02-17-2009 02:56 PM
02-17-2009 03:02 PM
So far I relate to alot of this book.
Enjoying the read.
"Out" is a good way of describing that concept. Who is there and who isnt.
I also like the Haunted house conecept..the lawns mowed, but no one home.
The people who dont come out anymore.
02-17-2009 03:09 PM
I agree with Vivian in that "being out" had many layers to it depending on your age and your circumstances. I loved the way Benjie used it to check out which of his friends were yet so that he could reconnect. For Benjie and Reggie, those that were out for the summer became their group, how they defined themselves for a few months.
i actually marked some sections regarding being out. On page 2 there is such a good definition of all the meanings with "the magical answer... Through Labor Day or the Whole Summer." Anything less was to signal misfortune. And again toward the bottom of the page "Once we're all out, we can begin."
I also wondered what it said about Benjie's father's method of being out early. Avoiding traffic, leaving early. Also his commentary regarding the radio music. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
02-17-2009 03:15 PM
adopted1- I like your observations about the parents. I am not finished with the book yet but am starting to wonder the same thing. Is this marriage/family having difficulty? When Benjie talks about shutting the windows because his father is yelling and he doesn't want neighbors to hear. The fact that the parents sound like their intent is to come out each weekend but don't. Is it because of financial difficulties or marital problems.
02-17-2009 03:21 PM
02-17-2009 03:31 PM
Kathy there are some great thoughts about the flipping in and out of the radio stations in the first thread on double consciousness. Just an FYI. Very interesting.
To be more precise -- Roller Rink Infinity
02-17-2009 05:16 PM
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02-17-2009 05:38 PM
The New Yorker Mag 12/18/08 Colson Whitehead ..Interview and they also critique a chapter(I will not tell you which one)I read it weeks ago,but it hasn't inteferred with my reading.There was a link in some thread..but I just googled it..VTC
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02-17-2009 09:48 PM
Who's out? is a competition set up by the adults. To be out is to be in Sag Harbor. To be out implies high social status, class, money, affluence. The more affluent tended to be "out" first and early. There's an implication that if you aren't "out" for the whole summer, or early in the summer, and do not stay for the whole summer that something must be wrong. That family then loses "points" in the competition.
This competition is then transferred to the children, due to the adults constantly talking about who's out and who's not. To the children, it's mostely about "who can I play with/hang up with this summer." But to the adults it's about scandal and gossip.
02-17-2009 10:54 PM
02-17-2009 11:08 PM - last edited on 02-18-2009 12:08 AM by Rachel-K
Kathy...I too am still reading the book.
There is definately something going on in the family. What about when the lights got turned off for non-payment. Benji called his mom and all she said that there was some sort of mix up. Makes me wonder what is really going on. Hmmmmmmm.
02-18-2009 12:00 AM
02-18-2009 08:45 AM
Being "out" meant being out in Sag Harbor for the summer vacation, whatever the duration. If you weren't "out" it was usually because of financial, work or other obligations. People came "out" at different times.
I think this was the foremost question in the community because it let the other residents know who was "out", meaning which families were in Sag Harbor and which ones weren't. It was kind of like taking inventory--so and so's here but so and so hasn't come out yet.
02-18-2009 03:04 PM