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Two Families

The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

 

What are the marriages like?

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?

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rkubie wrote:

The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

 

I felt one of the main differences in the children's lives were their parents. Maria seemed to not only take care of her own children but also took care of Anna's children. Anna seemed to be locked in her own world and couldn't see past it to take care of her children. At times, I found myself forgetting Lesya and Petro were Anna's children because they were with Maria and Teodor so much.

 

What are the marriages like?

 

When Teodor returned home, he and Maria seemed shy with each other, but then appeared to return to what I imagined their life together to be like before he was sent to prison. They seemed to love each other very much and my impression deepened when Maria told him they were going to have another baby.

Stefan and Anna have an awful relationship. Stefan is an alcoholic and abusive towards Anna. She slept with a knife under her pillow to keep him away. Up till now, Stefan doesn't even seem to be in the picture anymore. There is no mention of him being around the family in the first reading, except when he runs into Lesya, Maria and Dania in town. Anna is pregnant with his child and I'm not sure he even knows this yet.

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?

 

To me, Maria seems more like Anna's mother than her sister-in-law. She cooks meals for both families and has Lesya bring her mother food. During the fire, Maria has to yank Anna into the lake so she didn't get burned. After the fire, it is Maria who stays with Anna to convince her to get out of her wet, dirty clothes so as not to get sick and puts her to bed.


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Talk about two very different families! While I felt for both of them, Anna grabbed my heart. And while I have only read the first scheduled piece, she and her children kept it. Anna seems to be a badly battered woman who is left with nothing as her husband goes off to get drunk and who knows what else. Her children, Lesya and Petro, are not a joy to her. Instead, they seem to be a weight and even to be ignored. It seems that Stefan has beaten her will and life right out of her and as usual, the children suffer. Thank goodness Maria was there. But then, there is the rape and consequent pregnancy. Stefan has no idea, or maybe he does, how much he has broken Anna. So much so that she doesn't want this child and seems to be doing everything she can to get rid of it.  I also found the scene with the wolf very poignant. She was making a connection. Stefan's shooting of the wolf nearly killed Anna. Now she is working to "reunite" with the wolves. I can't wait to see how this turns out.

 

Maria and Teodore love each other and their children. But, Teodore was in jail. Maria had to move the children and the things she could save into a shed next to Anna. (What she did to get back the wagon and grain was incredible.) While conditions were harsh, Maria perseveres attempting to keep her family together awaiting Teodore's return. Then, he comes home. Shandi's description here seems right on. The children cautiously move around him until Ivan takes Teodore's face in his hands, looks into his eyes, and proclaims "It's him." That scene brought tears to my eyes. From this point, the family begins the healing process. Everyone pitches in, everyone works, everyone takes pride in the accomplishments. 

 

At this point, Maria is more of Anna's caretaker/mother than her sister-in-law. Maria takes care of all of the children, and checks on Anna to be sure she is getting food, etc. I loved the scene where they all break out into song while planting the garden, Anna hears it and goes outside joining them in song. Everyone becomes quiet listening to Anna's voice. Powerful stuff! Then, Maria asks her to join them and it seems like a turning point for Anna. She starts becoming involved with the family again, although still on the outside. Maria's calm, reassuring, and constant attention have helped Anna. Lesya has also been instrumental in her mother's return.

 

While all of the characters are worth watching, I am waiting to see how Myron turns out. He has been the man of the house while Teodore is away. Now, he is second again. He wants to prove himself but he also want to make his father proud. He has become a man while his father has been away. Will Teodore get that? Will there be a show-down? More hooks to keep me reading. :smileyhappy:

 

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Wow, such a lot of contrasts and contradictions between the two families and also the characters.  I thought DStaff summed it up very well.  I am also curious about Myron.  I think being the head of the family while his father was away puts him in an awkward position now that his father has returned.  I had wondered if maybe he had looked up to Stefan, as the only man around.  But, he did maintain his father's dignity as Teodor struggled with the plow. 
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Wasn't it awesome how Myron kept looking out for his father? He not only let his father keep his dignity, but he also showed him a lot of respect. Myron seems to have grown up very quickly and knows the value of honor and dignity. He wants his father to see how much he has grown, to see the things he has done, but not at the expense of Teodore's pride.


