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03-23-2009 12:10 PM
Maria_H says...
books are already on their way!
Yippieeeeee! Oh! UPS person, wherefore aren't thou??? Over hill and dale, rain, hail, sleet or snow, please deliver my ARC of TPBODD to me this day!!!!!!! =)
I am ready to get started.
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03-23-2009 01:11 PM
ponie wrote:Maria_H says...
books are already on their way!
Yippieeeeee! Oh! UPS person, wherefore aren't thou??? Over hill and dale, rain, hail, sleet or snow, please deliver my ARC of TPBODD to me this day!!!!!!! =)
I am ready to get started.
You might get lucky today! With the previous FL, Sag Harbor, I received the book and confirmation both on the same day
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03-23-2009 06:22 PM
Thanks for the link, ponie! It's a great way to give everyone a feel for the book. I can't wait to get my copy and start reading!
ponie wrote:
Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
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03-23-2009 07:13 PM
Good link, ponie. Looks like the publisher is pouring a lot of money into this selection.
aprilh wrote:Thanks for the link, ponie! It's a great way to give everyone a feel for the book. I can't wait to get my copy and start reading!
ponie wrote:
Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
"I think of literature.....as a vast country to the far borders of which I am journeying but will never reach."
The Uncommon Reader
"You've been running around naked in the stacks again, haven't you?"
"Um, maybe."
The Time Traveler's Wife
It is with books as with men; a very small number play a great part.
Voltaire
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03-23-2009 09:25 PM
Thanks for the link ponie! Great site (and wonderful review by Matthew Pearl...I love his books). It makes me more excited to get the book! Hurry, hurry!!!
ponie wrote:Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
~Professor Albus Dumbledore
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03-23-2009 09:52 PM
I'm so glad you brought up Matthew Pearl, Debs. I've never read him but he's got the new book out regarding Dickens and some other books that look interesting. The reviews however are mixed. Can you tell me which book of his you liked the best or which one would be a good starting point for someone new to his writing? Thanx
DebsScott wrote:Thanks for the link ponie! Great site (and wonderful review by Matthew Pearl...I love his books). It makes me more excited to get the book! Hurry, hurry!!!
ponie wrote:Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
"I think of literature.....as a vast country to the far borders of which I am journeying but will never reach."
The Uncommon Reader
"You've been running around naked in the stacks again, haven't you?"
"Um, maybe."
The Time Traveler's Wife
It is with books as with men; a very small number play a great part.
Voltaire
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03-23-2009 10:41 PM
While I love The Crucible (Penguin Classics Series), I read Miller's play as a parable about the HUAC hearings of the 1950s as much as about the Salem witch trials. This book, Salem Possessed, gives a social and political explanation of the witch trials. The authors marshal historical evidence to contend that the witch trials were the result of a clash between two different factions, one wanting more autonomy between the two parts of Salem, and another wanting the two parts to be more dependent on each other. While this book does not (in my mind at least) answer all the questions about the witch trials (and I freely admit that this particular historical approach will not satisfy everyone), if anyone's looking for something non-fiction to read, I wanted to suggest it.
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03-24-2009 12:03 AM
Anyone read The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Speare?
Here's the review from Amazon.com...
Forced to leave her sunny Caribbean home for the bleak Connecticut Colony, Kit Tyler is filled with trepidation. As they sail up the river to Kit's new home, the teasing and moodiness of a young sailor named Nat doesn't help. Still, her unsinkable spirit soon bobs back up. What this spirited teenager doesn't count on, however, is how her aunt and uncle's stern Puritan community will view her. In the colonies of 1687, a girl who swims, wears silk and satin gowns, and talks back to her elders is not only headstrong, she is in grave danger of being regarded as a witch. When Kit befriends an old Quaker woman known as the Witch of Blackbird Pond, it is more than the ascetics can take: soon Kit is defending her life. Who can she count on as she confronts these angry and suspicious townspeople?
