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rkubie wrote:

How is the description of this 1933 photograph an introduction to this story? What does it tell us about who this family is and what may be going to happen? Do you think the description "gives away" too much, or does it entice you to keep reading?

 

 

As you begin reading, please share your first impressions of this family and their difficult lives. Where have they come from, and how have they made it this far?
 


This is a "picture perfect" introduction to the story.  I can't tell you how anxious I was to turn the pages and get to know more about these people!  It reminded me so much of the photographs I have of ancestors and I love looking at them, wondering what adventures unfolded in their lives the moment after the camera had clicked the photo. They were real people with real lives...their clothes were probably their "Sunday Best" chosen for this special occasion and it says so much about them.  Which family members have outgrown their clothes and wear sleeves inches smaller than they should be and who are they? Which ones smiled?  Which ones didn't...and why?  These questions are the kind I ask because I know there is a story behind these old photos.  Once the people are gone, the real stories are too.  I can only guess what their answers might be.  Shandi Mitchell has given us a peak into the life behind the photograph.  I like that.  I like it a lot.  

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It took me a while to get the dates straight between the description of the 1933 photograph and "Spring 1938." Not until I had made a list of characters and had reread a couple of paragraphs did I understand the connection.

If there is anybody else as dense as I am, here is what I came up with.

 

Teodor - father

Maria - mother

Dania - oldest daughter

Myron, second oldest child, oldest son

Sofia - not yet 5 when they leave Ukraine. In 1938 she is almost 11 years old.

Katya - 5 months old when they leave Ukraine. In 1938 she is 6 years old.

Ivan, conceived in Canada, 5 years old in 1938.

 

Anna - Teodor's sister

Stefan - Anna's husband

Lesya- their daughter. She is 10 in 1938

Petro - born when Lesya was 3. That makes him 7 in 1938.

 

The 1933 Alberta photograph: Man, woman, 5 children. (Eldest boy, three girls, baby.)

 

Now to page 15.

"That was at their old home. Their first home in Canada. It's where they built their house, broke the land. Where Ivan was conveived on a still, warm April night....... that was the last place her family had called home.

 

 If Ivan is 5 years old in the spring of 1938 that made him the baby sitting on the  woman's lap in the winter of 1933. The boy at the far end is Myron, the three girls are Dania, Sofia, and Katya. By the end of 1936 the farm is foreclosed. One of the people in the photograph will die in 1938 (during the year we are reading about) and the two that will be murdered must be in the extended family (Anna, Stefan, Lesya, Petro), since they are not in the picture.

 

The back of the book says that there will be "violence and tragedy" I am glad I figured out the connection. I don't think the introduction gives away too much, but I had to work a bit on my understanding of the sequence of events.

 

On page 76, on the day of their escape from the village, Maria's mother gives her the jeweled crucifix. In the same paragraph "Maria traded the crucifix for the wagonload of grain that the police had confiscated."

We are transported from the Ukraine to Canada in this sentence; I guess I overlooked that the first time I read it. Maria now takes the children on a fifty-mile trek north to Anna's house. Teodor is in jail. The farm is gone, the house is gone. Maria saves the grain. And it will be two years before Teodor comes home.

 

Even though people tended to look stiff and official in the portraits of those days (because they had to stand still for so long) the photograph is their symbol of "togetherness." The fact that they smiled after the shutter had clicked shut is proof of this. And so begins the long road ahead.......... 

 

 

 

 

 

rkubie wrote:

How is the description of this 1933 photograph an introduction to this story? What does it tell us about who this family is and what may be going to happen? Do you think the description "gives away" too much, or does it entice you to keep reading?

 

 

As you begin reading, please share your first impressions of this family and their difficult lives. Where have they come from, and how have they made it this far?
 


 

Message Edited by Sunltcloud on 08-03-2009 08:11 PM

Wow, Sunltcloud!

 

This is a great post! I love your power of deduction! Thanks for sharing all your hard work!

Suzi

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Suzi, you're welcome. And so are all the other posters who commented on my attempt at untangling the family history. My Reading Journal is growing daily, with notes and lists and quotes from the books I read and I am happy that I was able to share my observations.  
blkeyesuzi wrote:

Sunltcloud wrote:

 

It took me a while to get the dates straight between the description of the 1933 photograph and "Spring 1938." Not until I had made a list of characters and had reread a couple of paragraphs did I understand the connection.

If there is anybody else as dense as I am, here is what I came up with.

 

Teodor - father

Maria - mother

Dania - oldest daughter

Myron, second oldest child, oldest son

Sofia - not yet 5 when they leave Ukraine. In 1938 she is almost 11 years old.

Katya - 5 months old when they leave Ukraine. In 1938 she is 6 years old.

Ivan, conceived in Canada, 5 years old in 1938.

 

Anna - Teodor's sister

Stefan - Anna's husband

Lesya- their daughter. She is 10 in 1938

Petro - born when Lesya was 3. That makes him 7 in 1938.

 

The 1933 Alberta photograph: Man, woman, 5 children. (Eldest boy, three girls, baby.)

