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11-09-2010 09:26 PM
Lorraine's envy is eating her alive. Her provocative behavior has gained the attention Carlito Macharelli, the son of the gangster who owns the Green Mill. She's also managed to get herself into a compromising position with Gloria's fiance Bastian. Will she get even with Gloria? Or just ruin herself in the process?
I have thorougly enjoyed this book! It is very good and flows very well.
Having said that, I firmly believe that Lorraine will only ruin herself. Her envy has created a monster and she will stop at nothing until it is relieved. The jealousy began long before the Green Mill and has progressively gotten worse. I don't see it slowing down any time soon.
What did you think of the revelations that happen at the end of Part I? Are you surprised by the identity of Clara's cad? Do you think Vera's protectiveness of her brother is justified? Who do you think tipped off Bastian that his fiancee is singing at the Green Mill?
I am a bit surprised by the identity of Clara's cad because I was expecting another mobster from New York. But it does definitely make sense that it is a rich, spoiled kid. I believe that Vera's protectiveness of her brother is misplaced but after considering the time period the book is set in I can understand why she would want to protect him. It was very dangerous for that type of relationship to exist in that time of our history. I am unsure who tipped Bastian off. It could have been anyone. I am sure that people would have recognized Gloria from newspaper articles and pictures. Just because these people visit a speakeasy doesn't mean they live with their heads in the sand.
I am looking forward to finishing this book.
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11-09-2010 09:28 PM
Your comment hit square on the head of the nail.
In the days of prohibition, not only was alcohol forbidden but so were a lot of ethical issues of the day, women's suffrage, ethnic mixing, marriage of outside of class status, childbearing out of wedlock, etc.
Yet for some it didn' t stop the sneak around interest in the forbidden.
MissShopaholic said. . . .. .
Vera has a right to be protective... Her female intuition is kicking in and if she doesn't set Gloria straight, who knows what kind of controversy can ensue- given that time and place in history.... Furthermore, Men being Men, Jerome might be tempted to take a bite from the apple, so to speak, and with a girl as pretty as Gloria around.... who knows what might happen. I'm just saying. Vera just doesn't want the drama.
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11-09-2010 09:37 PM
Bonnie_C:
I think your on to something (for future books maybe) here. The queen of the flappers must of fizzled out and probably because of the life and what she knows is going to come out of this situation<Gloria singing, and the gangster settings>. She has been there and lived it before; so I think she knows from experience.
Bonnie stated:
In the beginning of the story Maude was living high. In this scene she was just a shell of an individual. What happened? If I were Gloria, that would really stick with me.
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11-09-2010 10:20 PM
TudorRose: I love how you speculated on who did what to rat out the whereabouts on Gloria, etc.
You may just have something in your thinking that rings true!!! hummmm Not being a spoiler here!
As I was reading the book I want ed to know and then couldn't put the book down eventually knowing all the dirt on who!!
I was also wondering if Vera is the "stool pigeon" who tipped off Bastian that Gloria was singing at the Green Mill. It wouldn't be hard for Vera to find out who "Gloria Carson" really is and tip of her seemingly rich finace.
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11-09-2010 10:50 PM
I thought this part of the book was interesting. We are finally learning more about the characters and each is showing their true colors. There is a lot of drama still going on with the girls and them finding just who they are. I think it is nice to see Gloria come out of her shell by joining the Green Mill's Jerome band to be the lead singer. I am wondering though if Raine told Bastian when she was over at his house because she told us she doesn't remember much of that night.
At first I have to admit I thought Marcus was going to be gay because although he seems to come off as this ladies man he also wants to distance himself from that. I thought it was because he was going to tell everyone he is gay but I guess he really does like women. I'm unsure about his "feelings" for Clara but I guess he does care since he didn't like Clara kissing her NY boyfriend.
I thought that Clara's NY boyfriend was interesting but it seems like the mystery about the notes is now over. I was thinking there was going to be more to that so I hope there is an added twist.