A thoroughly exciting and rewarding Newbery Medal winner and ALA Notable Children's Book, Elizabeth George Speare's The Witch of Blackbird Pond brings this frightening period of witch hysteria to life. Readers will wonder at the power of the mob mentality, and the need for communities in desperate times--even current times--to find a scapegoat. (Ages 9 and older) --Emilie Coulter --
I read it with my girls when they were in middle school and remember liking it very much.
ALSO, I requested The Crucible from my library and will pick it up tomorrow.
I am chompin' at the bit...book not here yet!!!
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03-24-2009 01:14 AM - edited 03-24-2009 01:16 AM
I read it when I was in grade school; Newbery winners were highly encouraged in school.
Here's the product page at bn.com - there are 209 ratings and 193 reviews. ![]()
ponie wrote:
Anyone read The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Speare?
I read it with my girls when they were in middle school and remember liking it very much.
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03-24-2009 07:53 AM
Yes, I read The Witch of Blackbird Pond and loved it. I read it while working on reading skills with students from 9 - 15. It provided some interesting discussions, and I would recommend it. hmmmm, maybe it is time to pull it out again <grin>
ponie wrote:Anyone read The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Speare?
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03-24-2009 08:21 AM
*I am responding to a comment on participation (quoted below) on the Welcome and Introductions thread here*
Everyman (and anyone else out there),
I don't think I have a better answer (although I particularly like your suggestion about starting to read with a positive attitude). My take on the First Looks is that all I owe the folks at the B&N program and the authors is 1) an attentive read, 2) some thoughtful participation in the discussion, and 3) courtesy to the authors and the other readers on the boards.
So, if I don't like the book, I have no qualms saying as much. I am careful, however, to tie both my praise and my censure to particular passages, characters, plot points, or themes. I don't find it particularly helpful to hear "I didn't like this book, it was stupid," but if someone doesn't like it, and they give as their reason "John Doe was unbelievable as a character--during the entire book he was incredibly selfish and narcissistic, and then at the end he chose to sacrifice his life for a stranger he didn't even know," then that opinion can help me refocus how I see the book, even if I personally love it. I might also express my opinions not as "the book was bad," but rather "the book frustrated me because I felt like I never escaped from the point of view of an unreliable first person narrator."
I have found that I am (generally) less active in the discussions the less I care for the book, just because, as things get busy, if the book isn't something in which I'm deeply invested, I find myself making time for other parts of my life.
At any rate, I'm thinking that these thoughts on playing nice when I don't like the book won't be terribly necessary for me this time; I'm fascinated by the Salem witch trials, and the book looks really intriguing!
Everyman wrote:
That is indeed one of the challenges -- how to participate fairly and actively with a book that one really doesn't find of significant value for oneself. That is, of course, a personal judgment; others love books that I find a waste of time, and others think some of the books I love are stupid and unreadable. Which is fine. But while one wants to be fair to B&N and be active in the FL discussions, it doesn't seem very nice to rain on the parade of those who are enjoying reading and discussing the book.
Several of the books I've really appreciated reading and have enjoyed actively participating i the discussions. In one or two others I did express some concerns in what I hoped was a gentle way, but I was never sure it was particularly welcome.
It's a dilemma, and if anybody else has a better answer than I do, I would love to hear it. Meanwhile, I go into every FL book discussion with the expectation that this is going to be a great book for a fascinating discussion, and this time I'm sure that'll be the case!
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03-24-2009 09:10 AM
Lynda:
I have read and enjoyed The Dante Club. I was looking forward to Matthew Pearl's
next book, The Poe Shadow; however, the reviews were not too good. I don't usually
let reviews influence my decisions but, in this case it did.
As a result, I did not purchase
nor read the Poe Shadow. I just purchased the Last Dickens and have added it to my
TBR pile. It may be some time until I am able to read it - the TBR pile is quite large.![]()
I would give the Dante Club a read and if you enjoy it, try the others.
CathyB
Carmenere_lady wrote:I'm so glad you brought up Matthew Pearl, Debs. I've never read him but he's got the new book out regarding Dickens and some other books that look interesting. The reviews however are mixed. Can you tell me which book of his you liked the best or which one would be a good starting point for someone new to his writing? Thanx
DebsScott wrote:Thanks for the link ponie! Great site (and wonderful review by Matthew Pearl...I love his books). It makes me more excited to get the book! Hurry, hurry!!!
ponie wrote:Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
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03-24-2009 09:23 AM
ponie wrote:Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
Thanks for forwarding the link.
