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Yes, it was explained and no it did not have anything to do with the Put-Outer. 

 

I assume you don't want more information than that -- but if you do, let us know!


Yes please refresh.. I have read this but I cant remember and I have like 1/3 of the book togo b4 I get there!

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Snape learned where they were when Hermione was explaining to Harry why she had brought them to the Forest of Dean while her bag was open.  Phineas Nigellus was in his portrait in her bag listening at the time, and he told Snape where to find them.

 


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OTT...

 

I'm rereading book 7, just because I can not not read 7 after rereading the series! And I know I'll get to this soon but I wanted to check... Did they explain how Snape found Harry and knew where to leave the sword? And did it have anything to do with the 'put outter' like he could over hear it when Ron was looking for HP and HG?

 

I cant remember for the life of me and I dont have the patients to wait till I'm up to it!


 

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Well said, Pschee!

 

As you have stated, there's no point for Snape to spy on Death Eaters as Voldemort didn't come back and he could get no valuable information. Before the return of Voldemort, his prime concern would be to help DD  protect Harry and run the school. And I think to attend such social events as the world cup didn't fit Snape's personality. I am under the impression that he was unsociable and introverted, so it's unlikely that he would turn up at the world cup, especially when the event linked with the sport he hated most (I suspect watching every Quidditch match would evoke his bitter memory about James) .

 

Another question: how would the Ministry deposit criminals' wands?

 

In PoA, when Sirius escaped from Azkaban, he didn't bring his wand, leaving readers an impression that his wand had been confiscated or destroyed. This impression was strengthened when I reread OotP, in which Harry received a notice announcing his wand would be destroyed as he had broken the law of underage sorcery. But in the same book, when Bellatrix and other Death Eaters broke out from Azkaban, they seemed to get their wands with no difficulty which was proved in DH, as Ollivander examined her wand. the same was true of Lucius's wand. If in harry's case the wand should be destroyed, so must be with the wands of felons as Bellatrix. How could they get their wands back that easily? Any ideas?


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I guess our differences in opinion on this have to do with what role we think Snape took during the quiet years between the wars.

 

I imagined him holding a respectable job at Hogwarts, not ever doing anything to jeopardize that, and Malfoy respecting his need to do that.

 

I also imagined the friendship between Snape and Malfoy being cemented by the fact that Snape never gave evidence against Malfoy, allowing him to be free after the war.  Snape also protected Draco, making excuses for him, as Head of Slytherin.  I didn't see the need for Snape to "keep up appearances" as a DeathEater.

 

I did not see anything to learn as a spy at the Quidditch match.  He already knew who the bad guys were and how they operated.

 

I saw his dual spy role re-starting only when he sensed that Voldemort was coming back.  

 

 

But you imagine his "quiet years" role as a more active one and even though it is not the view I had, I think there is room between the lines of text to allow that impression;  it is a reasonable one.

 

Can we agree to disagree?

 

:smileyhappy:

 


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Those people were the Death Eaters who had been cleared, Lucius Malfoy among them.   True, they didn't know that Voldemort was on his way back; they may have behaved better if they had known he was just biding his time until the Tri-Wizard Cup was over.  

 

I see no reason for Snape not to be there; I'm sure Dumbledore approved.  Malfoy was, and they were on friendly terms.  Snape had to keep up appearances.  He was posing as a member of the clan; saying home from the party would be suspicious.  Plus, it was a good spy-opp. 

 

Once there he would have had to participate whole heartedly in the "activities" or be thought a muggle lover.  Then things got out of hand.  Perhaps the firewiskey was flowing too freely.  Perhaps he was just setting off spells without intending to injure anyone.  Perhaps injuring a blood trator was a good way to reinforce his position. 


 


 

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I've wondered about that as well.

 

One thought is that the destruction of wands only happens when an underage wizard gets expelled, as in the case of Hagrid, or death, as in the case of Odo.   Perhaps the rationale for not destroying the wands of criminals is that they may one day get a pardon or parole or one day some evidence may come to light that proves their innocence.

