Tiny questions that don't matter but I'm asking anyway

[TiggerBear]

I checked, I do have the red herring version. Bonus for going to the midnight party!

[Jules934]

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phrodo41 wrote:
What about the Trace?? Dumbledore or anyone else preforming 'overage' magic would not have the Trace on them, and would not be detected... would they?

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There wasn't actually a "trace" on Harry -- it was something Hermione suspected.   The DE's were following them by their use of "Voldemort".   They figured that only those who were actively agaist Voldy used his name;  everyone else called him "The Dark Loard" or "He Who etc".  Harry got caught in that trap.

[Jules934]

JKR just says Ariana was attacked.  And sbe was never the same after that and could not learn to control her magic.  That's all. 

And, by the way, she doesn't always explain everything.   If she did, we would know what happened durring the missing day between  Hagrid taking Harry out of the rubble at Godric's Hollow and delivering him to Dumbledore at 4 Privet Drive. 

Message Edited by Jules934 on 07-09-2009 01:05 AM

[agnijay]

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Psychee wrote:

But they don't kill a person when they suck out their soul with the kiss.  They just leave them in a vegetative state.  So sometime later, after they get old, they die, but they lost their soul long before that.  How could they have an Afterlife without a soul? 

The depression thing is what the Dementors normally do, siphoning off all the good feelings that a person has, leaving him with just miserable feelings.  But the kiss is what they tried to do to Sirius and Harry (twice).

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I always wondered what was in that potion which Dumbledore drank. Was it maybe some sort of "essence of dementor?" It seemed to have the same effect...

[blinkgirl89]

new question:

 i have been thinking about something lately (i don't know, but yeah) do the books ever say if Molly has red hair?

[Psychee]

The text says that all of the Weasleys have red hair; from that I think it is safe to conclude that Molly had red hair.

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blinkgirl89 wrote:

new question:

 i have been thinking about something lately (i don't know, but yeah) do the books ever say if Molly has red hair?

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[Kreacherteacher]

I came across something in my research for my novel that you all may find interesting. It struck me as funny b/c of the red hair comment. It is in a book called The Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology and Folklore. It says this about red hair:

Even more ominous was red hair or hide, whether on human or animals. Combined with white, red hair was a sure sign of fairy origin. Thus fairy CATTLE were believed to be white with red ears; a dog or cat born with the same coloring was believed to be of fairy blood or a CHANGELING. Red-haired people were, by the same reasoning, believed to have fairy blood.

The book goes on to discuss superstitions revolving around the color red...

It was considered very bad luck to meet a red-haired woman first thing in the morning; a traveler might return home rather than risk continuing a journey that started with such an evil portent. A person dressed in red could prove unlucky if he or she passed in the morning or when one was beginning a project. Red-eared animals were believed to have similar powers to predict (or possibly bring on) difficulties.

[Jules934]

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Psychee wrote:

The text says that all of the Weasleys have red hair; from that I think it is safe to conclude that Molly had red hair.

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blinkgirl89 wrote:

new question:

 i have been thinking about something lately (i don't know, but yeah) do the books ever say if Molly has red hair?

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Whether or not the books really say it depends on this from Sorcerer's Stone, Journey from Platform Nine and Three-Quarters....

"Harry swung around.  The speaker was a plump woman who was talking to four boys, all with flaming red hair." 

Does "all" refer only to the boys, or does it include Molly?  Hmmmmm   Not like JKR to write an ambiguous sentence, not without a good reason, that is. 

[Kreacherteacher]

Page 9 in Prisoner of Azkaban refers to the nine Weasley's in a black and white photograph and says, "all (though the black and white picture didn't show it) with flaming-red hair". I don't think that's ambiguous. The word "all" does not conjure ambiguities.

Message Edited by Kreacherteacher on 07-13-2009 12:56 PM

[Jules934]

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Kreacherteacher wrote:
Page 9 in Prisoner of Azkaban refers to the nine Weasley's in a black and white photograph and says, "all (though the black and white picture didn't show it) with flaming-red hair". I don't think that's ambiguous. The word "all" does not conjure ambiguities.

Message Edited by Kreacherteacher on 07-13-2009 12:56 PM

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Right! Clear as a bell in that context. 

[Kat-NE]

I hate to go back to the "what happened to Voldemorts body" question, but its know bothering me.  I don't think he left his body behind after he "died" at the Potter's house.  I don't know how they would know he was dead unless they found his body, but I don't think it said he left his body behind in the book.  To add to that, How did he still have his wand?  It's not like a Death Eater got into the house and kept it for safe keeping.  He said in book seven that he was always happy with his wand, and it was the same one he always had.

