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10-06-2009 12:47 PM
Why does Emma come close to tears when her suitcase splits open and all of her things are on the sidewalk ? Well who among us has not been totally frustrated and embarrassed when a backpack, briefcase, or suit case opens and spills its content for all the world to see ? We're near tears sometimes because we want to present as picture of a perfectly capable woman to the world, all put together and very competent, a spilled case, exposes us to what others may think of us, even if we don't know what they're thinking. W always assume the worst ! Emma may have been thinking that people would find her frivolous and she wanted very much to play the part of the wife of the town doctor, proper, not frilly., So I think that she is not ashamed, just really annoyed that people would see a softer side of her. Jane
Rachel-K wrote:We know that Emma was orphaned, that Will's father shamed himself during the bank failures of the 30s and had a drinking problem, that Iris' brother was killed in the WW1, that Frankie grew up in a Brownstone in Washington Square, and that her mother writes letters about daily life in excruciating detail. How do these characters' backgrounds shape our impressions of them and their actions in the story? Do you feel you have a deeper understanding of particular decisions they make?
Iris thinks Emma is ashamed of exposing her underwear when her suitcase breaks open, but Emma says she's not the least bit ashamed. Why does Emma come close to tears in this scene?
We get a close look a the love lives of each of the women characters in the novel. What part does love play in the lives of Iris, Emma, and Frankie? How does each woman regard romantic relationships, and how much importance do they each place on them? We see Emma surprised by a reference to casual sex in Tolstoy. Were you surprised at all to find casual sex treated--so casually--in a novel set in the 40s?
Why is the certificate of virginity so important to Iris? What does it tell us about her? What is Harry's response to it?
Do you have a favorite character so far? Who, and why? Have any of the characters surprised you by the end of this first section?
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10-06-2009 01:33 PM
I took a look back on the Certificate of Virginity for Iris. My question is, why was it so important? Iris saved herself all these years for that special someone or maybe until she married that special someone. It just seems strange that you would take the time to get examined by a doctor, get the certificate and then show it to a person that you may or may not spend the rest of your life with. I'm not sure what significance it had to the story or to the war. I am almost finished with the book and maybe it will explain it.
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10-06-2009 04:47 PM
A million years ago, well maybe more like 25, when I was a puppy, I was in Paris with my husband on a business trip. We had just left a wonderful restaurant and were walking back to our hotel. There was a rock ledge around a small park and casual sex was taking place right there. Talk about surprises! We, the voyeurs, were embarrassed, but the couple was blissfully unaware. I was told it was quite common in Paris. I found it hard to believe then and I find it hard to believe now.
I think Frankie was living on the edge because of the war and the bombs and was just thinking about tomorrow and the knowledge that it might not come. She was enjoying life as it came at her.
emmagrace wrote:
liisa22 wrote:
pattycakeMN wrote:I was REALLY surprised by Frankie's casual sex outside the Savoy Hotel bar, especially when the man whom she didn't even know the name of "zipped himself back into his trousers". Having been born in 1945 and growing up in the 1950's and 1960's, such casual sex wasn't usually talked about.
Patricia
I was quite surprised by this as well!!
Me too!
I was very surprised by this too. I was never expecting that to happen!
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10-06-2009 04:55 PM
I agree. We don't really learn about Will's weakness or guilt very much, until the moment the delivery of the baby goes bad. I thought of him as Prince Charming, the perfect man with looks, brains and brawn, until that happened.
Isn't it interesting that we judge him negatively because we don't like what he is doing by running away and leaving Emma yet his cause is altruistic. He isn't abandoning her; he is going to help the war effort in a foreign country.
I think Frankie will continue to surprise us and leave her mark on the world. She seems to be able to cut through the extraneous facts and get to the meat of the story so that she can give voice to what is really important and what will cry out and touch human souls.
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Will really surprised me a little. I was not expecting him to leave, even if it was to help. He left Emma so soon after she moved to town to be with him and he left the town without a doctor. Frankie surprised me a little. I was not expecting her to have sex with a stranger outside of the pub in front of people.
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10-06-2009 05:11 PM
As far as Emma almost crying when her suitcase busts open, it's totally understandable. I mean, she's in a new place, a new life, she's trying so hard to make a great impression and be the perfect wife for her new husband, the doctor of the town no less (so everyone is watching), then her underwear is thrown about for all to see. She may not be ashamed of the event itslef, but she's got great expectations and wants everything to be perfect. This was a hiccup in that.
