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Re: Draco Malfoy, dupe, or dope.kinda off topic



Psychee wrote:
That Lestrange vault had more than treasure in it... remember that crown that was still attached to the skeleton head? WHY would they keep the head?????


Might it have been someone who tried to break in and steal the crown, and thereby tripped a curse that sealed them in, where they died many centuries ago? Although I would expect the body to mummify rather than just decay ...
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Re: Draco Malfoy, dupe, or dope.kinda off topic

So the two of you think that the Malfoy's were punished for their association with Voldemort by having their property confiscated? I don't. When Lucius was captured in the MOM in OOTP, he just got chucked in Askaban, his property wasn't confiscated. I can't remember the Wizengamot handing out any punishments like that before-imprisonment for some infractions, wand-breaking for others.



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[...] Was Draco and family still able to prosper after they'd been exposed for who they truly were? [...] I'd have liked to hear that the Weasley's all have incredible jobs now and are really doing well financially and the Malfoys, after their exposure, are getting their come-uppins.


Harry being Harry, I'm sure that he testified that Narcissa defied Voldemort and protected him. Doing it to save Draco isn't much, but at least she put something in front of her loyalty to Voldemort. Something besides her own life, that is.

It wouldn't surprise me if Malfoy Manor had been turned into a school for the reformation of hags or some such.


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Well with the new minister, I think everything is about to change.
He’s part of the order and he’s definitely not going to turn a blind eye on what he already knows and what wizards suffer from.
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I'm sure Kingsley Shacklebolt made a lot of changes, and when Harry, Ron and Hermione join the Minnistry, they were making a lot of changes too. I just don't think the confiscation of property would be one of the punishments. I have absolutely no facts to back this up, other than in the epilogue, Draco is there seeing little Scorpius off to Hogwarts. So Draco still had to have some money to be able to afford to send his kid to school.



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Well with the new minister, I think everything is about to change.
He’s part of the order and he’s definitely not going to turn a blind eye on what he already knows and what wizards suffer from.


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Well even if they didn’t Hogwarts have their own funds for people who can’t afford it right?
But anyway, with the way things ended… im glad to see malfoy still sending his kid to Hogwarts.i thought it was to symbolize he doesn’t think durmstrang or any other school that’s more expensive is better than Hogwarts at all.
I would feel bad for malfoy if MOM took all of their possessions and they ended up with nothing… you know it’s juts me putting myself in malfoy’s shoes…
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Re: Draco Malfoy, dupe, or dope.kinda off topic



gniff wrote:


Psychee wrote:
That Lestrange vault had more than treasure in it... remember that crown that was still attached to the skeleton head? WHY would they keep the head?????


Might it have been someone who tried to break in and steal the crown, and thereby tripped a curse that sealed them in, where they died many centuries ago? Although I would expect the body to mummify rather than just decay ...




Gniff, I don't think the whole skeleton was there... just the head. As if someone had ordered some Prince's head chopped off and delivered to them and then the Lestranges put the head, with the crown still on it, in their vault.


Mollywobbles, your idea about the Permanent Sticking Charm was hilarious and just might be the reason!
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I don't think their property would have been confiscated - just that their wealth and position would have dried up a little making it uncomfortable and embarrasinng to be them. But apparently with little scorpius all decked out on the first day of school . . . they';re still doing well.

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Re: Draco Malfoy, dupe, or dope.kinda off topic

the Malfoy family, and the Black family for that matter, are good at figuring out which way the wind is blowing. They might back the wrong horse from time to time, but eventually, they'll come up smelling like roses.



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I don't think their property would have been confiscated - just that their wealth and position would have dried up a little making it uncomfortable and embarrasinng to be them. But apparently with little scorpius all decked out on the first day of school . . . they';re still doing well.

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Horse backs.. roses.. I got it! The Malfoys are manure!



Mollywobbles wrote:
the Malfoy family, and the Black family for that matter, are good at figuring out which way the wind is blowing. They might back the wrong horse from time to time, but eventually, they'll come up smelling like roses.



Auror_in_Training wrote:
I don't think their property would have been confiscated - just that their wealth and position would have dried up a little making it uncomfortable and embarrasinng to be them. But apparently with little scorpius all decked out on the first day of school . . . they';re still doing well.

:smileysad:





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I knew you would get it, you're such a clever cougar! Peacock Poo. Dragon Dung, you get the picture.



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Horse backs.. roses.. I got it! The Malfoys are manure!



Mollywobbles wrote:
the Malfoy family, and the Black family for that matter, are good at figuring out which way the wind is blowing. They might back the wrong horse from time to time, but eventually, they'll come up smelling like roses.



