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"But tell me, if horses are only ever used to pull a carriage, how are they anything but harness horses?"..."Because you can look at them and tell," he says. "It's that damned simple. You can tell within an hour after they're foaled."

 

This exchange seemed reflective of Karel- the life of a farmer that he has always led, versus the life of a horseman he has always imagined himself born into from the imaginings of his mother. It's as if he's arguing that he was born a horseman and at heart always will be, even if he has always pulled a plow as a farmer.

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P.116 -I like the passage after Karel has lost the race, following the fight with his brothers and their father that Karel reflects "... and it occurs to Karel that, in all these years, he's never thought to imagine that this wiry and unforgiving man was once the very one his mother had loved. ... Only now, with the wind's murmuring in the pines akin to the hushed sounds of graveside consolation, does he shiver with the notion of all she's lost, all she'll never know of the family she's left alive and discontented in the world from which she must always have meant to protect them."

 

I thought it  was such a vivid description in just a few sentences about how Karel viewed his father and recognized that his mother, who he never knew, as the one his family needed the most. This passage described perfectly the family as "alive and discontented in the world". Beautiful language and wonderful descriptions which are seen throughout this book. I am in awe of Bruce's writing.

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The language in this novel is unbelievable. It dances at times, tiptoeing circles and squares and hauntingly precise, sad comparisons, then it spars, using individual words as boxing gloves, paragraphs as raw fists.

 

I’ve decided to read slowly, though I am behind, due to some prior obligations. I’ve decided to reread every word that offers a candid look at such terrible reality. Usually I tap tiny dots at the edge of a line to indicate something to read again, to write down, or to further look into. Impossible if line after line offers so much to reflect upon.

 

On page 15, for instance, the two first paragraphs give comparisons between women and men. They also tell us what men and women do during the day. They show us what men think of their women, which is not too kind, “…their lips moved faster than their hands. Faster, their husbands said, than their minds.” But it also gives us insight in what binds them together and how curiosity makes the men more patient toward the women.

 

At the bottom of page 17 we see the dance of covert ethnic separation and the contest in open turf war. Patrick Dalton vs. Vaclav Skala. (I keep thinking of the poet and past Czech President Vaclav Havel when I read that name) And though these two men are separate entities, pitted against each other by ethnicity (and by horses) they share worries over economy, weather, and the plague of insects.

 

What amazes me most is the way Mr. Machart’s use of language softens the blow of evil actions without taking away the actual sting. There seems to be so much harmony in describing human deconstruction. We are asked to identify the person’s identity but we are shielded from the horrible truth if we chose to do so. Like after a car accident, we are free to lift the blanket, touch the broken bones and cry over a beloved bloodied face, or we can turn our heads and look in the other direction.

 

I tend to look for beauty in anything and I especially don’t like reading about child or animal abuse, about the way nature and (non)nurture bend the lives of so many individuals into unkind pawns of adverse conditions, instead of letting them bloom into colorful specimens. But I do appreciate the beauty of words strung together into poetic images while they perform their duty as tools of communication. I do see the beauty of thistles as well as that of poppies in the field.

 

So far I have several favorite passages already and just want to copy one here. It seems to encompass the theme of the book and the content in general. And that so early on in the game, at the bottom of page 16, teasing us with easily overlooked truths. In one long sentence that dances, compares, brings together, separates, philosophizes, looks back and into the future. This is about Patrick Dalton and Vaclav Skala:

 

“They’d been there, after all, and in their memories they’d borne witness to the race the same way their wives had borne their children – with the assurance that they’d each played a vital and thankworthy role, and with the misguided confidence that, for having done so, they would remain forever attuned to both the memory of the bearing and the born alike.”