I think it is interesting how Gloria reacted with Raine's dad's gun in her hand and I'm wondering if she is the girl at the beginning of the book who has the gun. Then again Raine is upset about her friends turning their backs on her at the end of the Club scene so she could be going crazy since they wont give her the attention she so badly wants.
As for Bastian I think that man needs to have a good wake up call. He is using Gloria as purely business which I think is wrong but I guess that is how some women got treated during that time period.
I think Jerome's sister is just looking out for him and I can't wait to see if Jerome turns into out knight in this story by helping Gloria to get away from her uptight family.
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11-09-2010 10:58 PM
I thought that Clara might be pregnant at the beginning of the novel. When she first arrives at the Carmody house she feels nauseated, but then I decided I was reading too much into that. Maybe there was a pregnancy that she lost before arriving in Chicago. Something else to ponder!
Lavasoap wrote:
shmy wrote:Who do you think tipped off Bastian that his fiancee is singing at the Green Mill?
My guess is nobody tipped him off, he was there for his own fun and then received a big, big surprise.
I think this is a good thought except I think Bastian's comment to Lorraine about what a man does in public vs. the privacy of his own home tells us that he wouldn't risk running into someone he knew and blowing his public persona.
One thing I've been wondering concerning Clara: Does anyone else ponder if there was an unwanted pregnancy with the cad?? There have been a few little comments that make me wonder if she lost a baby (intentionally or not).
"A room without a book is like a body without a soul"
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11-09-2010 11:01 PM
Interesting theory about Vera and Bastian.
I'm sure that Jillian is giggling about some of our theories!
Vermontcozy wrote:
wheeze wrote:Wow, talk about drama and suspense! Loving it!
I am starting to like Gloria more. At first I thought she was snotty, and unorginal. Now, she is growing on me. She is just a girl who wants to be loved. I like the romantic tension with Jerome. He is such a better person then Bastian. Bastian is just a man involved with money. It's going to be interesting to see which ones she sticks with.
As for Lorraine, she could disappear. I don't like her attitude and needs to get over herself. She is trying to be a flapper, but her actions lead to 'whiny brat' instead. Still though, I don't think she tattled on Gloria, she isn't smart enough for that. I am still trying to figure out which person did.
Clara, aah poor sweet, lying Clara. I think she needs to come clean to Marcus, or it may end badly. If he is a good guy, he will accept her, but we will see!
Well I still haven't read on at all..But I am leaning towards Vera..I just think that Bastian has skeletons in his closet...and Vera could be having an Affair with"Him".But we will see..Jillian must be getting a"Kick" reading all our comments.Especially since we are all playing out all these scenarios....I also Love the Drama....I think you are right Marcus would forgive her,because he is Falling in Love And Sarah-W..Next week will be amazing....
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11-09-2010 11:04 PM - edited 11-09-2010 11:14 PM
Bonnie,
This scene also made me wonder about what kind of person Carlito really is. Or, should I say, how bad of person he really is. I really hope that Lorraine doesn't become too deeply intwined with him.... I wonder if Maude could be the one who told Bastian about Gloria singing at the Green Mill. Maybe trying to protect her from going down the same path she has gone down?
Bonnie_C wrote:
One scene that sticks in my mind was when Maude Cortineau (queen of the flappers) came backstage with Carlito to see Gloria before her debut. In the beginning of the story Maude was living high. In this scene she was just a shell of an individual. What happened? If I were Gloria, that would really stick with me.
Bonnie
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11-09-2010 11:12 PM
Atreyu59,
The more I read, the more new ideas keep percolating. Sticking to the schedule has been REALLY hard, but I am looking at this as in exercise in self control. Having a few other books to finish up has helped, but it is getting harder to just say no to Vixen!
Atreyu59 wrote:
TudorRose: I love how you speculated on who did what to rat out the whereabouts on Gloria, etc.