Auror_in_Training wrote:
I don't think their property would have been confiscated - just that their wealth and position would have dried up a little making it uncomfortable and embarrasinng to be them. But apparently with little scorpius all decked out on the first day of school . . . they';re still doing well.

:smileysad:








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Re: Draco Malfoy, dupe, or dope.kinda off topic

I read somewhere that Harry went into the Auror program after the end of moldy voldy, under Kingsley and they reorganized the program of which Harry is now the head. Did I read that on Lexicon? I think I did. However, I can confirm that this is good information as I'm in the program and about to graduate! As for confiscating property, Hermione wrote some pretty powerful spells that not only reveal dark artifacts but also make them hover above the home of the violator and show when they were last used. :smileywink:



Mollywobbles wrote:
I'm sure Kingsley Shacklebolt made a lot of changes, and when Harry, Ron and Hermione join the Minnistry, they were making a lot of changes too. I just don't think the confiscation of property would be one of the punishments. I have absolutely no facts to back this up, other than in the epilogue, Draco is there seeing little Scorpius off to Hogwarts. So Draco still had to have some money to be able to afford to send his kid to school.



mrsronaldweasley wrote:
Well with the new minister, I think everything is about to change.
He’s part of the order and he’s definitely not going to turn a blind eye on what he already knows and what wizards suffer from.





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Ah, Auror, you are talking about chattels, I am talking about real property. I like the idea that the dark artifacts would be revealed and removed, but do you think they would take away the Malfoy Manor? Where would Draco and his family live, somewhere in Soho, or a flat in Diagon Alley? Nah, I bet Draco is still living it up in the family estate, complete with white peacocks. As an aside, when I was in Scotland in September, I went to see the ruins of Edzel castle (gorgeous ruins, by the way), and the official "greeter" was a peahen named....wait for it....Lily! Absolutely true!



Auror_in_Training wrote:
I read somewhere that Harry went into the Auror program after the end of moldy voldy, under Kingsley and they reorganized the program of which Harry is now the head. Did I read that on Lexicon? I think I did. However, I can confirm that this is good information as I'm in the program and about to graduate! As for confiscating property, Hermione wrote some pretty powerful spells that not only reveal dark artifacts but also make them hover above the home of the violator and show when they were last used. :smileywink:



Mollywobbles wrote:
I'm sure Kingsley Shacklebolt made a lot of changes, and when Harry, Ron and Hermione join the Minnistry, they were making a lot of changes too. I just don't think the confiscation of property would be one of the punishments. I have absolutely no facts to back this up, other than in the epilogue, Draco is there seeing little Scorpius off to Hogwarts. So Draco still had to have some money to be able to afford to send his kid to school.



mrsronaldweasley wrote:
Well with the new minister, I think everything is about to change.
He’s part of the order and he’s definitely not going to turn a blind eye on what he already knows and what wizards suffer from.








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Hey

I was just wondering... in the beginning bpooks, do you think Draco actually wanted Harry killed? And when he said in CoS he hoped Hermionie died, do you actually think he meant it? Just wondering what your opinions were. 

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Hi Jaya,

 

I doubt Draco really wished Hermione dead, or wanted Harry killed-I think it was just so much bravado and showing off.  More like Draco in a temper tantrum.  Even when Draco was forced to try and kill Dumbledore or risk his own life and that of his family, he still couldn't do the deed himself. 

 


agnijay wrote:

Hey

I was just wondering... in the beginning bpooks, do you think Draco actually wanted Harry killed? And when he said in CoS he hoped Hermionie died, do you actually think he meant it? Just wondering what your opinions were. 


 

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In COS, Draco knew that his father had something to do with the monster who was attacking the Muggle-born.  He didn't know specifics, but he did know that his father (or his friends) were somehow behind it.

 

As a result, since he idolized his father, I think Draco would have been thrilled if Hermione had died - the same way he was thrilled about Buckbeak getting executed the next year.

 

But I agree with Mollywobbles that he himself was not capable of killling.  He was more enamored with the idea of power and seeing people suffer as a result of his (or his family's) power.  

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Draco was indeed a nasty piece of work. He had a perfect opportunity to kill Harry on the train at the beginning of HBP, but only broke his nose.  Voldemort's supporters may have been under orders not to kill Potter as Voldey was obsessed with doing it himself, but how much trouble would Draco have been in if he had actually done it?  Would Voldemort have killed Draco, or punished him severely, or would Voldemort have been secretly pleased that Potter was finally out of the way?

 


Psychee wrote:

In COS, Draco knew that his father had something to do with the monster who was attacking the Muggle-born.  He didn't know specifics, but he did know that his father (or his friends) were somehow behind it.