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Pg132 .".Her silhouette is cast against the pale remnant of light behind her,and when she approaches him,walking in slowly measured steps.Karel's breath catches,and then it comes all at once.her hands,he sees,are at work on the uppermost buttons of her blouse.''.I like the tenderness of the moment,which Bruce does well..My thoughts come back to one FirstLook readers post,that is this a gender friendly book.? For me it has no gender,its just a wonderful book....I do like Bruce  writing some tender moments,that we haven't seen very often,it adds to the humanity of TWOF...Susan

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"My father says that if we look for ourselves in others, we're likely to find someone we don't recognize".

 

 


That one one of my favs too!

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  As yet, I don't have any favorite passages.  I am always on the look out for something profound in a novel.  I'm sure I will find something soon, and when I find it, I will post it. 


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Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."

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Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


I lke that passage Debbie,I chose the last page,because I need to have hope that Karel will not  ever become like his father,no matter what it takes...Susan

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Vermontcozy wrote:

dhaupt wrote:

Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


I lke that passage Debbie,I chose the last page,because I need to have hope that Karel will not  ever become like his father,no matter what it takes...Susan


one of my favorites too!

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CAG wrote:

P.116 -I like the passage after Karel has lost the race, following the fight with his brothers and their father that Karel reflects "... and it occurs to Karel that, in all these years, he's never thought to imagine that this wiry and unforgiving man was once the very one his mother had loved. ... Only now, with the wind's murmuring in the pines akin to the hushed sounds of graveside consolation, does he shiver with the notion of all she's lost, all she'll never know of the family she's left alive and discontented in the world from which she must always have meant to protect them."

 

I thought it  was such a vivid description in just a few sentences about how Karel viewed his father and recognized that his mother, who he never knew, as the one his family needed the most. This passage described perfectly the family as "alive and discontented in the world". Beautiful language and wonderful descriptions which are seen throughout this book. I am in awe of Bruce's writing.


What a great choice..once I read it again it is just amazing!

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CAG wrote:

P.116 -I like the passage after Karel has lost the race, following the fight with his brothers and their father that Karel reflects "... and it occurs to Karel that, in all these years, he's never thought to imagine that this wiry and unforgiving man was once the very one his mother had loved. ... Only now, with the wind's murmuring in the pines akin to the hushed sounds of graveside consolation, does he shiver with the notion of all she's lost, all she'll never know of the family she's left alive and discontented in the world from which she must always have meant to protect them."

 

I thought it  was such a vivid description in just a few sentences about how Karel viewed his father and recognized that his mother, who he never knew, as the one his family needed the most. This passage described perfectly the family as "alive and discontented in the world". Beautiful language and wonderful descriptions which are seen throughout this book. I am in awe of Bruce's writing.


I reread pg116.   Thank you...Beautiful....Bruce has a Vast Audience out there .I am also in awe of his detailed discriptions..throughout the book ,reading on for Monday...Susan

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Sunltcloud wrote:

The language in this novel is unbelievable. It dances at times, tiptoeing circles and squares and hauntingly precise, sad comparisons, then it spars, using individual words as boxing gloves, paragraphs as raw fists.

 

I’ve decided to read slowly, though I am behind, due to some prior obligations. I’ve decided to reread every word that offers a candid look at such terrible reality. Usually I tap tiny dots at the edge of a line to indicate something to read again, to write down, or to further look into. Impossible if line after line offers so much to reflect upon.

 

On page 15, for instance, the two first paragraphs give comparisons between women and men. They also tell us what men and women do during the day. They show us what men think of their women, which is not too kind, “…their lips moved faster than their hands. Faster, their husbands said, than their minds.” But it also gives us insight in what binds them together and how curiosity makes the men more patient toward the women.

 

At the bottom of page 17 we see the dance of covert ethnic separation and the contest in open turf war. Patrick Dalton vs. Vaclav Skala. (I keep thinking of the poet and past Czech President Vaclav Havel when I read that name) And though these two men are separate entities, pitted against each other by ethnicity (and by horses) they share worries over economy, weather, and the plague of insects.