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Wow, such a lot of contrasts and contradictions between the two families and also the characters.  I thought DStaff summed it up very well.  I am also curious about Myron.  I think being the head of the family while his father was away puts him in an awkward position now that his father has returned.  I had wondered if maybe he had looked up to Stefan, as the only man around.  But, he did maintain his father's dignity as Teodor struggled with the plow. 

 

 

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I think the difference between the two families is the parenting. Maria seems to care for Anna's kids as well as her own. Anna is in her own world trying to figure out a way to get rid her unborn child.

 

Maria's marriage is more solid than Anna's marriage. When Teodor came home it was a bit difficult in the beginning. But after a few weeks home with his family everything was back to normal.

 

Anna and her husband had a difficult marriage and it  probably would remain the same. Anna's husband left her after he had abused her.

 

Anna and Maria seemed very close. Maria looks after her and tries to protect her like a sister. 

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I agree for the most part with aprilh.  I would add that I react very negatively to Anna.  I would feel more sorry for her if she took more of an interest in her own children.  She can be kind to coyotes but is repulsed by her own daughter.  She is constantly imposing on Maria but seems so wrapped up in herself she is unaware of it.  I don't know enough about battered women to know how much Anna fits into that picture, but I don't like her very much.
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There are striking differences between the families.  Maria and Teodore have a strong marriage and love for each other.  Maria is a good parent and also looked after Anna's children.  She cooks food for both families and acts almost like Anna's mother.  Maria keeps both families going despite poverty and hardships. 

I think Stefan has broken Anna's spirit.  She is in her own world and pretty much ignores her kids.

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Teodor and Maria's family is built on love. Even though Myron realizes his dad is physically weak, he doesn't let on and allows his dad time to rest. Maria takes care of her family no matter what. She even had to resort to making "rat and mice stew" but she never allos her children to know how bad it is. Teodor and Maria's children are very diverse in temperment and personality.  Sofia is the girly girl that would seem most likely to want to leave behind the heartships of being poor.

 

Anna and Stefan's family is not a loving family. Stefan brakes Anna's spiritand even rapes. Lesya is born deformed and she cast off like some freak. She feels she has to prove herself to earn Anna's love.

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The children of Maria and Teodor are as well kept as possible have sunday clothes for Church and have loving parents, there is a continuity there even though as all siblings do they fight and bicker. Anna and Stephan's children are more like orphans that Maria and later Teodor care for while Anna is off finding her coyotes and Stephan is off who knows where.

 

The marriage between Maria and Teodor is a union, a partnership and there is love there.

There is no marriage between Anna and Stephan just on paper, there is no trust, no love only heartache and pain and betrayal.

 

The relationship between Anna and Maria are more like mother and daughter, Maria is the caretaker of Anna, the only spark I saw in Anna was during the big summer celebration dinner. 

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rkubie wrote:

The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

 

 

 

What are the marriages like?

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?


To me all the children look to Maria for support & love.   Anna is so beaten down by her life that she can't take care of herself - so her children look to Maria and her family.    It is good that Maria is there is take care of Anna's children.   No matter how tough things are for Maria - and things are really tough - she takes care of and seems to love Anna's children as her own.

 

 

The marriages are worlds apart.   Maria loves and cherishs her husband because he loves and takes care of her after he returns from prison - and before he went to prison.

Anna's husband is abusive and an alcoholic.   She fears him and doesn't want to keep the baby she is carrying.   She does everything she can to lose the baby.

 

 

Maria takes care of Anna as if she were her child.   Anna does not take care of herself or the children. 

 

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rkubie wrote:

The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

 

What are the marriages like?

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?


From the beginning, you saw the difference between the men and women- Stephan was a bully and opportunist when he me Anna; and Anna was treated like a princess and saw coming to Canada as an adventureMaria and Teodor married for love and are much more practical about what it took to stay aliveIt feels like the story of these two families tells the story of many immigrant families- why they leave their home lands and how they approach their lives in a new countryI also think that often it is the character of the women that holds families togetherAnna is a woman whose spirit has been brokenHer children as well as her own physical welfare suffer because of thisMaria, on the other hand is a survivorShe has lived through difficult times and made it.

 

I think Maria sees Anna as a sisterShe at this point believes that with hard work, good food and encouragement, Anna will get betterMaybe Maria thinks that given the right circumstances, she could be struggling just like Anna and would need the support that she now gives.