I was rather surprised at the casual sex Frankie had. I mean, I guess I knew it happened, but I had to read that paragraph a couple times before I realized what was going on. I felt a little like Emma reading Anna Karenina.
ha ha
I sort of like Iris for the fact that she was so set on getting that certificate. And so set on giving it to him. Talk about awkward moment while he's reading it. I could be taking it totally wrong, but to me it sort of shows Iris' need to control things-have everything in order.
A favorite character??? Hmm... at the moment I like Emma. I can relate to her a good bit-the whole newlywed, out of place, wanting things to be perfect, wanting to be the perfect wife deal... Yeah, I like her because I can totally feel what she's going through. I also really like Harry-he seems like a great guy-a little awkward or shy maybe, but a good guy. The type that's got some intensity but it's held back by some shyness.
Like I said I could be totally off on my conclusions here, I wil most likely change my mind on every single opinion I have posted. Especially since I have only just now finished Chapter 6. ![]()
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10-06-2009 07:53 PM
Emma is a sweet young woman who is looking for what was denied her in her past, a stable family life. I think it was just an understandable reaction when her suitcase of underwear was spilled on the sidewalk in front of strangers. It was also an opportunity for Emma and Iris to once again interact. Maybe this one brief encounter (excuse the pun) will lead to a friendship between the 2 women.
Iris is a woman of rules and regulations. She is a paper toting bureaucrat from the word go. In Harry's words, "You've got a hell of a lot of faith in God and the government." With this in mind, I think Iris presented Harry with the certificate in the same way as a buyer of a product is presented with a certificate of authenticity or a warranty. It's paperwork. She must really feel that Harry is THE ONE to go to this much trouble.
Frankie is a very liberated woman. I think in the beginning she used events in the war as an ends to a means, which is entering into the male dominated world of broadcast journalism. However, the war took on a totally different meaning with the loss of Billy's mother and the death of Harriet .
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10-06-2009 09:07 PM
You bring up an interesting point. She gave him a "certificate of authenticity". I have gotten many when I purchased art work. It attests to the value of the purchase if it is ever in dispute.
In a way she approached the whole relationship in a business like manner. I never thought about it that way before but when it is put that way, it is as if she wants him to know how valuable she is, almost as if he will be making a good business decision. In some ways it is calculating and cold and precludes the normal warmth and emotion one would expect when courting. Iris is a study in contradiction.
Bonnie_C wrote:
...Iris is a woman of rules and regulations. She is a paper toting bureaucrat from the word go. In Harry's words, "You've got a hell of a lot of faith in God and the government." With this in mind, I think Iris presented Harry with the certificate in the same way as a buyer of a product is presented with a certificate of authenticity or a warranty. It's paperwork. She must really feel that Harry is THE ONE to go to this much trouble.
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10-06-2009 09:46 PM
Funny that you would compare Iris and Olive Kitteridge; I just started reading Olive and for a moment I confused the two while I was thinking about the story line. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they both live in a small town.
CJINCA wrote:Well, this was definitely a unique introduction to the book and to the character of Iris...I thought Harry's response to the Presentation of the Certificate was very sweet, and on the way home he keeps the paper "inside his coat pocket where the certificate rested against his heart, and walked the rest of the way into town with his hand loose upon the paper." (p96) Harry has a very good understanding of Iris, and he seems kind here, and a bit of an old romantic.
I think Iris is my favorite character so far, with Harry a close second. Iris reminds me of Olive Kitteredge. Iris was certainly surprising at the BEGINNING of this section, she continues to be pretty forthright and extremely, even fearlessly, practical. Harry seems to be likewise practical, he's very down-to-earth. He treats Otto with a kindness and patience that few (besides Iris) seem to want to afford to a foreigner.
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10-06-2009 10:34 PM
I don't know why anybody is surprised by the sex scene. Male soldiers in the field had one night stands. Is a female reporter during nightly air attacks less deserving of human contact? When there is stress, sex is an outlet. When there is hunger, sex is a bargaining tool. A moment of bonding. A chocolate bar.
I remember my mother flirting with the French "liberators" in 1945 when she worked at the field hospital; she was divorced at the time; she spoke fluent French; she smuggled food out of the hospital for me and my grandmother, breaking curfew at times. She could have been shot for curfew violation. On her free days she rode the train in search of food in smaller villages, trading our table linen and silverware for butter and eggs. Women did what they had to do to survive and feed their families. I don't think my mother had "casual sex," but if she did I would not hold it against her. And who can call it casual if any day could be your last one?