 

What amazes me most is the way Mr. Machart’s use of language softens the blow of evil actions without taking away the actual sting. There seems to be so much harmony in describing human deconstruction. We are asked to identify the person’s identity but we are shielded from the horrible truth if we chose to do so. Like after a car accident, we are free to lift the blanket, touch the broken bones and cry over a beloved bloodied face, or we can turn our heads and look in the other direction.

 

I tend to look for beauty in anything and I especially don’t like reading about child or animal abuse, about the way nature and (non)nurture bend the lives of so many individuals into unkind pawns of adverse conditions, instead of letting them bloom into colorful specimens. But I do appreciate the beauty of words strung together into poetic images while they perform their duty as tools of communication. I do see the beauty of thistles as well as that of poppies in the field.

 

So far I have several favorite passages already and just want to copy one here. It seems to encompass the theme of the book and the content in general. And that so early on in the game, at the bottom of page 16, teasing us with easily overlooked truths. In one long sentence that dances, compares, brings together, separates, philosophizes, looks back and into the future. This is about Patrick Dalton and Vaclav Skala:

 

“They’d been there, after all, and in their memories they’d borne witness to the race the same way their wives had borne their children – with the assurance that they’d each played a vital and thankworthy role, and with the misguided confidence that, for having done so, they would remain forever attuned to both the memory of the bearing and the born alike.”


Another great passage. I think there are quite a few of us that are amazed by the language in this book. You summed it up very well.

 

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mommybooknerd wrote:

sorele wrote:

"My father says that if we look for ourselves in others, we're likely to find someone we don't recognize".

 

 


That one one of my favs too!


mine, too.   

 

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Early in the story when Villasenor brings his saddlebags to the banker and the banker makes a wager.  One of Villasenor's men leaves and returns with a "smallish box that looked ...like a coffin built for a rich man's tomcat".   I enjoyed this simile and find it characteristic of the writing style.

 

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dhaupt wrote:

Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


 

Deb -- as I have said elsewhere, I have come to ask if we have a trustworthy narrator here.  Or as Vaclav's view of himself self-deceptive and self-justification for the man he became?

 

Does the author ever give us any history of Vaclav by which to judge?  Not so far.

 

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Peppermill wrote:

 


dhaupt wrote:

Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


 

Deb -- as I have said elsewhere, I have come to ask if we have a trustworthy narrator here.  Or as Vaclav's view of himself self-deceptive and self-justification for the man he became?

 

Does the author ever give us any history of Vaclav by which to judge?  Not so far.

 

Pepper


Pepper,

 

Is the narrator trustworthy, maybe not, or maybe he's not supposed to be, maybe the narrator wants us to form our own opinions and then either lead us in a different direction or let us know we were right. It's certainly a unique way to tell a story, one I'm enjoying. It's like a big puzzle that we're working on and sometimes the pieces don't fit together even though they're the right size and sometimes there seems to be pieces missing.

I'm hoping it'll all fit together for us in the end.

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dhaupt wrote:

 


Peppermill wrote:

 


dhaupt wrote:

Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


 

Deb -- as I have said elsewhere, I have come to ask if we have a trustworthy narrator here.  Or as Vaclav's view of himself self-deceptive and self-justification for the man he became?

 

Does the author ever give us any history of Vaclav by which to judge?  Not so far.

 

Pepper


Pepper,

 

Is the narrator trustworthy, maybe not, or maybe he's not supposed to be, maybe the narrator wants us to form our own opinions and then either lead us in a different direction or let us know we were right. It's certainly a unique way to tell a story, one I'm enjoying. It's like a big puzzle that we're working on and sometimes the pieces don't fit together even though they're the right size and sometimes there seems to be pieces missing.

I'm hoping it'll all fit together for us in the end.


