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Re: Spiders, Dumbledore, and killing Death Eaters
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04-14-2007 01:28 PM
phrodo41 wrote:
Here's a thing... Jo said that Voldemort is beyond the point of redemption. She says everyone else in the story is redeemable, but not Voldemort.
So, Harry would be more justified in actually killing Voldemort than he would be in killing, say, Snape or Umbridge. Because there's at least a remote chance that Snape and Umbridge could redeem themselves somehow.
Here's the quote to which I think you are referring. From Harry, Carrie, and Garp:
J.K. Rowling: Well, I believe that almost anyone can redeem themselves... However, in some cases, as we know from reality -- if a psychologist were ever able to get Voldemort in a room, pin him down and take his wand away, I think he would be classified as a psychopath (crowd laughs). So there are people, for whom, whatever you're going to callit -- personality disorder or an illness -- for whom redemption is not possible. They're rare.
I don't agree that Harry would be more justified in killing Voldemort than he'd be in killing another character, IF Harry has the option of putting Voldemort out of commission without actually killing him and chooses to kill him instead. I think that Voldemort is not redeemable makes it almost worse for Harry to kill him.
Do I think a psychopath should wander about freely? Absolutely not. Do I think the psychopath understands his choices and is responsible for them? I'm not so sure. If there is a possibility that he can be treated and kept from endangering others, shouldn't that be pursued before he's killed?
I'm holding out hope that Harry's "love-tinged" blood will seep into the Tom Riddle deep within Voldemort, and that Tom may re-emerge, powerless and mortal, but alive enough to understand all that he lost by making the choices he made.
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04-14-2007 02:25 PM
you might be right, but this is epic fantasy, and a war scenario we're talking about here.
I don't think anyone is going to think less of Harry for killing Voldemort, even if he does it in the most gruesome way imaginable (I don't think he well, but he could). This may cost a bit of Harry's "wholeness of soul," but I think we can agree that it would be a worthy sacrifice - to lose some of your own "goodness" as part of the cost of defeating evil.
I don't think anyone is going to think less of Harry for killing Voldemort, even if he does it in the most gruesome way imaginable (I don't think he well, but he could). This may cost a bit of Harry's "wholeness of soul," but I think we can agree that it would be a worthy sacrifice - to lose some of your own "goodness" as part of the cost of defeating evil.
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04-15-2007 12:10 AM
I would certainly think less of Harry! And moreover I believe doing evil even if it is supposedly in a good cause brings you down to their level. It's too easy to justify doing wrong because you meant well. It leads down a very slippery slope.
phrodo41 wrote:
you might be right, but this is epic fantasy, and a war scenario we're talking about here.
I don't think anyone is going to think less of Harry for killing Voldemort, even if he does it in the most gruesome way imaginable (I don't think he well, but he could). This may cost a bit of Harry's "wholeness of soul," but I think we can agree that it would be a worthy sacrifice - to lose some of your own "goodness" as part of the cost of defeating evil.
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04-15-2007 10:49 AM
phrodo41 wrote:
you might be right, but this is epic fantasy, and a war scenario we're talking about here.
I don't think anyone is going to think less of Harry for killing Voldemort, even if he does it in the most gruesome way imaginable (I don't think he well, but he could). This may cost a bit of Harry's "wholeness of soul," but I think we can agree that it would be a worthy sacrifice - to lose some of your own "goodness" as part of the cost of defeating evil.
I think it's more than epic fantasy though. It's also a coming of age story and the whole series is focused on Harry, not the war. Choices matter, and choosing to do what is right over what is easy has been shown over and over. Individuals matter, from the lowest House Elf to the most powerful wizard.
I don't think death is the answer to the problems here. If Harry kills, and we all cheer, what is the message? It's okay for good guys to kill bad guys? Hasn't Jo already shown us that just about everyone is wearing a grey hat? Where do you draw the line? (Kill all known Death Eaters? Kill anyone who gets between you and Voldemort? Kill Stan Shunpike because he pretended to be a Death Eater?) What happens to second chances?
So yes, I'll understand if Harry is forced to kill Voldemort for self-preservation or to protect his friends. But if he chooses to kill Voldemort in the most gruesome way imaginable, I'm not sure if good will actually be defeating evil, or if evil will be conquering a small bit of what is good.
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