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[ziki]

Well, let's say Ford is not my type, heheh
ziki

FMF

blurb:

Ford Madox Ford’s The Good Soldier was written for people who are voluntarily imprisoned in the world of appearances, and willingly maintain this semblance of illusion.
The novel was written for those, who deny themselves the pleasure of love; those who refuse to express their true and honest emotions towards the other; and who are terrified of breaking this illusion, because they strongly believe that this is the only way to maintain their own existence and that of society. They are satisfied with their self-deception, with the denial of their true emotions and natural attractions. They are afraid of the destructive force of fulfillment. And though they realize that their existence is based on lies and illusion, still they are afraid of losing the one person of their desires, whom they have finally allowed themselves to accept and acknowledge.
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What is "destructive force of fulfillment"?

Message Edited by ziki on 02-07-200706:57 AM

[ziki]

www.leninimports.com/ford_madox_brown.html

[ziki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Madox_Ford

[Everyman]

No wonder I'm not finding myself in empathy with the book. If that review is anywhere near correct, I'm scared to think of the kind of people who might like it!

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ziki wrote:
Well, let's say Ford is not my type, heheh
ziki

FMF

blurb:

Ford Madox Ford’s The Good Soldier was written for people who are voluntarily imprisoned in the world of appearances, and willingly maintain this semblance of illusion.
The novel was written for those, who deny themselves the pleasure of love; those who refuse to express their true and honest emotions towards the other; and who are terrified of breaking this illusion, because they strongly believe that this is the only way to maintain their own existence and that of society. They are satisfied with their self-deception, with the denial of their true emotions and natural attractions. They are afraid of the destructive force of fulfillment. And though they realize that their existence is based on lies and illusion, still they are afraid of losing the one person of their desires, whom they have finally allowed themselves to accept and acknowledge.
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What is "destructive force of fulfillment"?

Message Edited by ziki on 02-07-200706:57 AM

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[Everyman]

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ziki wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Madox_Ford

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A phrenologist would have a field day with that portrait.

[Choisya]

Oh it fits me to a tee except that I don't have a 'person of my desire' at the moment

Whatever was Ilana thinking of in getting us to read it, if it is all these things? LOL. Naughty, naughty Ilana

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ziki wrote:
Well, let's say Ford is not my type, heheh
ziki

FMF

blurb:

Ford Madox Ford’s The Good Soldier was written for people who are voluntarily imprisoned in the world of appearances, and willingly maintain this semblance of illusion.
The novel was written for those, who deny themselves the pleasure of love; those who refuse to express their true and honest emotions towards the other; and who are terrified of breaking this illusion, because they strongly believe that this is the only way to maintain their own existence and that of society. They are satisfied with their self-deception, with the denial of their true emotions and natural attractions. They are afraid of the destructive force of fulfillment. And though they realize that their existence is based on lies and illusion, still they are afraid of losing the one person of their desires, whom they have finally allowed themselves to accept and acknowledge.
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What is "destructive force of fulfillment"?

Message Edited by ziki on 02-07-200706:57 AM

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[pmath]

Very funny, Choisya! Ziki, I couldn't find your quote in the link you posted. Was it from another source?

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Choisya wrote:
Oh it fits me to a tee except that I don't have a 'person of my desire' at the moment

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ziki wrote:
Well, let's say Ford is not my type, heheh
ziki

FMF

blurb:

...though they realize that their existence is based on lies and illusion, still they are afraid of losing the one person of their desires, whom they have finally allowed themselves to accept and acknowledge.

[IlanaSimons]

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Choisya wrote:

Whatever was Ilana thinking of in getting us to read it, if it is all these things? LOL. Naughty, naughty Ilana


yeah. But we can also read books we don't love in order to understand how the other side thinks. an exercise in psychology. and literary history.

[Areopagitica]

In order to understand what the "destructive force of fulfillment" might refer to, I guess we can begin by analyzing both Florence and Edward. They followed their passions regardless of future consequences, only to end up committing suicide later on in their own solitude. However, by embracing their passions and refusing to deny their emotions, didn't they live more fulfilling lives as opposed to Dowell and Leonara? Or were they perhaps more oppressed by their feelings due to the fact that they had to abide by the norms of society?