JaneM wrote:I agree with you that it was life affirming sex, and I did not find it surprising at all.
dhaupt wrote:You know I'm having a small problem with the label "casual sex". I really don't think it could be called that here, these people aren't at a concert in the fields of Woodstock, they are skirting bombs and shrapnel and collapsing buildings, they've sent their children to the country and don't know if they'll ever see them again. I would call it more life affirming sex than casual sex, just proof that they're still alive to face another day.
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10-06-2009 10:49 PM
It certainly does Paul
. What amazes me more is that even though there was so little birth control women risked pregnancy in a time of war. But that has always been the case - I am currently reading a book about the women around Shelley, Byron et al who, despite numerous stillbirths and the early deaths of their babies, still had casual, promiscuous sex. Sex has always been a tremendous driving force for both sexes and whatever restrictions society tries to place on it, it always will be, everywhere.
PaulH wrote:I don't think "casual sex" is a new phenomenon. It certainly predates London in the 1940's. In fact, I'm fairly certain it predates London...
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10-06-2009 11:18 PM
I haven't read anyone else's comments yet so some of this might have already been said. I just want to get my initial thoughts out before I read everyone else's
I was very surprised at the casual sex Frankie had on the side of the building. I would have thought during that time that it would have been unheard of. It's interesting how there are scenes or conversations about sex for each of the characters. Emma with the book on the bus and Iris's certificate. It was interesting how Iris went out of her way to prove to Harry she was intact at her age, but Harry himself wasn't. Perhaps the certificate was really more for her than it was for him to be reassured.
Iris is an interesting person. She makes it clear that she is interested in Harry by her thoughts, but when Harry is around she seems to act so strangely. Did anyone else get this feeling? It's almost like she is so inexperienced with men and courting or dating that she didn't know how to act or react to him.
Emma just seems like she wants to fit in and please the people of Franklin. She seems sweeter than Frankie and Iris who seem to have harsher personalities to me.
It will be interesting to see how these three ladies develop throughout the book. Emma and Iris have already crossed paths, and Emma and Frankie has crossed paths via radio. I wonder if all three will end up in the same place at some point and having more of a connection or if Frankie's connection will always be through the radio.
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10-07-2009 04:54 AM
Right. Claire Clairemont and company. My point exactly.
Choisya wrote:
It certainly does Paul
. What amazes me more is that even though there was so little birth control women risked pregnancy in a time of war. But that has always been the case - I am currently reading a book about the women around Shelley, Byron et al who, despite numerous stillbirths and the early deaths of their babies, still had casual, promiscuous sex. Sex has always been a tremendous driving force for both sexes and whatever restrictions society tries to place on it, it always will be, everywhere.
PaulH wrote:
I don't think "casual sex" is a new phenomenon. It certainly predates London in the 1940's. In fact, I'm fairly certain it predates London...
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10-07-2009 08:28 AM
Perhaps Iris knows, after living in town for awhile that Harry is the ONLY ONE! Her chances of finding anyone else are slim to nothing at this point and she believes her "Certificate" makes her special in Harry's eyes, how could he refuse. It makes me curious as to Harry's past. Why is he single? Did his wife die? Did she leave him? Does he have issues? Not that there's anything wrong with a man who doesn't marry, George Clooney for example, ahhhhhh, but it does make one wonder.
Bonnie_C wrote:
...Iris is a woman of rules and regulations. She is a paper toting bureaucrat from the word go. In Harry's words, "You've got a hell of a lot of faith in God and the government." With this in mind, I think Iris presented Harry with the certificate in the same way as a buyer of a product is presented with a certificate of authenticity or a warranty. It's paperwork. She must really feel that Harry is THE ONE to go to this much trouble.
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10-07-2009 09:05 AM
People used to say that although men played around, when they married they wanted someone pure. Iris thought "any man would want to know the truth" after obtaining her certificate of virginity. Maybe it was more for what she thought Harry would want?
Emma said she wasn't ashamed, but I think she was embarrassed that her private, intimate things were exposed for all to see. Which may suggest to us that she is private and afraid of exposing her true self to others.
I was not surprised with Frankies behavior outside the bar. Oftentimes, with death all around, people found intimacy in strange ways, ways to make them feel more human.