Pepper..Its so early on in TWOF..To form such an  opinion is quite unfair. Bruce has spent years researching,and writng this novel,and to be in the frame of mind that he is "Untrustworthy"... is quite harsh This is not a biography.Its a novel of a  time frame in Americas History,and I mirror Debbies thoughts,its a puzzle,each page,sentence, a piece to fit or not to fit. I have a very vivid imagination...and not judgmental,People did what they had to do to survive,even if lust,greed was part of that survival.......Not every book is wrapped up in a Pretty Package..Now that would be quite boring.Susan

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Susan -- "Untrustworthy narrator" is not a comment on an author's trustworthiness or lack thereof!


It is a writing technique, more often called "unreliable narrator," capable of being used skillfully and powerfully by the most trustworthy of authors!

 

Machart has demonstrated considerable writing skills so far.  I am just speculating on what exactly are those skills, as I do in several of my other posts here. 

 

In this case, I believe the "narrator" whose reliability I am questioning is Vaclav himself.  Can I, as a reader, trust his self-knowledge, his self-assessment?  (True, that assessment is passed along to the reader by an omniscient narrator at that point, who seems to be accepting Vaclav's evaluation.)

 

And, perhaps I have just read too much postmodern stuff recently and am speculating too much on what is being taught in writing schools today.  But, speculating is part of the fun of reading with the schedule (as I am managing to do so far) and we were asked for evidences for sympathy for Vaclav. The views of the townspeople do contrast.

 

Pepper

 


Vermontcozy wrote:

dhaupt wrote:

 


Peppermill wrote:

 


dhaupt wrote:

Okay It took me a while but I finally chased down my favorite passage from this section it's from page 5 and I think sets the stage for the whole story.

 

"The townsfolk would assume, from this day forward, that Klara's death had turned a gentle man bitter and hard, but the truth, Vaclav knew, was that her absence only rendered him, again, the man he'd been before he'd met her, one only her proximity had ever softened."


 

Deb -- as I have said elsewhere, I have come to ask if we have a trustworthy narrator here.  Or as Vaclav's view of himself self-deceptive and self-justification for the man he became?

 

Does the author ever give us any history of Vaclav by which to judge?  Not so far.

 

Pepper


Pepper,

 

Is the narrator trustworthy, maybe not, or maybe he's not supposed to be, maybe the narrator wants us to form our own opinions and then either lead us in a different direction or let us know we were right. It's certainly a unique way to tell a story, one I'm enjoying. It's like a big puzzle that we're working on and sometimes the pieces don't fit together even though they're the right size and sometimes there seems to be pieces missing.

I'm hoping it'll all fit together for us in the end.


Pepper..Its so early on in TWOF..To form such an  opinion is quite unfair. Bruce has spent years researching,and writing this novel,and to be in the frame of mind that he is "Untrustworthy"... is quite harsh This is not a biography.Its a novel of a  time frame in Americas History,and I mirror Debbies thoughts,its a puzzle,each page,sentence, a piece to fit or not to fit. I have a very vivid imagination...and not judgmental,People did what they had to do to survive,even if lust,greed was part of that survival.......Not every book is wrapped up in a Pretty Package..Now that would be quite boring.Susan


 

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very true and yes very sad.

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I like those lines a lot, too!

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Page 127, I like the humor in this.  Graciela to Karel...

"My name.  It's Graciela...Now follow me," she says, pulling her hand away and nudging the horse out into the creekwater.  "Follow you?  Hell, I have been."  Without turning in the saddle, she clicks her tongue loudly at the horse and calls back, "You ought to be accustomed to it then.  Come."

 

Page 126, (Karel has the habit of always speaking what's on his mind.  Too bad it wasn't said in front of her father.)  Karel to Graciela after the horse race...

He recalls her fall, feigned or not, the ease of her ascension back into the saddle, and it is this memory that worms itself around in his mind with enough torsion and convolution that he's somehow firmly and unexpectedly sure of his suspicions.  "I don't doublt it, but then again I don't reckon much of anything seems dangerous to you, Miss.  You make falling off a horse look like a game at a play party."