 

The children reflect their environmentsThank goodness Maria is there to take care of Anna's childrenI have only read up to Fall and am worried about Petro and Lesya as Maria and Teodor move further awayI am enjoying the relationship between Myron and Teodor- the respect that Teodor shows Myron for the things he did while Teodor was in prison

 

I love books where the characters and their relationships are so well developedBravo, Ms. Mitchell.

 

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nbmars wrote:
I agree for the most part with aprilh.  I would add that I react very negatively to Anna.  I would feel more sorry for her if she took more of an interest in her own children.  She can be kind to coyotes but is repulsed by her own daughter.  She is constantly imposing on Maria but seems so wrapped up in herself she is unaware of it.  I don't know enough about battered women to know how much Anna fits into that picture, but I don't like her very much.

I also don't have a vast knowledge about abused women, but I feel very sorry for Anna.  It almost seems to me that her spirit has been so badly damaged that she is suffering from mental health issues.  She isn't able to take care of herself, how can she be expected to take care of her children.  I see her relationship with the wolves as her fantasy escape from this reality that she finds herself in.

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The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

   First Maria and Teodor's family seems to be strong.  They went through such hardships in the Ukraine, then survived the boat ride to Canada where they built a farm and home which was stolen from them and Teodor sent to prison.  Maria had to do everything she could to hold her family together while they waited for Teodor's return.  Finally, when he does return the children know their father, love him and are willing to help to rebuild the farm that they lost.

   Anna and her family are broken.  Stefan has been abusive to Anna since their wedding night, raping and beating her.  She has two children that she doesn't seem to want and is pregnant with a third that she is trying to get rid of.  I feel so badly for her.  It seems to me that she was strong, beautiul woman who was full of life before she married Stefan.  She has lost that life and energy because of his treatment of her.  

 

 

What are the marriages like?

 

  These marriages couldn't be more different.  Teodor and Maria marriage is kind and gentle.  They truly love one another and compliemnt each others strengths and weaknesses.  Stefan and Anna's marriage is cruel and violent.  There is no love in their relationship.  Teodor and Maria work hard to provide for their family (including Anna and her children).  Anna is so lost in her depression that she does very little to contribute to the work that feeds her family.  Stefan is so busy drinking and whoring, spending the money he makes on those things instead of his family that he doesn't even know what is going on at his home.

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?

 

  I agree with some of the earlier posts that Maria is more like Anna's mother than her sister-in-law.  She cooks for her, cares for her children, and makes sure she has what she needs.  Maria obviously loves Anna and appreciates the sacrifices that she made to provide her family with a home until Teodor came home.  

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The children, of course, seem to mark the differences between the two families most. How would you describe those differences?

 

- I don't really see Lesya and Petro as very close. Not like the other family. It could be because there's only two children in Anna's family whereas in Maria's it's much larger so contact and cooperation is necessary. Maria's children act like an "actual normal" family. You don't see the same kind of warmth in Anna's children.

 

What are the marriages like?

 

- Anna looks like she has the short end of the stick. Stefan is a deadbeat husband/father and a thorn to everybody's side.  The marriage of Maria and Teodor on the other hand, although you do see the love and respect, they don't really show it. They get along well and they're together. That's just about it. But you see some sort of underlying unspoken secrets that bother them (maybe about Teodor's time in prison? or his arrest?)

 

What is the relationship between Anna and Maria?

 

- Maria does what she can to help Anna especially when Stefan isn't around. I'm not sure if Maria feels frustrated although she probably does as she has other chores to do and Anna is just alone in her own world. I think Maria helps her out of obligation because Anna is her sister in law, but at the same time, I think she genuinely cares for her.

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I feel that Anna was an insecure person well before she married Stephan.  She knew that Stephan's job was to chase traitors and punish them.  He promised her that everything would be different in Canada, that people would respect and honor them and that they would live like aristocracy.  He beat Anna and needed cigarettes and booze to exist, so she believed.  There was something that drew her to Stephan but deep down knew that Teodor would take care of them.

 

She bought the land for Teodor so the two families would be together.  She was dependent on Teodor for security in her life, for providing for her and for taking care of her children.   And she knew that Teodor, together with Maria, would do that.