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10-07-2009 12:46 PM
One of my initial reactions to Frankie was to ask whether or not the author had used a stereotype in creating this working woman. I am encouraged to see that reaction hasn't seemed to have been shared by other readers, but rather that this was one particular female that acted in her own particular way, neither unique nor universal nor stereotypical.
thewanderingjew wrote:A million years ago, well maybe more like 25, when I was a puppy, I was in Paris with my husband on a business trip. We had just left a wonderful restaurant and were walking back to our hotel. There was a rock ledge around a small park and casual sex was taking place right there. Talk about surprises! We, the voyeurs, were embarrassed, but the couple was blissfully unaware. I was told it was quite common in Paris. I found it hard to believe then and I find it hard to believe now.
I think Frankie was living on the edge because of the war and the bombs and was just thinking about tomorrow and the knowledge that it might not come. She was enjoying life as it came at her.emmagrace wrote:liisa22 wrote:
pattycakeMN wrote:I was REALLY surprised by Frankie's casual sex outside the Savoy Hotel bar, especially when the man whom she didn't even know the name of "zipped himself back into his trousers". Having been born in 1945 and growing up in the 1950's and 1960's, such casual sex wasn't usually talked about.
Patricia
I was quite surprised by this as well!!
Me too!
I was very surprised by this too. I was never expecting that to happen!
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10-07-2009 01:24 PM
I find thinking about Will and how we react to a character like him particularly interesting.
Carmenere Lady, it seems to me, says a couple of fascinating things in this post:
When Will decided to leave for France after Maggie's death I felt that he really was his father's son. The elder Fitch locked himself behind his banks doors in order to fend off a crowd desperate for their money after the crash. The war in London acts as Will's door. Hiding from the reality of his situation. Neither event was really any of their fault.
Will is a disappointment. His thoughts were more on Emma than they were on Maggie and her situation. Rather than come to terms with that and learn from his mistakes he finds a way out - while Emma has to face the towns people everyday.
Others have expressed they're dismay with Will. One of my reactions to both him and his father is that they are unable to distinguish what is within their own control and what lies outside it. Also, they each seem willing to assume guilt, yet run away from it at the same time. Does anyone know, in the 1940's time frame of this novel, would a more experienced doctor been likely to have saved Maggie, so that Will's situation was really quite different from his fathers? The author certainly makes it sound as if Will observed a symptom (smell, primarily) that flagged the situation at hand and that Maggie's labor went on long enough that some intervention might have been possible, even in that day and with home delivery. But, she doesn't let us as readers know for certain or objectively within the scope of the book, unless I have missed something, i.e., I felt the desire to know more about the state of medical practice for this condition within that time frame. (I had just the previous week watched a sequence about a gynecologist who had saved a woman's life in a similar situation, only to end up being sued and ultimately cleared, with the process taking years of legal and professional time.
Carmenere_lady wrote:Great questions Rachel.
Rachel-K wrote:How do these characters' backgrounds shape our impressions of them and their actions in the story? Do you feel you have a deeper understanding of particular decisions they make?
When Will decided to leave for France after Maggie's death I felt that he really was his father's son. The elder Fitch locked himself behind his banks doors in order to fend off a crowd desperate for their money after the crash. The war in London acts as Will's door. Hiding from the reality of his situation. Neither event was really any of their fault.
Frankie is an educated young woman who wants to become what her mother could not, in that, woman were just beginning to enter the work force in the forties and had much to prove.
Iris, seems a bit sanctimonius to me. She's better because she's "intact", she's very good at her work etc, etc.
Not sure how this plays into her background.
Emma I find to be astute and fearful that she'll lose Will like she lost her parents.
Iris thinks Emma is ashamed of exposing her underwear when her suitcase breaks open, but Emma says she's not the least bit ashamed. Why does Emma come close to tears in this scene?
Not really sure other than as the doctors new wife, she wants to make a good impression. Doesn't need people gossiping about her upon arrival.
We get a close look a the love lives of each of the women characters in the novel. What part does love play in the lives of Iris, Emma, and Frankie? How does each woman regard romantic relationships, and how much importance do they each place on them? We see Emma surprised by a reference to casual sex in Tolstoy. Were you surprised at all to find casual sex treated--so casually--in a novel set in the 40s?
Frankie's in the war zone, she doesn't know which day will be her last. She lives for the moment and the experience, she does not live for love.
