Tiny questions that don't matter but I'm asking anyway [ Edited ]

[Mollywobbles]

Hi PEGSmom,  I'm not sure I have this right, I may need help from Psychee, but I don't think Harry and Slytherin were  related by blood. If I understood it correctly, Harry was descended from Ignotius Peverell.  The Gaunt family, I think, was descended from one of the other Peverells, but the Slytherin line married in to that gang, not the descendents of Ignotius.  I guess if you were doing a family tree, they might show up as inlaws , but I think they were only related by marriage, not blood.  If the basilisk was trained to recognize the blood heirs of Slytherin, it would recognize Riddle (descended through the Gaunts) but not Harry.  I may be completely off base though, help me out here Psychee!

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PEGSmom wrote:

Mollywobbles, help me understand. I thought Harry was an heir of Slytherin. I understand about the soul part from Tommy boy. But he was a distant relation to Slytherin, right? 

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Mollywobbles wrote:

My guess is that Tom Riddle had been doing a lot of research-very good research given the fact that many Hogwarts staff over the centuries had looked for the chamber and never found it, according to Binns.  Whatever clues Riddle had picked up to lead him to the chamber may have helped him to control the basilisk without feeling any ill effects, like dying! 

The legend also referred to the Heir of Slytherin, which Riddle was. Harry wasn't an heir, he just had a soul barnacle which gave him limited qualities, but didn't make him a blood heir.  Perhaps the basilisk simply recognized the true heir and knew not to harm him.

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Psychee wrote:

New Question:  How did Tom Riddle manage to release the basilisk without it seeing him and killing him?  Was this basilisk specially trained not to look at the Heir of Slytherin?  And if Riddle somehow had such protection, and Harry had a part of him in his head, why wouldn't Harry have gotten the protection as well as the ability to speak Parseltongue?

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Message Edited by Mollywobbles on 04-15-2008 05:10 PM

[ciproano]

Hi, Mollywobbles.  I think you are right in that Harry was descended from Ignotus Peverell (the youngest brother, he of the cloak), while Marvolo Gaunt was descended from Cadmus Peverell (the middle brother, he of the Resurrrection Stone, ergo Gaunt's ring).  I can't find any source that puts a date to the Tale of the Three Brothers, i.e. when those Peverell brothers were stomping across that river, but I assumed that they predated Salazar Slytherin ("a thousand years ago").  I also have never seen a reliable source that confirms that Slytherin was a descendent of one of the Peverells or vice versa.  It appears that the SSlytherin line married into that Cadmus P line at some point, which is how the Cadmus Peverell stone/ring and Slytherin locket both ended up in Marvolo's rather simian hands (wasn't Slytherin's statue in CoS rather monkeyish looking as well?).

I was thinking that perhaps the reason Tom Riddle was able to locate the CoS when others could not was because he, like Harry many years later, could HEAR the basilisk, assuming it doesn't hibernate in between heir appearances.  So maybe he had a snakey conversation with it before setting eyes on it, and knowing he was the new heir and master, the basilisk itself warned him not to look.  Now I'm getting a funny vision of that monkey doing "see no evil". 

Just an idea,

Puffy Griffinclaw

[Psychee]

You've got it perfectly right, Molllywobbles.  There was only one heir of Slytherin, only one descendent of Slytherin.   That was Tom Riddle.  Harry had no Slytherin blood.

Tom Riddle was descended from both Slytherin and the second Peverell brother.  The families either intermarried directly or else both married into the Gaunt clan.

Harry is descended from the third Peverell brother. 

We don't know how many generations separate the Peverell brothers from Harry, but all Tom Riddle and Harry share is one set of Great (multiplied by the # of generations) Peverell Grandparents.

[Psychee]

New Question:  How did Harry learn to write with a Quill?   I can't believe that is something a normal 11 year old Muggle would know.

[PEGSmom]

Thanks everyone for clearing that up! I knew he was related to one of the Peverell brothers but for some reason I thought there was a direct link to Slytherin there.

[mrsronaldweasl…]

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Psychee wrote:

New Question:  How did Harry learn to write with a Quill?   I can't believe that is something a normal 11 year old Muggle would know.

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 Urg! I know! And what is Ginny’s real name again? Virgie? Virginia? Virginny? Ginny-ology?

Whats her real name again? *hick!

[Psychee]

Genevra!

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mrsronaldweasley wrote:

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Psychee wrote:

New Question:  How did Harry learn to write with a Quill?   I can't believe that is something a normal 11 year old Muggle would know.

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 Urg! I know! And what is Ginny’s real name again? Virgie? Virginia? Virginny? Ginny-ology?

Whats her real name again? *hick!

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[mrsronaldweasl…]

Oh is she Ginevra?? As in the “ginevra” aunt Muriel was talking about in the Wedding in DH?  Good grief! Her name’s Ginevra!  

*walks out! lol

[Mollywobbles]

I loved this question!  I doubt an 11 year old muggle would know how to use a quill, 11 year old muggles probably don't even use fountain pens these days, let alone quills.  I wonder why Hogwarts didn't adopt some of the muggles' good ideas, like ball point pens...just think of the time it would have saved Filch cleaning up the ink bottles Peeves overturned.