 

But where do they put the confiscated wands?  I suppose they could be kept in Azkaban under a security spell, in which case Bella et al might have retrieved their wands with the help of the Dementors or Voldemort.

 

The other thought is that the wands were just kept by their families or friends. 

 

Do you like any of those ideas?

 


matrim wrote:

Well said, Pschee!

 

 

Another question: how would the Ministry deposit criminals' wands?

 

In PoA, when Sirius escaped from Azkaban, he didn't bring his wand, leaving readers an impression that his wand had been confiscated or destroyed. This impression was strengthened when I reread OotP, in which Harry received a notice announcing his wand would be destroyed as he had broken the law of underage sorcery. But in the same book, when Bellatrix and other Death Eaters broke out from Azkaban, they seemed to get their wands with no difficulty which was proved in DH, as Ollivander examined her wand. the same was true of Lucius's wand. If in harry's case the wand should be destroyed, so must be with the wands of felons as Bellatrix. How could they get their wands back that easily? Any ideas?

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Silly new idea...

 

Wouldn't Harry have been able to get all of Malfoy's secrets by giving him a love potion?

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 

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Silly new idea...

 

Wouldn't Harry have been able to get all of Malfoy's secrets by giving him a love potion?

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 


Yeah, but he would've had to take the polyjuice potion and impersonated Crabbe again. It wasn't worth it to Harry.

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Kreacherteacher wrote:

Psychee wrote:

Silly new idea...

 

Wouldn't Harry have been able to get all of Malfoy's secrets by giving him a love potion?

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 


Yeah, but he would've had to take the polyjuice potion and impersonated Crabbe again. It wasn't worth it to Harry.


 

Why would you say that?  I was imagining having him send love potion-laced chocolates from Weasley Wizard Wheezes on Valentine's Day, with a card saying they were from some hot girl. 

 

Just the thought of having Malfoy moon over Harry tickles me.

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Why would you say that?  I was imagining having him send love potion-laced chocolates from Weasley Wizard Wheezes on Valentine's Day, with a card saying they were from some hot girl. 

 

Just the thought of having Malfoy moon over Harry tickles me.


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It was a bad joke meant to imply that Malfoy and Crabbe had a thing going.

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lol!  That went entirely over my head!  :smileyhappy:
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Although the sensible thing to do would be to take out both boys, I don't think Voldemort was sensible.  He had saved his last Horcrux making for Harry, according to JKR.  That indicates to me that he made his decision that Harry was the one destined to kill him.

 

Moreover, if he had wanted to kill Neville, I think Bella would have known about it and would have gotten Neville when she went after his parents.

 

I don't think Neville was on the target list at all.


Yes, the "sensible" thing for the most ruthless, evil, dark wizard of all time to do would have been to go after them both.  And, LoL, there is no way I can argue that Voldy displayed good sense.  After all, for example, he went thru that whole Tri-wizard Cup/Portkey thing when, if a portkey was all he needed, one could have been put in Harry's path at any time.

 

But, about Bella -- Only Dumbledore, Snape and Voldy knew of the prophecy.  Voldy didn't tell anone, let alone that lovely loose cannon.

 

Now a question -- did JKR herself say that Harry's death was to be the horcrux?  I remember that that was Dumbledore's speculation.    I wish there was a list of everything she said -- maybe that could be her #1 proroity for the Scottish Book (HP Encyclopedia) and she could release it in chapters.  Get that Jo?  LoL

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I've wondered about that as well.

 

One thought is that the destruction of wands only happens when an underage wizard gets expelled, as in the case of Hagrid, or death, as in the case of Odo.   Perhaps the rationale for not destroying the wands of criminals is that they may one day get a pardon or parole or one day some evidence may come to light that proves their innocence.

 

But where do they put the confiscated wands?  I suppose they could be kept in Azkaban under a security spell, in which case Bella et al might have retrieved their wands with the help of the Dementors or Voldemort.