[donyskiw]

Perhaps you should not discuss the entire plot in the community room where those of us who have not read the entire book yet might have it spoiled for us.

Denise

[ziki]

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pmath wrote:
Very funny, Choisya! Ziki, I couldn't find your quote in the link you posted. Was it from another source?

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Hi pmath, yes it was.....but I lost the link so I can't provide a better reference but it was from an arcticle that presented some translation of the book into what I thought was a little unusual language...like Hungrian or something like that.

ziki

[ziki]

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Choisya wrote:
Oh it fits me to a tee except that I don't have a 'person of my desire' at the moment

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ROFL....but then you must also be the most French Brit we know in the necks of the woods.

[ziki]

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IlanaSimons wrote: But we can also read books we don't love in order to understand how the other side thinks. an exercise in psychology. and literary history.

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That sums up just about all classics I ever heard off....LOL ....(just kidding).
ziki

[ziki]

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Areopagitica wrote:
In order to understand what the "destructive force of fulfillment" might refer to, I guess we can begin by analyzing both Florence and Edward. They followed their passions regardless of future consequences, only to end up committing suicide later on in their own solitude. However, by embracing their passions and refusing to deny their emotions, didn't they live more fulfilling lives as opposed to Dowell and Leonara? Or were they perhaps more oppressed by their feelings due to the fact that they had to abide by the norms of society?

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yes thank you for your thoughtfull answer, I will ponder it once I am through the book... I just thought it sounded like an oxymoron.

ziki

Message Edited by ziki on 02-08-200708:28 PM

[ziki]

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donyskiw wrote:
Perhaps you should not discuss the entire plot in the community room where those of us who have not read the entire book yet might have it spoiled for us.

Denise

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well yeah, I was still happily thinking Edward will die of heart attack....
ziki

[pmath]

Here it is:

http://www.readme.cc/main.php/en/books_10000/books_10200/book.php?bid=901

Did the reviewer write all of it, or is some of it a quote from a Penguin edition of A Good Soldier?

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?EAN=9780140283310

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ziki wrote:
Hi pmath, yes it was.....but I lost the link so I can't provide a better reference but it was from an arcticle that presented some translation of the book into what I thought was a little unusual language...like Hungrian or something like that.

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pmath wrote:
Ziki, I couldn't find your quote in the link you posted. Was it from another source?

[ziki]

pmath you googling wizzard... I thought that you'd find it if I told you the fragments...
jo Katona...whatever :-) At least it is clear that I didn't fake the info.

i didn't check with BN and I am readign Oxford edition which I can't make my mind about.

How do you like the book? Would you have an affair with Good Soldier? I wouldn't!

ziki

Message Edited by ziki on 02-08-200709:20 PM

[Choisya]

That full review, with the quote in context, is very amusing, very tongue in cheek.

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pmath wrote:
Here it is:

http://www.readme.cc/main.php/en/books_10000/books_10200/book.php?bid=901

Did the reviewer write all of it, or is some of it a quote from a Penguin edition of A Good Soldier?

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/BookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?EAN=9780140283310

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ziki wrote:
Hi pmath, yes it was.....but I lost the link so I can't provide a better reference but it was from an arcticle that presented some translation of the book into what I thought was a little unusual language...like Hungrian or something like that.

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pmath wrote:
Ziki, I couldn't find your quote in the link you posted. Was it from another source?

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[Choisya]

I wouldn't have an affair with anyone described as 'good'

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ziki wrote:
pmath you googling wizzard... I thought that you'd find it if I told you the fragments...
jo Katona...whatever :-) At least it is clear that I didn't fake the info.

i didn't check with BN and I am readign Oxford edition which I can't make my mind about.

How do you like the book? Would you have an affair with Good Soldier? I wouldn't!

ziki

Message Edited by ziki on 02-08-200709:20 PM

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[Choisya]

I have a French name and had a French humanist-godmother - does that count?

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ziki wrote:

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Choisya wrote:
Oh it fits me to a tee except that I don't have a 'person of my desire' at the moment

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ROFL....but then you must also be the most French Brit we know in the necks of the woods.

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