You may just have something in your thinking that rings true!!! hummmm Not being a spoiler here!
As I was reading the book I want ed to know and then couldn't put the book down eventually knowing all the dirt on who!!
I was also wondering if Vera is the "stool pigeon" who tipped off Bastian that Gloria was singing at the Green Mill. It wouldn't be hard for Vera to find out who "Gloria Carson" really is and tip of her seemingly rich finace.
"A room without a book is like a body without a soul"
~Marcus Tullius Cicero
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11-10-2010 08:29 AM
Sarah-W wrote:Hello All,
Thanks for the great discussion!
The second half of Part I contains a lot of action and surprises:
Marcus takes Clara for a night on the town, but Clara can't tell if he likes her or her Country Clara persona. Are his feelings genuine or part of an elaborate joke? Meanwhile, the mysterious notes continue until the sender reveals himself during Gloria's debut singing at the Green Mill.
Gloria is sneaking around to rehearse with Jerome for her debut at the Green Mill. She definitely has feelings for Jerome, but knows her family would never approve. She must also contend with Jerome's jealous sister Vera who wants Gloria as far away from her brother as possible.
Lorraine's envy is eating her alive. Her provocative behavior has gained the attention Carlito Macharelli, the son of the gangster who owns the Green Mill. She's also managed to get herself into a compromising position with Gloria's fiance Bastian. Will she get even with Gloria? Or just ruin herself in the process?
What did you think of the revelations that happen at the end of Part I? Are you surprised by the identity of Clara's cad? Do you think Vera's protectiveness of her brother is justified? Who do you think tipped off Bastian that his fiancee is singing at the Green Mill?
Author Jill Larkin joins us this week, so please welcome her to the board!
This second section of the book was really my favorite, in a lot of ways! So much was going on and just kept the pages turning.
I was not really surprised by the identity of the Cad. Maybe a little surprised by the social standing, but I kind of had a feeling it was a person of importance.
I do think Vera's protectiveness of her brother is justified. It was a hard time for blacks during that time period and given his working conditions and connections, I think she knew things could go south really fast.
Since I have finished the book I know who tipped off Bastian and I can say that I was surprised! Didn't see that coming at all.
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11-10-2010 08:54 AM
So... that got exciting! I had to force myself to put the book down and go to bed at the end of part one. I have a feeling there might be a minor time jump in our future, but I don't know how long or how much will have changed, if anything.
I found it curious that Gloria immediately jumped to the conclusion that Lorraine gave her up to Bastian. Why wouldn't she think that Clara had passed on the word regarding the phone call she received before Gloria got home from school? Why choose your best friend over someone who might have more to gain by throwing you under the bus? It seemed a bit sudden and a jump in logic for Glorida, but then again, her carefully constructed fantasy world was falling around her head, so maybe logic wasn't really a top priority.
Personally I think Bastian came in with Clara's Cad and it just so happened to be on the night of Gloria's debut. Now that we have a name for the Cad and know he's the son of a very wealthy business man in New York, it would make sense that they might be business associates. Business associate friend comes into town, wants a night of fun on the town, conveniences the not-as-dull-as-he-looks Sebastian to go to a speakeasy, and bam, fate steps in and takes care of the rest. All conjecture of course...
Clara is still my favorite, the way she's playing everyone to her advantage - getting all the high society ladies to love her and invite her over for social gatherings, doing everything to pull Marcus in by pushing him away (you always want what you can't easily get), and best of all, pushing all the right buttons on Lorraine to get dolled up for the singing debut and make it look like it's someone else's fault/idea. She's very clever and I think her year in New York not only matured her, but made her very street smart. She can read people and use that to her advantage. I'm a little disappointed that all the strength and maturity disappeared the moment the Cad appeared, though it's understandable. There's always that one guy who can make you go funny in the head.