Emma, a romantic. Love should be a private matter between a husband and a wife.
Iris, a spinster at the time, seems to find love to be a mechanical obligation. She erks me for some reason.
Surprised about casual sex. No, it probably happened quite often but it was not something that was discussed openly back in the day.
Why is the certificate of virginity so important to Iris? What does it tell us about her? What is Harry's response to it?
Well, she is a Victorian at heart. She apparently wants to prove that even though she's 40ish she is still pure. Waiting for that special man. Harry does not give a d---.
Do you have a favorite character so far? Who, and why? Have any of the characters surprised you by the end of this first section?
Absolutely! Frankie got me from page 1. She seems to be the type of woman I'd want to be if I had any chutzpa.
Will is a disappointment. His thoughts were more on Emma than they were on Maggie and her situation. Rather than come to terms with that and learn from his mistakes he finds a way out - while Emma has to face the towns people everyday.
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I do not remember reading that Iris’ brother was killed in WWI. However, the rest of the information about the other characters didn’t do anything to shape my impression of the women or their actions. I think Emma’s background information is the only information that helps the reader form an impression. Maybe the rest of the information will have more significance later in the book. I think the information about Frankie’s determination to get a job in journalism and how she obtained her first job has more significance than her mother’s letter writing technique.
This scene with Emma exposed underwear didn’t make any sense to me. Why would Emma have to “fight the urge to fling herself onto the smashed case and cover the strewn clothing with her body” if she wasn’t really ashamed or embarrassed (20)? Being near tears is a bit of an exaggeration for something so trivial isn’t it? I wondered if maybe she didn’t have a guilty conscious for the seemingly negative things she thought about Iris when she first saw her on the bus: “Probably a spinster; the pathetic type who reads passion into the twist of a shut umbrella” (15). The reason I thought this was because Emma first notices how “quiet… and careful” Iris is with Emma’s garments (21). After this observation, she is on the verge of tears. Was she feeling sorry for the negative thoughts she had? Or was she feeling sorry for Iris because Emma thought she was a lonely spinster? However, Emma responded to Iris’ about not being embarrassed with a warning in her voice, and gave her some sort of look, and said she wasn’t at all ashamed. So really… I have no idea what this scene is about, or why she is on the verge of tears. Like so many other incidents in this book, this scene wasn’t given enough attention for it to make sense or to seemingly be of any importance.
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10-07-2009 03:29 PM
We know that Emma was orphaned, that Will's father shamed himself during the bank failures of the 30s and had a drinking problem, that Iris' brother was killed in the WW1, that Frankie grew up in a Brownstone in Washington Square, and that her mother writes letters about daily life in excruciating detail. How do these characters' backgrounds shape our impressions of them and their actions in the story? Do you feel you have a deeper understanding of particular decisions they make?
I think it is very easy to understand each character’s actions based on their background alone. I don’t want to say too much right now as I would have to reference events that will take place further on in the book, so I will have to come back to this later.
Iris thinks Emma is ashamed of exposing her underwear when her suitcase breaks open, but Emma says she's not the least bit ashamed. Why does Emma come close to tears in this scene?
Emma comes close to tears in this scene because she sees Iris being “so quiet and careful with Emma’s things.” We learn at the beginning that Emma grew up alone. We know that she struggles with her feelings of being alone in the world with no one to notice/care/ pay attention to the fact that she exists. I think she is touched by the simple act of kindness from a complete stranger who happened to take notice of her and was willing to reach out and help.
We get a close look at the love lives of each of the women characters in the novel. What part does love play in the lives of Iris, Emma, and Frankie? How does each woman regard romantic relationships, and how much importance do they each place on them? We see Emma surprised by a reference to casual sex in Tolstoy. Were you surprised at all to find casual sex treated--so casually--in a novel set in the 40s?
I think in the treatment of sex in the book, we are still seeing the author try to show the dichotomy between war torn London and placid America before its own entrance into that war. Over in London, people did not know if they were going to survive one day to the next. Sex is a basic human need that even in its most casual, still has that human connection that people will thrive on, especially in times of doubt and uncertainty. It is an affirmation of existence, feeling and almost a celebration of life. At the time in London, no one had the time to be proper and discretionary. There was no time for courtship. These people had to live in the moment, and that included sex.