 

You begin to wonder about a person when the only real thing that they connect to is coyotes.  Is it because she doesn't have the direct responsibility to take care of them but can only take care of them when she feels the need?  Anna feels she's one of them.  She even leaves her scent on the ground for them.   And then there's the scarecrow.  When Anna smiles after making the scarecrow and the younger children have nightmares for weeks after this?  What was so scary about the scarecrow?

 

Teodor and Maria had similar beliefs.  They were very much in love while they were dating and were strong, proud people.  They believed that family show respect to each other and to the earth, appreciate the things they have.  They are hard working people, proud of what they have and their accomplishments.  Maria likes to look at her children with such pride, especially when they are sleeping.    Whereas Anna  doesn't possess the ability to love nor have pride in what she does.  She has a daughter she can't look at because of her deformity.    Lesya adopts a lame hen, names her "Happiness" and finally understands what the word happiness means.  Lesya goes so far as to even visualize herself in reverse to being born, going back to being the egg.  She develops a relationship with Happiness.  Happiness only dances for her, chats with her and Happiness stands on her lame foot.  She lets her feel her eggs coming out.  It is a human relationship between them.  Lesya is a product of her mother and the chain is not broken. 

 

Anna watches her brother craft a new home and how much care he puts into every notch, every cut of love.  This is so contrary to what Anna stands for.    

 

 

 

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JoyZ wrote:
Wow, such a lot of contrasts and contradictions between the two families and also the characters.  I thought DStaff summed it up very well.  I am also curious about Myron.  I think being the head of the family while his father was away puts him in an awkward position now that his father has returned.  I had wondered if maybe he had looked up to Stefan, as the only man around.  But, he did maintain his father's dignity as Teodor struggled with the plow. 

 

Myron and Teodor's reunion touched me also. I was a little disapointed that Teodor, who seemed a more caring father with Ivan, did not show more appreciation and gratitude for how well Myron had kept things up.

Bonnie

 

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Bonnie824 wrote:

JoyZ wrote:
Wow, such a lot of contrasts and contradictions between the two families and also the characters.  I thought DStaff summed it up very well.  I am also curious about Myron.  I think being the head of the family while his father was away puts him in an awkward position now that his father has returned.  I had wondered if maybe he had looked up to Stefan, as the only man around.  But, he did maintain his father's dignity as Teodor struggled with the plow. 

 

Myron and Teodor's reunion touched me also. I was a little disapointed that Teodor, who seemed a more caring father with Ivan, did not show more appreciation and gratitude for how well Myron had kept things up.

Bonnie

 


Bonnie,

I wonder if Teodor didn't show his appreciation for Myron while he was in prison the only way he knew how-he nodded to show his being impressed when the horse backed into the shafts and treating Myron as an equal as they headed out to the field.

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One marriage appears to be based on love and mutual respect. The other marriage, seems to be based on power and control.
It seems to me that, so far, the children are more mature and wiser than their years because they are inspired to try harder each time life throws hardships at them. 
Maria seems to be the nurturer for both families and I am given to wonder how Anna and her children fared  before she arrived on the scene. Maria seems to be the caretaker of Anna and her children.
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The contrast between the two families is shown both physically and emotionally.  While physically apart, Marie and Teodor, I have no doubt, were emotionally bound even in his absence.  He returned faithfully to his family after his imprisonment, and the family immediately becomes one not only physically within their small home, but emotionally as well.  I found the scene with father and son heading toward the outhouse and Teodor's sensitivity to his son's bladder dilemma touching.  Two men together, father and son.

 

Anna, however, and her husband Stefan are another story.  Even when they were together physically, the emotional connection was never there.  Their bond was that of fear and revulsion and absolutely no respect for Anna on Stefan's part.

 

It's when you compare Anna and Teodor that I find it most compelling, though.  While Teodor knows who he is and where he belongs and, I'm sure, never doubted it for a second while he was in prison, Anna is locked within her own emotional prison.  On page 11 Teodor realizes that Anna is not staring out the window at Teodor outside in the darkness or even at the sky, but, alas, is staring into her own eyes, her own soul.  Teodor "wants to stand up and tell her that he is here."

 

The same words are actually used later on page 22 when Anna hears the coyote calling.  "I'm here," she whispers back.  "I'm here."  It's as if her family are the coyotes, the wild coyotes who are not slaves to physical bonds, slaves to an abusive husband, slaves to ever-demanding children.  Anna lives in a prison within herself.

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