Another question:  Where did Kreacher get the food to prepare for Harry, Ron and Hermione when they where at Sirius' house in DH.  If food cannot be transfigured or appear out of thin air, where did it come from?  I know house elves have their own magic, but would it go that far? I don't know if this was answered before I joined the board, but it's bothering me. 

[Psychee]

I'm of the opinion that just because JKR didn't say anything in the books about Voldemort leaving his body behind does not mean that there was no body.  However, JKR did say that Dumbledore had some kind of monitoring device on the house, and that the monitoring device had let him know that Voldemort had killed the Potters.  I suppose that same monitoring device might have also told him that Voldemort was "dead".

I do have an anwer for you about the wand, though.  JKR told readers that Wormtail (as a rat) retrieved it and hid it for safekeeping.  He then brought it to Albania to give it back to Voldy twelve years later. 

Kreacher's food... I assume he magicked it from somewhere else, the same way that Mrs. Weasley did.  Presumably there is some kind of magic grocery store from which people can take things?  Perhaps there is also some kind of magic accounting system that goes with it, debiting the Gringott's account of the taker.  In this case, it would have been the Black account.  Just a guess, though!

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Kat-NE wrote:

I hate to go back to the "what happened to Voldemorts body" question, but its know bothering me.  I don't think he left his body behind after he "died" at the Potter's house.  I don't know how they would know he was dead unless they found his body, but I don't think it said he left his body behind in the book.  To add to that, How did he still have his wand?  It's not like a Death Eater got into the house and kept it for safe keeping.  He said in book seven that he was always happy with his wand, and it was the same one he always had.

Another question:  Where did Kreacher get the food to prepare for Harry, Ron and Hermione when they where at Sirius' house in DH.  If food cannot be transfigured or appear out of thin air, where did it come from?  I know house elves have their own magic, but would it go that far? I don't know if this was answered before I joined the board, but it's bothering me. 

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[Jules934]

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Psychee wrote:

"........... I'm of the opinion that just because JKR didn't say anything in the books about Voldemort leaving his body behind does not mean that there was no body.  ......."

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Psychee ..... I hope you don't mind me abridging your post -- is that approved of here?  I just wanted to focus in on that one point.

There had to have been one, because as Voldy himself said......

"........ I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost. . . but still I was alive.  What I was, even I do not know.  ....... I had not been killed. .......... I had no body.........."                                       OtP: The Death Eaters

Maybe it shriveled up and vanished into smoke.  Maybe Wormtail disposed of it.  Maybe the "rich man" who owned the Riddle house claimed it.   Maybe it was there in the graveyard (Under what name? Would/Could the muggles have recognized it?  Would Bathilda have told?) and Harry and Hernione never came across it.  There were many things that JKR did not tell us about what happened that night.

Oh dear -- "spellcheck" wanted to replace "Voldemort"  with "voltmeter" 

[Jules934]

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Psychee wrote:

..............Kreacher's food... I assume he magicked it from somewhere else, the same way that Mrs. Weasley did.  Presumably there is some kind of magic grocery store from which people can take things?  Perhaps there is also some kind of magic accounting system that goes with it, debiting the Gringott's account of the taker.  In this case, it would have been the Black account.  Just a guess, though!

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Somewhere it says that while food can't be created out of thin air, if you have some, more can be magicked from that.  I remember that catching my eye because I wondered if JKR was implying that magic was going on in biblical times. 

I love the idea of the grocery store, with a feed to Gringotts!!!!!   Perhaps the magical world foresaw today's muggle economic problems, and, by going straight to Debit Cards, avoided the whole credit card fiasco.  Dumbledore was right. 

[Psychee]

Hi, Jules!  No problem about the abridged quote! 

If there WAS a body, though, it would have been at the Potter's house, not the Riddle house.  Wormtail could have transfigured or buried it before Sirius and Hagrid got there, or if it was still there, Sirius or Dumbledore could have done that. 

The other possibility, as you pointed out, was that it disintegrated into dust when Voldy's remaining soul part was ripped from it.

We just can't tell which of these happened from the text.

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Jules934 wrote:

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Psychee wrote:

"........... I'm of the opinion that just because JKR didn't say anything in the books about Voldemort leaving his body behind does not mean that there was no body.  ......."