I always though that Jerome say through Gloria's ruse of being a poor country girl, since from the very beginning he guessed that she was a spoiled rich white girl. I guess he bought in as well or was he just trying to save face with his mobster bosses?
And Lorraine, stop hanging out with the baby mobster. STOP IT! His attentions might be nice, but look what he did to poor Maude - sucked the life out of her like he's a real life incubus.
Still loving this book and can't wait to move on. It's getting very exciting!
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11-10-2010 09:07 AM
flouncyninja wrote:So... that got exciting! I had to force myself to put the book down and go to bed at the end of part one. I have a feeling there might be a minor time jump in our future, but I don't know how long or how much will have changed, if anything.
I found it curious that Gloria immediately jumped to the conclusion that Lorraine gave her up to Bastian. Why wouldn't she think that Clara had passed on the word regarding the phone call she received before Gloria got home from school? Why choose your best friend over someone who might have more to gain by throwing you under the bus? It seemed a bit sudden and a jump in logic for Glorida, but then again, her carefully constructed fantasy world was falling around her head, so maybe logic wasn't really a top priority.
Personally I think Bastian came in with Clara's Cad and it just so happened to be on the night of Gloria's debut. Now that we have a name for the Cad and know he's the son of a very wealthy business man in New York, it would make sense that they might be business associates. Business associate friend comes into town, wants a night of fun on the town, conveniences the not-as-dull-as-he-looks Sebastian to go to a speakeasy, and bam, fate steps in and takes care of the rest. All conjecture of course...
Clara is still my favorite, the way she's playing everyone to her advantage - getting all the high society ladies to love her and invite her over for social gatherings, doing everything to pull Marcus in by pushing him away (you always want what you can't easily get), and best of all, pushing all the right buttons on Lorraine to get dolled up for the singing debut and make it look like it's someone else's fault/idea. She's very clever and I think her year in New York not only matured her, but made her very street smart. She can read people and use that to her advantage. I'm a little disappointed that all the strength and maturity disappeared the moment the Cad appeared, though it's understandable. There's always that one guy who can make you go funny in the head.
I always though that Jerome say through Gloria's ruse of being a poor country girl, since from the very beginning he guessed that she was a spoiled rich white girl. I guess he bought in as well or was he just trying to save face with his mobster bosses?
And Lorraine, stop hanging out with the baby mobster. STOP IT! His attentions might be nice, but look what he did to poor Maude - sucked the life out of her like he's a real life incubus.
Still loving this book and can't wait to move on. It's getting very exciting!
OMG flouncyninja that didn't even occur to me. You are probably right about that. That would be very interesting if Bastian personally knew the cad from NY. We'll have to see who he knows.
I love your perspective on all the characters especially your post on Lorraine. lol
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11-10-2010 09:25 AM
And now to answer Sarah's actual questions:
Sarah-W wrote:
Marcus takes Clara for a night on the town, but Clara can't tell if he likes her or her Country Clara persona. Are his feelings genuine or part of an elaborate joke?I think it started out as a joke, but soon after spending time with her, it became something more real to him. Especially after that night out at the movies and the little private "bar" they visited and talked, I think Marcus is the closest of all our main characters to seeing a little bit of who the real Clara is - not her County Clara persona and not the flapper attitude she probably wore in New York, but really who she is.
Gloria is sneaking around to rehearse with Jerome for her debut at the Green Mill. She definitely has feelings for Jerome, but knows her family would never approve. She must also contend with Jerome's jealous sister Vera who wants Gloria as far away from her brother as possible. Do you think Vera's protectiveness of her brother is justified?
I was a little disconcerted by Vera's attitude towards Gloria. She did seem like a clingy, jealous girlfriend, not a little sister. Then again, perhaps Jerome has gotten involved with a young white girl before and it got him into some trouble (and by relation, got her in trouble), so perhaps she's trying to avoid that situation from happening again. She was written a little too over the top, but perhaps her anger/jealousy/protectiveness will make more sense in light of later revelations.