MG
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03-24-2009 09:37 AM
krb2g wrote:*I am responding to a comment on participation (quoted below) on the Welcome and Introductions thread here*Everyman (and anyone else out there),I don't think I have a better answer (although I particularly like your suggestion about starting to read with a positive attitude). My take on the First Looks is that all I owe the folks at the B&N program and the authors is 1) an attentive read, 2) some thoughtful participation in the discussion, and 3) courtesy to the authors and the other readers on the boards.So, if I don't like the book, I have no qualms saying as much. I am careful, however, to tie both my praise and my censure to particular passages, characters, plot points, or themes. I don't find it particularly helpful to hear "I didn't like this book, it was stupid," but if someone doesn't like it, and they give as their reason "John Doe was unbelievable as a character--during the entire book he was incredibly selfish and narcissistic, and then at the end he chose to sacrifice his life for a stranger he didn't even know," then that opinion can help me refocus how I see the book, even if I personally love it. I might also express my opinions not as "the book was bad," but rather "the book frustrated me because I felt like I never escaped from the point of view of an unreliable first person narrator."
Very well said and my sentiments exactly!!
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03-24-2009 10:05 AM
Carmenere_lady wrote:Good link, ponie. Looks like the publisher is pouring a lot of money into this selection.
aprilh wrote:Thanks for the link, ponie! It's a great way to give everyone a feel for the book. I can't wait to get my copy and start reading!
ponie wrote:
Since this is not a welcome or introduction, perhaps it is best posted here in community...
while waiting for TPBODD check this out...I came upon it while looking up the meaning of "physick"...
It doesn't spoil anything so I think it is OK but if it is not OK to put this here, someone let me know. (and sorry)
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03-24-2009 10:25 AM
ponie wrote:Anyone read The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Speare?
Here's the review from Amazon.com...
Forced to leave her sunny Caribbean home for the bleak Connecticut Colony, Kit Tyler is filled with trepidation. As they sail up the river to Kit's new home, the teasing and moodiness of a young sailor named Nat doesn't help. Still, her unsinkable spirit soon bobs back up. What this spirited teenager doesn't count on, however, is how her aunt and uncle's stern Puritan community will view her. In the colonies of 1687, a girl who swims, wears silk and satin gowns, and talks back to her elders is not only headstrong, she is in grave danger of being regarded as a witch. When Kit befriends an old Quaker woman known as the Witch of Blackbird Pond, it is more than the ascetics can take: soon Kit is defending her life. Who can she count on as she confronts these angry and suspicious townspeople?A thoroughly exciting and rewarding Newbery Medal winner and ALA Notable Children's Book, Elizabeth George Speare's The Witch of Blackbird Pond brings this frightening period of witch hysteria to life. Readers will wonder at the power of the mob mentality, and the need for communities in desperate times--even current times--to find a scapegoat. (Ages 9 and older) --Emilie Coulter --
I read it with my girls when they were in middle school and remember liking it very much.
ALSO, I requested The Crucible from my library and will pick it up tomorrow.
I am chompin' at the bit...book not here yet!!!
We were just talking about this book in my real life book club when we did the Heretic's Daughter and I forgot how much I LOVED this book as a kid....Need to re-read it for fun.
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03-24-2009 11:08 AM
Hi all!
Right now I am reading Other Voices, Other Rooms by Truman Capote and Almost Moon by Alice Sebold. I'm also working my way through AACN Essentials of Progressive Care Nursing in preparation of a certification exam - not fun but anoter book I'm reading just the same!
I love this forum. It's so nice to discuss books with other people that are so excited about reading that they have to read more than one book at a time - most people I know think that I'm crazy when I say that I'm juggling a couple of books (and magazines) at once!
Christina
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03-24-2009 12:08 PM
Oh, definitely! I loved that book when I was growing up, and definitely plan to have my grandchildren read it when they are old enough -- eighteen months is a bit young!
ponie wrote:Anyone read The Witch of Blackbird Pond by Elizabeth George Speare?