 

As a result, since he idolized his father, I think Draco would have been thrilled if Hermione had died - the same way he was thrilled about Buckbeak getting executed the next year.

 

But I agree with Mollywobbles that he himself was not capable of killling.  He was more enamored with the idea of power and seeing people suffer as a result of his (or his family's) power.  


 

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How happy do you think Voldemort would have been if Draco had killed the boy whom Voldemort himself was unable to kill?  Voldemort would have been humiliated and would have killed Draco just to prove that he was a better wizard, I think.

 


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Draco was indeed a nasty piece of work. He had a perfect opportunity to kill Harry on the train at the beginning of HBP, but only broke his nose.  Voldemort's supporters may have been under orders not to kill Potter as Voldey was obsessed with doing it himself, but how much trouble would Draco have been in if he had actually done it?  Would Voldemort have killed Draco, or punished him severely, or would Voldemort have been secretly pleased that Potter was finally out of the way?

 


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I think Voldemort would have punished Draco, but Voldemort's track record at getting rid of Harry was terrible, and I think he may have been secretly relieved that the pesky kid was out of the way. If Draco had played his cards right, he could have claimed he was defending himself from an attack by Harry, or that it was a burst of excessive zeal in support of the Dark Lord.  You may be right, though, Voldemort might have just killed Draco for disobeying an order.

 


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How happy do you think Voldemort would have been if Draco had killed the boy whom Voldemort himself was unable to kill?  Voldemort would have been humiliated and would have killed Draco just to prove that he was a better wizard, I think.

 


Mollywobbles wrote:

Draco was indeed a nasty piece of work. He had a perfect opportunity to kill Harry on the train at the beginning of HBP, but only broke his nose.  Voldemort's supporters may have been under orders not to kill Potter as Voldey was obsessed with doing it himself, but how much trouble would Draco have been in if he had actually done it?  Would Voldemort have killed Draco, or punished him severely, or would Voldemort have been secretly pleased that Potter was finally out of the way?

 



 

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As much as I want to hate Draco, I can't. He had so much going on in his life. His parents were Death Eater's, and his whole family was in Slytherin. Everyone was pressuring him. He made really bad choices in his life and in his years at Hogwarts, but I always felt sorry for him, no matter how evil he was. I truly don't believe that he was evil, just a kid who had a harsh childhood and made some wrong decisions. Draco was also very jealous of Harry. I was satisfied with the Epilogue. It seemed to fit, just the way he nodded to Harry in a formal kind of way. Not quite a greeting, not quite a farewell. Just a nod. We don't know what kind of adult he grew up to be, but I believe that whatever he grew up to be, he wasn't the same evil git that we knew who was in Hogwarts, always taunting Harry.
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I don't have as much sympathy as you do for Draco-at least until the end.  Comparatively speaking, Draco had a pretty easy life, raised in luxury, both parents still living, an assured place in society...not at all like Harry or Neville.  Draco also wanted to be in Slytherin, following the family tradition, the same way he followed in Daddy's footsteps by becoming a death eater.  These were conscious choices, he didn't get backed into a corner.  I don't know that Draco was jealous of Harry in the ordinary sense-Draco had everything, Harry had nothing.  I think what Draco envied was Harry's celebrity, and he was ticked off that Harry publicly rebuffed Draco's initial offer of friendship.

 

I was able to muster some sympathy for him when he got in over his head though in HBP, and I thought things were definitely looking up when, in DH, Draco tried to avoid identifying the kids when they were captured and taken to the manor.  Then it fell off the rails again when Draco tried to take the tiara.  Perhaps Draco had no other option as Crabbe ( or was it Goyle ?) seemed to have gotten the upper hand in that relationship, but Draco didn't seem very grateful to have been saved not once, but twice by Harry and Ron. 

 

I did think the simple nod in the epilogue was a nice touch,however.  It didn't hint of any budding friendship between the two, but it didn't suggest that the feud was still raging either.   

 


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As much as I want to hate Draco, I can't. He had so much going on in his life. His parents were Death Eater's, and his whole family was in Slytherin. Everyone was pressuring him. He made really bad choices in his life and in his years at Hogwarts, but I always felt sorry for him, no matter how evil he was. I truly don't believe that he was evil, just a kid who had a harsh childhood and made some wrong decisions. Draco was also very jealous of Harry. I was satisfied with the Epilogue. It seemed to fit, just the way he nodded to Harry in a formal kind of way. Not quite a greeting, not quite a farewell. Just a nod. We don't know what kind of adult he grew up to be, but I believe that whatever he grew up to be, he wasn't the same evil git that we knew who was in Hogwarts, always taunting Harry.