Lorraine's envy is eating her alive. Her provocative behavior has gained the attention Carlito Macharelli, the son of the gangster who owns the Green Mill. She's also managed to get herself into a compromising position with Gloria's fiance Bastian. Will she get even with Gloria? Or just ruin herself in the process?
Lorraine is walking a very fine line between being an envious, selfish, regular teenager and setting herself on fire. She's letting her emotions guide her instead of thinking her actions through, which never ends well. The fact that she went to visit Bastian while dressed as a hooker probably wasn't the best idea, especially when she was already buzzed from the drinks that Carlito bought her. I'm just glad that things didn't go further than a kiss. Should be interesting to hear what happens if that encounter gets out. How will Gloria react? How will Gloria's mother react?
I think she's becoming very close to destroying herself, but after her heart-to-heart with Gloria, Lorraine seemed like she was making baby steps to being a better friend and person. Should be interesting what sort of set back she has after being accused of tipping of Sebastian.
What did you think of the revelations that happen at the end of Part I? Are you surprised by the identity of Clara's cad? Who do you think tipped off Bastian that his fiancee is singing at the Green Mill?
I'm not really surprised that the Cad is the son of a prominent member of New York society. Just from the brief recollections of her past, she seemed to hang with a pretty swanky crowd. I'm more curious as to why he seems so threatening and violent. Is he part of the NY mob? Is he just an awful person who doesn't like not getting what he wants? I hope somehow she gets away from him and Marcus is there to back her up.
I said this in my previous post, but I think Bastian and Clara's cad know each other and were having a "business" meeting/night about town, just happening to stop by the Green Mill. Either that or the Cad knew the familial relationship between Clara and Gloria, and that was a way to get in. The Cad is obviously well connected to get all those creepy notes to Clara, so he must have a way of finding out things without people knowing.
Author Jill Larkin joins us this week, so please welcome her to the board!
Hello, Jill! Thanks for writing an awesome book!
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11-10-2010 12:11 PM
I would like to believe that Marcus is developing genuine feelings for Clara. It seems like he has, at any rate. In the back of my mind, however, I still remember that this began as a set-up. Is he just a really good actor, or has he been surprised by the power of his own feelings?
As far as Lorraine is concerned...well, she's really something, isn't she? She's definitely going to make a muck out of everything, especially for herself (because what goes around always comes around, even if it doesn't happen in Book One). Whether or not she'll bring Gloria down with her, I don't know.
I wasn't surprised by the letter-writer actually being Clara's cad. She thought it might be, after all. I was a bit surprised he'd go to such lengths since I had gathered he used Clara and threw her aside. Here is Clara's opportunity to go back to what she was, but I have a feeling that she's starting to like where she is now.
I think one reason for Vera's overprotectiveness is due to the fact that Gloria is white and Jerome is black. In the 1920s, such relationships weren't all that common. Prejudice still ran rampant in a way that society considered acceptable. She could think that there will be problems if there is a relationship. She might also think that Gloria is trying to build her reputation and that flirting around with a black man is one stepping stone. She might be attempting to save him from an emotional investment and potential heartbreak.
As far as Bastian is concerned, I'm still not sure. It's possible Lorraine unknowingly spilled the beans. After all, she initially went to see Bastian to tell him about Gloria, but decided not to. Maybe alcohol loosened her tongue. Then again, we don't know much about Bastian. All we see is a facade. He could be the type of man who has his "property" followed. He seems like the controlling type. Time will tell!
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11-10-2010 12:42 PM
Lavasoap wrote:
literature wrote:
Now you have to think, how did Bastian know about the Green Mill and its whereabouts? If he came on to Lorraine, how many other women were there and were any of them flappers from the Green Mill? Lief knew about Gloria but I can't see any connection between Lief and Bastian. So that leaves the only other character that keeps popping up...Carlito. Carlito is a gangster. Bastian has no money. His father gambled away whatever money they had. Could his father have gambled at the Green Mill? Was his father and/or Bastian somehow tied in with Carlito? I will have to keep on reading!