 

Now to page 15.

"That was at their old home. Their first home in Canada. It's where they built their house, broke the land. Where Ivan was conveived on a still, warm April night....... that was the last place her family had called home.

 

 If Ivan is 5 years old in the spring of 1938 that made him the baby sitting on the  woman's lap in the winter of 1933. The boy at the far end is Myron, the three girls are Dania, Sofia, and Katya. By the end of 1936 the farm is foreclosed. One of the people in the photograph will die in 1938 (during the year we are reading about) and the two that will be murdered must be in the extended family (Anna, Stefan, Lesya, Petro), since they are not in the picture.

 

The back of the book says that there will be "violence and tragedy" I am glad I figured out the connection. I don't think the introduction gives away too much, but I had to work a bit on my understanding of the sequence of events.

 

On page 76, on the day of their escape from the village, Maria's mother gives her the jeweled crucifix. In the same paragraph "Maria traded the crucifix for the wagonload of grain that the police had confiscated."

We are transported from the Ukraine to Canada in this sentence; I guess I overlooked that the first time I read it. Maria now takes the children on a fifty-mile trek north to Anna's house. Teodor is in jail. The farm is gone, the house is gone. Maria saves the grain. And it will be two years before Teodor comes home.

 

Even though people tended to look stiff and official in the portraits of those days (because they had to stand still for so long) the photograph is their symbol of "togetherness." The fact that they smiled after the shutter had clicked shut is proof of this. And so begins the long road ahead.......... 

 

 

 

 

 

rkubie wrote:

How is the description of this 1933 photograph an introduction to this story? What does it tell us about who this family is and what may be going to happen? Do you think the description "gives away" too much, or does it entice you to keep reading?

 

 

As you begin reading, please share your first impressions of this family and their difficult lives. Where have they come from, and how have they made it this far?
 


 

Message Edited by Sunltcloud on 08-03-2009 08:11 PM

Wow, Sunltcloud!

 

This is a great post! I love your power of deduction! Thanks for sharing all your hard work!


 

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Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


I was wondering about this too, and I wondered if it was like in their mother country when they made Maria stand and wave to the trains because she looks plump and healthy, maybe this photograph is the same. The government saying to other immigrants look how prosperous this family has become since settling here. 

 

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How is the description of this 1933 photograph an introduction to this story? What does it tell us about who this family is and what may be going to happen? Do you think the description "gives away" too much, or does it entice you to keep reading?

 

The description of the photograph made me curisous more than anything.  I wanted to know more about the family, the children, and their lives.  I wondered why the horrible events detailed at the end of the description would happen to this family and who's fault was it, if anyones.  It is a great introduction to the family because it allows us to see them before we know much more about them.  I don't think the photograph gives too much away because a story is always more about the who and why that it ever is about the what happened.

 

 

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Thanks for your response. I think I was asking both in a real and rhetorical sense. My parents were born in 1928 and the stories they told about growing up and having to put cardboard in their shoes, fear of loosing a penny of change coming back from a store, playing games out of whittled sticks, no refrigeration, the ragman, patched clothes, eating onion and mustard sandwiches for lack of anything else are just a few reminders of the poverty that surrounded their young lives. I know they had no pictures of their family together during this time. Their are pictures and portraits of my great grandparents from the late 1800s and the turn of the century, but during the depression most, of the really average poor depressed common people had no money extra for such an expense. Truly, this was not a normal occurance at least in New England, land of the frugal Yankee. That was the reason for my question. It would seem an immigrant family just moving to Canada would have very little extra for such an expense, and as I said...what reason. My question was more a question for Shandi, Why would there be a picture as a beginning of the story? 

 

I truly appreciate your thoughts given in response to my question. It did make me think and draw from much schema of my past. Thanks. Wisteria


 

Hi Wisteria-L,

You asked "why this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken"?  My maternal grandmother had one family portrait taken with all her siblings and their children and this was well before the great American depression.  These people were very poor but felt that it was money well spent to have at least one family portrait.  It is interesting to note that there was not a smile on anyone's face.  The parents sat while the children were positioned around them.  This portrait has been copied and currently each family household possesses a copy.  These families did not grow up on the prairies but in the tenaments of NYC.

 


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I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 

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This is a very interesting piece of photography history!  Thank you for sharing your memories!

 


Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


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Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 


 

Wow, Sunltcloud, you've really opened up my eyes! In the past two years I've acquired photos from my grandmother and great-grandmother. Mixed in with many of the photos were pictures of family members in coffins. I had thought this very strange until I read your post. I'm wondering now if this is the only picture they have of this family member. I had never thought of it this way. Thanks for sharing this with us!
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Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 


You and your stories are fascinating. 

Suzi

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Thanks so much for sharing this story with us.

I always wondered the fascination with photographing those who had past and your memories of your father and his job put it all into perspective!


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Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 


 

Wow, Sunltcloud, you've really opened up my eyes! In the past two years I've acquired photos from my grandmother and great-grandmother. Mixed in with many of the photos were pictures of family members in coffins. I had thought this very strange until I read your post. I'm wondering now if this is the only picture they have of this family member. I had never thought of it this way. Thanks for sharing this with us!