Come to think of it, quills and ink weren't even on Harry's list of things to buy-I can only guess that Hagrid must have clued him in somewhere along the line in Diagon Alley.  Hermione, who would have been in the same boat, probably practiced with the quill since she read most of the texts before start of first year, but Aunt Petunia would have thrown a fit if Harry had opened an ink bottle at Privet Dr. Why didn't Harry just sneak a ballpoint pen into Hogwarts-or at least a pencil!  I know electronic gadgets wouldn't work at Hogwarts-too much magic in the air-but a ballpoint (or Biro as the Brits call them) or a pencil would have worked.

It also makes me wonder why the students couldn't buy note-taking quills, like Rita's QuikQuotes quill.  Why didn't the teachers show the students how to make writing appear with their wands-the way they wrote instructions on the blackboard?  Wouldn't that enable the students to pay more attention to the lessons without worrying about writing up their notes?  Of course, in practical lessons where wands were needed for things like doing charms, transfigurations etc, that wouldn't work, but it would have come in handy in Binns class.

Another question..there was a Wizard Wireless network, but we never hear of students at Hogwarts having a personal radio, or even one in the common rooms.  Even with all the magic at Hogwarts, the WWN must have been on a wizarding frequency which wasn't bothered by magic, otherwise how would it be received in any wizard household?  Of course, it could be the concentration of magic at Hogwarts, or part of the protections on the castle, but usually students, even at a boarding school, are allowed a radio in the common room.

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Psychee wrote:

New Question:  How did Harry learn to write with a Quill?   I can't believe that is something a normal 11 year old Muggle would know.

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[Starlet]

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Mollywobbles wrote:

It also makes me wonder why the students couldn't buy note-taking quills, like Rita's QuikQuotes quill. Why didn't the teachers show the students how to make writing appear with their wands-the way they wrote instructions on the blackboard? Wouldn't that enable the students to pay more attention to the lessons without worrying about writing up their notes? Of course, in practical lessons where wands were needed for things like doing charms, transfigurations etc, that wouldn't work, but it would have come in handy in Binns class.

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It would probably help students like Hermione pay more attention, but some of the guys in my grade would just ignore the teacher and look over the notes later. I've noticed that when I write my notes I remember them easier

[Mollywobbles]

Your handwriting must be better than mine was   I'd go back to my notes and couldn't read a lot of them!   Of course, being older than dirt, I was using a slate and chalk, which tended to smudge!

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Starlet wrote:

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Mollywobbles wrote:

It also makes me wonder why the students couldn't buy note-taking quills, like Rita's QuikQuotes quill. Why didn't the teachers show the students how to make writing appear with their wands-the way they wrote instructions on the blackboard? Wouldn't that enable the students to pay more attention to the lessons without worrying about writing up their notes? Of course, in practical lessons where wands were needed for things like doing charms, transfigurations etc, that wouldn't work, but it would have come in handy in Binns class.

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It would probably help students like Hermione pay more attention, but some of the guys in my grade would just ignore the teacher and look over the notes later. I've noticed that when I write my notes I remember them easier

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[mrsronaldweasl…]

Whats a good antonym for ‘older than dirt’?

Ahh..

Well me, im younger zan eh baby!

[Kreacherteacher]

Ancient, antiquated, archaic, primitive, obsolete, antediluvian, prehistoric, outmoded, out-of-date, passe, so yesterday, before the flood, B.C., and my personal favorite: fossil.

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mrsronaldweasley wrote:

Whats a good antonym for ‘older than dirt’?

Ahh..

Well me, im younger zan eh baby!

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[Starlet]

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Kreacherteacher wrote:

Ancient, antiquated, archaic, primitive, obsolete, antediluvian, prehistoric, outmoded, out-of-date, passe, so yesterday, before the flood, B.C., and my personal favorite: fossil.

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mrsronaldweasley wrote:

Whats a good antonym for ‘older than dirt’?

Ahh..

Well me, im younger zan eh baby!

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there when Moses parted the Red Sea, talks about the good ol' days....

[Psychee]

Didn't she ask for an ANTONYM ?  I think you gave her synonyms...

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Kreacherteacher wrote:

Ancient, antiquated, archaic, primitive, obsolete, antediluvian, prehistoric, outmoded, out-of-date, passe, so yesterday, before the flood, B.C., and my personal favorite: fossil.

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mrsronaldweasley wrote:

Whats a good antonym for ‘older than dirt’?

Ahh..

Well me, im younger zan eh baby!

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[Kreacherteacher]

That she did. For shame on me.

[Psychee]

How did Madam Rosmerta work all day in the pub while wearing purple spiked heels?   Has she magicked them somehow so they feel as comfortable to her as athletic shoes? 

[Mollywobbles]

How about...green as grass, wet behind the ears, babes in arms, tenderfoot, newbies, kidlets, jailbait?

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mrsronaldweasley wrote:

Whats a good antonym for ‘older than dirt’?

Ahh..

Well me, im younger zan eh baby!

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[Mollywobbles]

Perhaps she cast an impervius charm on her feet, or soaked them at night in essence of murtlap (that's green isn't it?)

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Psychee wrote:

How did Madam Rosmerta work all day in the pub while wearing purple spiked heels?   Has she magicked them somehow so they feel as comfortable to her as athletic shoes? 

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[Psychee]

Oooh... I like that Impervius Charm idea ! 

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Mollywobbles wrote:

Perhaps she cast an impervius charm on her feet, or soaked them at night in essence of murtlap (that's green isn't it?)

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Psychee wrote:

How did Madam Rosmerta work all day in the pub while wearing purple spiked heels?   Has she magicked them somehow so they feel as comfortable to her as athletic shoes? 

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