is hard, with sharp features and forgets everything that isn't directed toward her cooking.
I feel that she would very much like to have a relationship with her daughter but there is something in behind the seens that keeps her from being able to express that.
I think she loved him so much, that she now hates him for what has become of them.
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06-01-2009 03:22 PM - last edited on 06-01-2009 03:42 PM
Cooking is Ravenna's way to escape the insanity and anger around her. She is not a adomestic goddess. In fact, I got the impression that she was uite the opposite.
She obviously loved her daughter - requested that the nurse take care of and protect her no matter what - now she often does not know that Meridia exists - I also have to ask if this is a defense mechanism or some other way that she is protecting Meridia. Could their relationship change. Not until the mists and whatever curse have been lifted.
Ignoring the anger and disgust, her relationship with Gabriel is one of duty. They have a pact to stay together for whatever reason - one which hopefully be revealed soon.
I think that Ravenna's moods, anxieties, anger, etc... influence how the house behaves. She is its center.
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06-01-2009 03:33 PM
My impression of Ravenna is that she has lost herself. She is angry and frightened and she doesn't know how to show her daughter that she loves her because she is so broken-hearted. Sometimes I get the feeling that she does love her daughter, but she does not have the strength to show her.
Ravenna's anger brought the cold to the house on Monarch Street.
Ravenna distaces herself from her daughter because she does not want her daughter to know her secrets and fears. I think her daughter also reminds her of why she became the woman she is.
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06-01-2009 03:40 PM
Periabd1:
Nice analysis. I haven't really been putting too much thought into the 'born dead'
and the unnatural aspects. I will need to take a second look.
CathyB
Periabd1 wrote:
I really appreciate the comment that Meridia is 'born dead.' I think that's exactly right. From the start Ravenna compels her daughter's survival and there is something in the image of the over abundant kitchen that is meant to demonstrate Ravenna hasn't lost the ability to love or provide -- it's just horribly misdirected. Instead of the nurturing 'heart of the home' kitchen, we get an out of control almost laboratory like kitchen. What was natural has become unnatural.
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