 

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Thanks so much for sharing your past times...i've always loved hearing stories of others (especially when someone grew up in a different time than myself.  Lovely story! 
 

Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 


 

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The photo at the very beginning of the book definitely caught my attention. I could not wait to read on.  It built up for me what the family looked like. While I was reading, I would sometimes visual that the children were not thin. Then I would rememeber the photo & it would give me new meaning to what their lives were really like. The photo really touched me. I really believe it added to the story line.  
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This was such an interesting beginning.  Not many books would start with basically telling you the plot of the story.  But I really enjoyed reading this.  It gave me a guideline of what to expect during the reading.  It gave me a point to look for, a point to see clues.  I am curious to see how all that was explained in the photograph is brought to life in the story.
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Thinking about the photograph reminds me of the work of Walker Evans. Reading about him and seeing his photos was one of my first assignments for college, ways back in 1966.

I can recall them now, and this novel brings them to life! 

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Walker Evans is legendary. I just pulled out a biography by Belinda Rathbone and am looking at photos of a family in front of their shack and then photos of the interior, a kitchen table, towel hanging on a hook. You're right, the description on the first page of the novel could describe one of his photos of sharecroppers during the Depression era.

 


bud12 wrote:

 

Thinking about the photograph reminds me of the work of Walker Evans. Reading about him and seeing his photos was one of my first assignments for college, ways back in 1966.

I can recall them now, and this novel brings them to life! 


 

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rkubie wrote:

How is the description of this 1933 photograph an introduction to this story? What does it tell us about who this family is and what may be going to happen? Do you think the description "gives away" too much, or does it entice you to keep reading?

 

 

As you begin reading, please share your first impressions of this family and their difficult lives. Where have they come from, and how have they made it this far?
 


This was a very visual start to the novel -- picturing the photograph brings the people in the story to life before you even meet them.

 

It also personalizes the story in a way -- the description of the photograph evokes the old family pictures we've got tucked away somewhere.  Probably my own ancestors (Dutch farmers in Michigan) faced many of the same challenges...maybe not as much snow... 

 

For me, the description does not give away too much, but the story is so vivid and compelling that I definitely did not need an enticement to keep reading!

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The photograph didn't give me any insight into the family at all.  Especially after reading it.
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 I agree. I was waiting til I finished the book to see if I changed my mind. It was in the book at the beginning and the end. But it didn't matter to me. It didn't help or hurt the story in my opinion.

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Immortal-Spirit wrote:
The photograph didn't give me any insight into the family at all.  Especially after reading it.

 

 

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Sunltcloud wrote:

I want to add something about photographs. My father was a small-town (300 inhabitants) photographer after WWII when most people in our town had little to no money and having their pictures taken was not something they put on a priority list. However, he took me on trips to even tinier hamlets, where I had to hold a light so he could take a photograph of somebody who had died. He used his large format Linhoff, the kind that requires glass plates, and a dark piece of material over the photographer's head. Often times people had no photographs of their loved ones and a headshot of the person in a coffin, eyes closed, "in peace," was  the only picture they would ever have. It was rather spooky for me, as a ten, eleven, twelve year old.

 

Later, when times got better and people added entertainment to their list of expenses, we went to balls, dances, costume parties,and took pictures. My father used his Leica for action photos. It is a faster camera with smaller format and it used film.

 

Not only did I help in the darkroom, I was also UPS on foot, on the back of his motorcycle, on my bike, taking the finished prints to the customers. Often there was no pay, just an apple for me, and a promise to pay for the photographs on payday. Sometimes there was an exchange of goods - fresh ham, a loaf of bread eggs. 

 

Gradually people became interested in wedding photographs, in the recording of baptisms, in first day of school pictures. And they would bring their babies to the studio and watch them giggle, sprawled on a white bear rug under the bright lights of photo lamps. Eventually they would come in on a Sunday, after church, to have a family photo taken. 

 

My father would also travel the countryside, with me in the side-car, taking photographs of farm families who had very little, and who seldom repeated the luxury. One eight by ten (or similar) family photograph per family, a few five by sevens, depending on the number of children.

 

Oh, and yes, there was also the staple of small town photography - the official headshot for passports and local documents.  

 

In those days I knew nobody in town who had cameras other than my father.


Wisteria-L wrote:

Something keeps bothering me about this photograph. Did anyone mention yet the fact that they were very poor farmers, and why would they have an occasion to have their picture taken? The baby is Ivan as he was conceived in Canada. The time had to be late winter, early spring since the snow was still on the ground. The lack of coats and short sleeves makes me think it is a early spring day with a late snowfall.

 

But, why would this family, as poor as they are, have their picture taken. What was the reason for the family gathering?  Was someone getting married? Was it a special holiday? Photography was just not that prevalent or available, especially to those without money. Hmmmmmm......makes me think.

How about your thoughts?:smileyhappy:


 

Thanks for sharing!