I love that you brought up Leif, because in the back of my mind I kept thinking what about the bartender! He seemed pretty nice and chatty with Gloria, so maybe he was concerned and notified Bastian. While we haven't seen a direct connection I pointed out that Bastian has to be getting his supply of liquor from someone. Even if they don't know each other a big society engagement means their photo is probably in all the papers, so if he's not the supplier he could still have recognized Gloria. Heck maybe he recognized her and knew that Sebastian's public prohibition stance could bring the Green Mill down if he found out later, so he notified him to save his job.
Oh the possibilities! This book is wonderful
Hi Lava,
That's what's so great about the FL. We can write whatever scenarios we want.for the book but in the end it remains as the author wrote it. I remember when the FL did Under This Unbroken Sky, the author, Shandi Mitchell, thanked us for so "gently" putting the book back together again.
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11-10-2010 12:54 PM
I found that I was surprised about half the time with the revelations. I was surprised that Clara's ex was so high profile. And I think that it's Vera who tipped Bastian off. I know, random, but I don't think that Lorraine or Clara would have done it.
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11-10-2010 01:12 PM
I love what is going on between Marcus and Clara but it’s hard to tell if they are into each other or who they think they are. I think Marcus genuinely likes Clara, he’s grown tired of the girls he usually dates and Clara is the total opposite (at least she appears to be). It’s obvious that Clara likes Marcus for who he is but I see a lot of back and forth going on with her feelings because she’s been really hurt. I haven’t read past page 271 so I’m curious to see what will happen between Clara and her ex.
Gloria is in for a world of pain. She has to make one of the hardest decisions, between doing what’s right for her and what’s right for her family. That’s ALWAYS a hard choice to make (I knew Bastian was a weasel all along too.). She has changed so much in such a short time and I like those changes. In a perfect world her relationship with Jerome would be so easy but in the 20’s? I don’t think so. I’m rooting for them though.
Lorraine doesn’t seem like such a bad person but she has a lot of growing up to do. She knows what she should do but is so caught up in petty jealousy that she can’t seem to do what’s right. She and Bastian should get married since I see a whole other side to Bastian and I think that side would work perfectly with Lorraine’s personality. I see Lorraine getting even but also ruining herself in the process only to realize that getting even was so not worth it.
I love the way part one ended and I can’t wait to finish this story. I was surprised by the identity of Clara’s ex and I hope she doesn’t fall for him all over again. Vera’s protectiveness over her brother is sweet and makes sense. He has a good thing going on at the green mill and she doesn’t want to see him ruined. Especially since gangsters are involved and working for the mob never ends well. I think Bastian decided to either follow or have someone follow Gloria when he noticed a change in her character.
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11-10-2010 01:36 PM
I agree with you about starting to like Gloria more and more. At first she came across as a rich, spoiled brat but as she gets more and more involved with Green Mill, she is changing. She is getting her chance at singing and learning that life isn't all about everything being there for you i.e., when she almost walks out from her first singing lesson with Jerome because of his attitude . I think the turning point for her metamorphasis emerges when she decides to continue the singing lessons with Jerome. She was pursuing a dream, knowing the cost could be the "arrangement" falling through or not singing and being stuck with Bastian for the rest of her life and/or leaving her and her mother cut off from money. A lot to shoulder at any age. I truly hope she dumps Bastian, (shame about the inheritance), pursues a successful singing career, hooks up with Jerome, and her mother will survive as I'm sure she can sell some of her possessions or maybe find another man, Bastian, well maybe he is involved with the gangsters and they give him what he deserves. I wrote in another post that I felt that he was too comfortable when he burst into the Green Mill and I felt he had a connection there and I still believe it.