Here's the review from Amazon.com...
Forced to leave her sunny Caribbean home for the bleak Connecticut Colony, Kit Tyler is filled with trepidation. As they sail up the river to Kit's new home, the teasing and moodiness of a young sailor named Nat doesn't help. Still, her unsinkable spirit soon bobs back up. What this spirited teenager doesn't count on, however, is how her aunt and uncle's stern Puritan community will view her. In the colonies of 1687, a girl who swims, wears silk and satin gowns, and talks back to her elders is not only headstrong, she is in grave danger of being regarded as a witch. When Kit befriends an old Quaker woman known as the Witch of Blackbird Pond, it is more than the ascetics can take: soon Kit is defending her life. Who can she count on as she confronts these angry and suspicious townspeople?A thoroughly exciting and rewarding Newbery Medal winner and ALA Notable Children's Book, Elizabeth George Speare's The Witch of Blackbird Pond brings this frightening period of witch hysteria to life. Readers will wonder at the power of the mob mentality, and the need for communities in desperate times--even current times--to find a scapegoat. (Ages 9 and older) --Emilie Coulter --
I read it with my girls when they were in middle school and remember liking it very much.
ALSO, I requested The Crucible from my library and will pick it up tomorrow.
I am chompin' at the bit...book not here yet!!!
I think, therefore I drive people nuts.
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03-24-2009 01:02 PM
Personal note: This post is based on my experiences as a family law attorney in Washington State at the time of the Wenatchee, Wn. Satanic ritual abuse cases. There was much discussion among family law attorneys here about the case and its broader implications for the work we did with families and children. I have ever since had to walk a fine line between believing the reports of children involved in the cases I dealt with, and understanding that such reports can be manipulated and even created by those with an incentive to do so. I know that this subject is disturbing to some people, but it will have to be an element of our discussion of the Salem Witch Trials in this book discussion.
As we read about the Salem Witch Trials, we should keep in mind that accusations of demonic possession by child witnesses are not exclusive to 17th century New England. Lest we get complacent about how much more sophisticated and intelligent we are than those backward folks, let's remember the McMartin preschool case in Manhattan Beach, California only twenty years or so ago, with accusations of Satanism, ritual murder of infants, drinking blood, and secret tunnels where Satanic rites took place. As it turned out eventually, none of this was true, but the lives of those who were falsely accused were ruined.
Then there were the Wenatchee Satanic cases, detailed in this book,
Remembering Satan
Again, lives were ruined by accusations of Satanic abuse by children which turned out to be dubious at best.
Some information about contemporary claims of Satanic rituals and, as Geraldo Riveria claimed on television, grisly Satanic murders, can be found here. (If you find this site's red on black text hard to read, as I did, try turning off the page style in your browser for this site. In Firefox, go to View/Page Style/No Style. Don't forget to turn it back on after you leave the site! I don't know how to do it in IE, but I'm sure there's an option.)
There are, indeed, still today a number of people who belive that witchcraft and Satanic ritual abuse are prevalent in our society, and would like nothing more than a new round of witch trials to root these demonic presences out of our society. A search of the Internet will turn up many sites which contend that Satanic Ritual Abuse is still going on in the country today. Here's just one fairly typical site.
The whole issue of the reliability of child reports of abuse is well discussed in this book:
The authors discuss in detail the issues of child testimony, both the basis for believing it to be highly reliable and the concerns about the manipulation of memories and tesimony by those with both good intentions and bad. While written mostly for a professional audience, it may be worth borrowing from a library and skimming, particulary for its treatment of the Salem Witch Trials.
My point is simply this. As we discuss the Salem Witch Trial aspects of our First Look book (and I don't know how prominent they are in the book, not having received my copy yet), let's not deal with it just as a historical anomaly with no relevance to today's world, but as the first documented instance in this country of a pattern of child testimony about Satanic ritual abuse which is ongoing even today, and which has both ruined innoncent lives and helped convict the guilty ever since.
I think, therefore I drive people nuts.