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Psychee ..... I hope you don't mind me abridging your post -- is that approved of here?  I just wanted to focus in on that one point.

There had to have been one, because as Voldy himself said......

"........ I was ripped from my body, I was less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost. . . but still I was alive.  What I was, even I do not know.  ....... I had not been killed. .......... I had no body.........."                                       OtP: The Death Eaters

Maybe it shriveled up and vanished into smoke.  Maybe Wormtail disposed of it.  Maybe the "rich man" who owned the Riddle house claimed it.   Maybe it was there in the graveyard (Under what name? Would/Could the muggles have recognized it?  Would Bathilda have told?) and Harry and Hernione never came across it.  There were many things that JKR did not tell us about what happened that night.

Oh dear -- "spellcheck" wanted to replace "Voldemort"  with "voltmeter" 

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[Jules934]

Right -- any body would have been at the Potters.  I just mentioned the Riddle House because it was mentioned that there was a "rich man" who had something to do with that house after the Riddles erm, ... died.  Want to bet that that "rich man" had white-blond hair, grey eyes, a pointed chin and was quite chummy with Voldy?  Lucius may have been able to get to Godric's Hollow and dispose of the body -- Hmmm, what would he have transfigured it into..........

I'd think, tho, that the body was there, and when the muggles came to the scene, they couldn't identify it and simply gave him a decent burial in the churchyard.  An end much better than he desirved.

[Psychee]

Yes, I always thought the "rich man" was Lucius Malfoy, too.  There is a reason, though, why I don't think he had anything to do with Voldy's body, and that is that if he had, then Bellatrix et al would not have gone to the Longbottoms trying to get information about Voldy's whereabouts after he died-  they would have already known through Lucius.

As I write about this, though, it just occurred to me that Bellatrix's reason for torturing the Longbottoms might not have been in the book -- JKR gave us so much additional information after the books came out that sometimes it is hard for me to keep track!  But trust me, that was the reason JKR gave us.

[Mollywobbles]

Wow, if you don't get to post for a while, there sure is a lot of catch up to do!

Interesting-I never thought the "rich man" comment regarding the Riddle house had anything to do with Lucius Malfoy.  Didn't the text say something like the rich man kept it for "tax purposes"?  Would wizards pay taxes on a property in the muggle world?  If Lucius bought the place and intended to keep it as some kind of a shrine to Voldemort, he didn't do much to maintain the place, did he?  Also, would Lucius have employed a muggle groundskeeper-Frank Bryce?

I assumed that since the Riddle family were muggles, that the property remained in the muggle world until Voldemort took up residence there at the beginning of GOF.

I do believe that the text (somewhere) says that Bella did torture the Longbottoms for info about Voldemort, but I can't quite recall where the comment was made.

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Psychee wrote:

Yes, I always thought the "rich man" was Lucius Malfoy, too.  There is a reason, though, why I don't think he had anything to do with Voldy's body, and that is that if he had, then Bellatrix et al would not have gone to the Longbottoms trying to get information about Voldy's whereabouts after he died-  they would have already known through Lucius.

As I write about this, though, it just occurred to me that Bellatrix's reason for torturing the Longbottoms might not have been in the book -- JKR gave us so much additional information after the books came out that sometimes it is hard for me to keep track!  But trust me, that was the reason JKR gave us.

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[Psychee]

Welcome back, Mollywobbles!

Actually, this brings up a whole issue as to what happened to the Riddle estate after the family was killed.  Tom Riddle was, insofar as we know, the legal heir.  Not that the Riddles would have named him in their wills, as they didn't know anything about him.  But couldn't Tom magick some "influence" and get the inheritance?

That would leave Malfoy saying that he is the owner while he was merely the legal "custodian", not able to sell the place, but still paying the taxes and the caretaker out of Voldemort's inheritance money?  Malfoy would only do as much as was needed to maintain ownership, lest someday Voldy came back and punished him.  Keeping Frank Bryce around would be a good idea, as he could handle any muggle dealings that might come up.

I mean really ... what tax advantage could owning a mansion that you do not live in have?

As for the taxes... they could be paid honestly or else the bills might be handled magically by making the town think that they are paid.

[ConnieAnnKirk]

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Jules934 wrote:

Psychee ..... I hope you don't mind me abridging your post -- is that approved of here?  I just wanted to focus in on that one point.

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Jules--FYI--Yes; just so you know "officially"--abridging posts for replies is not only approved of in the BN.com Book Club forums, but encouraged!  Thanks!