The name "Bastian" is too similar to bastard so everytime I read the name Bastian, I transpose it to read Bastard. So befitting!
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wheeze wrote:Wow, talk about drama and suspense! Loving it!
I am starting to like Gloria more. At first I thought she was snotty, and unorginal. Now, she is growing on me. She is just a girl who wants to be loved. I like the romantic tension with Jerome. He is such a better person then Bastian. Bastian is just a man involved with money. It's going to be interesting to see which ones she sticks with.
As for Lorraine, she could disappear. I don't like her attitude and needs to get over herself. She is trying to be a flapper, but her actions lead to 'whiny brat' instead. Still though, I don't think she tattled on Gloria, she isn't smart enough for that. I am still trying to figure out which person did.
Clara, aah poor sweet, lying Clara. I think she needs to come clean to Marcus, or it may end badly. If he is a good guy, he will accept her, but we will see!
Well I still haven't read on at all..But I am leaning towards Vera..I just think that Bastian has skeletons in his closet...and Vera could be having an Affair with"Him".But we will see..Jillian must be getting a"Kick" reading all our comments.Especially since we are all playing out all these scenarios....I also Love the Drama....I think you are right Marcus would forgive her,because he is Falling in Love And Sarah-W..Next week will be amazing....
Re: Vixen Discussion: The Rest of Part I p.145 - 271
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11-10-2010 02:30 PM
first off i'd like to thank Jill Larkin for writing such a faciniating book. i LOVE the 1920s and look forward to reading the rest of the books in this series!!! THank You!
In the words of my 2 year old "Oh Wow!" this story has taken turns i would have never imagined. but lets get to the questions/comments made for this discussion (and them some)....
gloria:
this girls outside transformation did not change her - as disscusssed prior...i believe instead that she was at a crossroads (esp when looking at her age of 17) when she would naturally begin her own path. and with the unfortunate situation her family is in...her steps were easier to take when thinking of herself. i'd like to also comment that i'm totally shocked at the lack of interest parents during this time - at least in this social class - have in thier children. it seems as though they believe their money will outway the evil speakeasys and gangsters of the world.
i believe gloria does love jerome and that he in turn loves her in some way. i don't know if he's the one...i haven't read far enough to decide. but i do believe there are very strong feelings there...perhaps it's due to the unknown for both - or for her developing a relationship outside the world she's always known.
i also understand vera being protective of her brother. i point out now that we must remember the time period...and that jerome is black and gloria is white. i'm sure vera is very aware of what that color difference meant as well as how hard jerome apparently was working to make it in the world.
marcus & clara
i do believe marcus has fallen for clara - and i believe clara would love to fall for marcus but is still healing from her "cad". of course when we find out who he is...i really wasn't shocked. she sounds like she was pretty darn popular back in NY...setting trends etc.
lorraine
what a sad girl. you want to hate her for all the jealousy and anger she has...but you want her to get her way also. i wish marcus would just come out and be straight with her. it's so in your face that she's obssessed with him...and he just avoids it.
i'm worried about her being noticed by carlito. it really makes me uncomforitable - esp after meeting the young lady he seems to have ruined so quickly and easily. i hope that relationship does not develope and that it's only there to worry us.
i do not think she told bastian....i hope she didn't. i have a weird feeling that he's somehow involved with something bad that's linked the the speak easy.
maybe vera found out who gloria is. gloria herself states that she knew someone would find out sooner or later...because of the papers etc. i can see someone like vera - who's protecting her brother - to figure everything out and then tell on her. (she does seem to like being a "bitch").
until next time - or until i think of more based on others comments....
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11-10-2010 02:43 PM
i completely agree. clara is my favorite character as well. i wish we knew more about her past and what exactly happened to burn her so badly. i love the little glances we are given into her life in NY.
bastain is a big jerk! i'm hopeing that he's somehow involved with some tramp at the speakeasy and therefore thats how he found out about gloria...