The thing about the Mirror Erised and the Boggart are that they showed Harry what they do without him having to say anything. No clue's no hints, and NO SUGGESTIONS.
My point is that HARRY SAID SLYTHERIN, NOT THE HAT. I was just wondering is it possible that the hat wouldn't have mentioned Slytherin at all, if Harry hadn't.
1-I mean both Harry's parents were in Gryffindor.
2-The hat says "Plenty of courage, I see. Not a bad mind either. There's talent...", that sound's very Gryffindor, especially according to the song the Hat sung earlier in the chapter, and not Slytherin.
3-Plus could we please not forget that Harry pulled a Gryffindor sword from the hat in the COS. And that the Sorting Hat was also Godric's and why would it put a Slytherin in Godric's house?
Anyhoo, all I'm trying to point out is, that Harry thinking the Sorting Hat could've put him in Slytherin is technically WRONG, as he voiced the thought first and the Hat just commeted on his thought. There's no way for Harry to know if the Hat was going to say Slytherin First.
And the scene in COS when he puts the hat on again, he never let's the hat finish. The hat manages to say "you would have done well in Slytherin-" then Harry pulls it off. But the answer to what he would've said comes first "I stick by what I said before..." meaning the sentenced could've finished "you would've done well in Slytherin, but you'll be Great in Gryffindor" or something else of the sorts.
And to Patty, who I knew would bring in the Harry is a Horcrux angle- which even though is very convincing; I'll stick with my belief that he isn't a Horcrux. The Hat didn't read into the bit of Voldy floating in Harry, he seemed to be reading Gryffindor signs until Harry himself mentioned Slytherin. Now what it means that Harry mentioned Slytherin first is debatable...
My point is that HARRY SAID SLYTHERIN, NOT THE HAT. I was just wondering is it possible that the hat wouldn't have mentioned Slytherin at all, if Harry hadn't.
1-I mean both Harry's parents were in Gryffindor.
2-The hat says "Plenty of courage, I see. Not a bad mind either. There's talent...", that sound's very Gryffindor, especially according to the song the Hat sung earlier in the chapter, and not Slytherin.
3-Plus could we please not forget that Harry pulled a Gryffindor sword from the hat in the COS. And that the Sorting Hat was also Godric's and why would it put a Slytherin in Godric's house?
Anyhoo, all I'm trying to point out is, that Harry thinking the Sorting Hat could've put him in Slytherin is technically WRONG, as he voiced the thought first and the Hat just commeted on his thought. There's no way for Harry to know if the Hat was going to say Slytherin First.
And the scene in COS when he puts the hat on again, he never let's the hat finish. The hat manages to say "you would have done well in Slytherin-" then Harry pulls it off. But the answer to what he would've said comes first "I stick by what I said before..." meaning the sentenced could've finished "you would've done well in Slytherin, but you'll be Great in Gryffindor" or something else of the sorts.
And to Patty, who I knew would bring in the Harry is a Horcrux angle- which even though is very convincing; I'll stick with my belief that he isn't a Horcrux. The Hat didn't read into the bit of Voldy floating in Harry, he seemed to be reading Gryffindor signs until Harry himself mentioned Slytherin. Now what it means that Harry mentioned Slytherin first is debatable...
Dkrupp wrote:
Proper-T wrote:
Ok, so I had this one question and it lead to a whole thought process, so bare with me as I explain it:
At first I wondered whether the Hat has all that much say in choosing your house. Because as we read Hermione was almost put in Ravenclaw, but we know she wanted Gryffindor from the start, right? And though it doesn't happen all the time, most people end up in the houses of their parents (or one of them) ex. Malfoy, Ron, etc... So I wondered if the hat just made it official? That maybe deep down you already know your house...
But then I remembered something else, Harry. Everyone always goes on about "Harry could've been in Slytherin", but the Sorting Hat didn't suggest Slytherin first, Harry did. In other words how do we know the Sorting Hat would've even considered Slytherin if Harry hadn't said anything? What if after Harry mentioned Slytherin, the Hat just indulged him?
The Hat took a long time to place Neville, and until the middle of OoTP, most people still wondered why? Could you not see the hat indulging Neville's fear of not being good enough?
Just wondering, you know me...
I don't have a real comment, other than that your read of the hat is similar to that of the mirror of erised and the boggarts. The hat figures out your deepest desire or your strongest characteristics or secret fears and shows them to you even if you can't see them.
The boggarts show you your strongest fear. The Mirror of Erised shows your deepest desires. These are good things as they force you to see your true self and to understand yourself more completely, and to deal with that truth.
I think Voldemort is Tom Riddle's false self, so these things can be used in interesting ways in the fight to defeat him. Might he be one of the many paralyzed into inaction by the mirror of Erised? Might the sorting hat upon his head, be able to see into his mind and show Harry his strengths and weaknesses? Or help him to find Tom Riddle somewhere in Voldemort's head?
Message Edited by Proper-T on 04-15-200706:39 PM
I"m sorry, this is soooooooooooo random, but I thought of it when I was reading this thread. The mirror is Erised would be so helpful in life. Sometimes I really don't know what I want, so the mirror could just tell me! I still really don't know what I would see when i looked into it! I don't think it would be socks like dumbledore...
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