I think Frankie exemplifies this in her own actions in the book. Their lives have been broken down into moments, not days, not months, but simply living one moment to the next. In terms of romantic relationships for her, I think it is something she doesn’t even consider. There are other things she needs to be focused on right now and quite frankly; I would (think I would at least) find it hard to get attached to somebody in that way at all considering the circumstances.
Iris though is interesting and I am not sure I have her completely figured out. When Iris hands Harry the certificate he asks her “you’re giving me a letter?” and she responds “of a kind.” I think this whole act is a reinforcement of her belief in the system, of what she does and who she is. I think it is another example in the book of the power a simple letter can hold and Iris understands this, being the Postmistress, and she is just translating that into her everyday life. I also like how Bonnie_C describes the piece of paper as a certificate of authenticity to who she says she is. And, it is a fairly powerful piece of paper. She is giving it to Harry saying “look, I haven’t been here before but I think that you are the one for me to lead the way. I am trusting you with this gift.” I think Harry in turn is really touched by her certificate. He sees himself as an ordinary guy, nothing special, and maybe not deserving of anything special, but here is a woman who has chosen him. Who wouldn’t feel tickled by that? We all want reinforcement that we belong and are, in the end, loved. And one more thing on this - I think that Iris is saying, this may not be how society does, I am 40 now, I am not married, but I am choosing to live my life as I see fit and they way I do it doesn’t make it any less real (or wrong).
Emma is, obviously, the most conventional of the three in regards to sex and love She is the only one out of the three where sex is just alluded to between her and Will. We “read” the physical acts of the other two. But I also think that this plays off the whole idea that during the time sex should only be happening behind closed doors, where no one talked about it, hence why we never see “it” between these two. Emma also would place a huge importance on her romantic relationship with Will. She has finally found someone who she belongs with. He is hers, and she his. Growing up as an orphan, I would think this is her ultimate goal and accomplishment (although I will say there is something else that goes here I don’t want to discuss yet because of spoilers).
Do you have a favorite character so far? Who, and why? Have any of the characters surprised you by the end of this first section?
I like Frankie.
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10-07-2009 05:22 PM
T-Mo said:
This scene with Emma exposed underwear didn’t make any sense to me. Why would Emma have to “fight the urge to fling herself onto the smashed case and cover the strewn clothing with her body” if she wasn’t really ashamed or embarrassed (20)? Being near tears is a bit of an exaggeration for something so trivial isn’t it? I wondered if maybe she didn’t have a guilty conscious for the seemingly negative things she thought about Iris when she first saw her on the bus: “Probably a spinster; the pathetic type who reads passion into the twist of a shut umbrella” (15). The reason I thought this was because Emma first notices how “quiet… and careful” Iris is with Emma’s garments (21). After this observation, she is on the verge of tears. Was she feeling sorry for the negative thoughts she had? Or was she feeling sorry for Iris because Emma thought she was a lonely spinster? However, Emma responded to Iris’ about not being embarrassed with a warning in her voice, and gave her some sort of look, and said she wasn’t at all ashamed. So really… I have no idea what this scene is about, or why she is on the verge of tears. Like so many other incidents in this book, this scene wasn’t given enough attention for it to make sense or to seemingly be of any importance.
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I still sort of feel as if this was bravado on Emma's part. I think she was simply denying feeling ashamed or embarrassed.
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10-07-2009 05:35 PM
Iris thinks Emma is ashamed of exposing her underwear when her suitcase breaks open, but Emma says she's not the least bit ashamed. Why does Emma come close to tears in this scene? I think that Emma has an idea baout how things will go, and this is not part of what she expected. Also, her feelings are hurt.
How does each woman regard romantic relationships, and how much importance do they each place on them? I see Iris as the true romantic in this book, since she waited so long to find the "right person". Emma again seems to have ideas about how things are supposed to happen, and when Will, a young doctor, offers to tak e care of her, she can't help but accept. Not that she doesn't love him, but I think that love grew out of her needing someone to help her.
We see Emma surprised by a reference to casual sex in Tolstoy. Were you surprised at all to find casual sex treated--so casually--in a novel set in the 40s? No, b/c there has always been casual sex, and war, death, and uncertain times make people more daring.
Why is the certificate of virginity so important to Iris? What does it tell us about her? It shows that she has restraint and respect and that she is "whole". It gives more of a ceremony to the whole affair. What is Harry's response to it? I thought that Harry was a little intimidated by the certificate, b/c he doens't view himself as "whole".