 

The other thought is that the wands were just kept by their families or friends. 

 

Do you like any of those ideas?

 


I'd bet on the later idea if they had advanced knowlege of an impending arest, but a confiscated wand locker some where in the ministry for all those taken unawares.
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ROTFL!  All that's missing is Good evening witches and wizards and all the ships at sea! 

 

I wonder how many of our posters have the faintest idea what we are chuckling about.


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"Hello, world.  THIS is Edward Psychee Murrow, speaking to you from Hogwart's Academy of Witchcraft and Wizardry, where Herr Voldemort has not yet arrived for what promises to be a magical showdown...." 

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 


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No way, I genuflect in your presence! Here, have another laurel,the title makes you sound like Edward R. Murrow.:smileywink: 

 

 

 

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I don't think so Jules.  Under orders from both Dumbledore and Voldemort, Snape kept a low profile-the better to insinuate himself in either Hogwarts or the Death Eater gang.

 

What the mob was up to at the Quidditch World Cup was just nastiness.  No way would Snape risk exposing his position for a spot of muggle baiting.

 

The dark mark on Snape's arm may indeed have been growing darker at the beginning of Book 4, but that alone wouldn't lure Snape to go the Quidditch World Cup.  Why would he think that Voldemort would reappear there, of all places?  Too public, too many Ministry employees etc. Besides, I don't think Snape was really into Quidditch (he hated James' Quidditch prowess)-he just liked to win.


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Those people were the Death Eaters who had been cleared, Lucius Malfoy among them.   True, they didn't know that Voldemort was on his way back; they may have behaved better if they had known he was just biding his time until the Tri-Wizard Cup was over.  

 

I see no reason for Snape not to be there; I'm sure Dumbledore approved.  Malfoy was, and they were on friendly terms.  Snape had to keep up appearances.  He was posing as a member of the clan; saying home from the party would be suspicious.  Plus, it was a good spy-opp. 

 

Once there he would have had to participate whole heartedly in the "activities" or be thought a muggle lover.  Then things got out of hand.  Perhaps the firewiskey was flowing too freely.  Perhaps he was just setting off spells without intending to injure anyone.  Perhaps injuring a blood trator was a good way to reinforce his position. 


 

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EEWWW, Ick!


Kreacherteacher wrote:

Psychee wrote:

Silly new idea...

 

Wouldn't Harry have been able to get all of Malfoy's secrets by giving him a love potion?

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 


Yeah, but he would've had to take the polyjuice potion and impersonated Crabbe again. It wasn't worth it to Harry.


 

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I've thought of these two alternatives, but it still seems odd that a minor charge like Harry's would result in destroying the wand while a convicted murderer could get his or her wand locked away or kept in his or her home.

Psychee wrote:

I've wondered about that as well.

 

One thought is that the destruction of wands only happens when an underage wizard gets expelled, as in the case of Hagrid, or death, as in the case of Odo.   Perhaps the rationale for not destroying the wands of criminals is that they may one day get a pardon or parole or one day some evidence may come to light that proves their innocence.

 

But where do they put the confiscated wands?  I suppose they could be kept in Azkaban under a security spell, in which case Bella et al might have retrieved their wands with the help of the Dementors or Voldemort.

 

The other thought is that the wands were just kept by their families or friends. 

 

Do you like any of those ideas?

 



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Could there maybe be a law that the only reason there would be to distroy a wizards wand was should they faulter prior to becoming qualified. And once they become qualified wizards the only way to break a wand would be Dark magic...

 

(this wouldnt explain Rons wand breaking in the car though, unless the wands of unqualified wizards dont yet have that protection????)

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That's some idea!:smileywink:

But the trouble was, Harry had to keep Draco safely locked up, otherwise people would probably spot Draco wandering around the castle and moaning, "Where's my love Harry?!"

I'd love to see that, though!


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Silly new idea...

 

Wouldn't Harry have been able to get all of Malfoy's secrets by giving him a love potion?

 

:smileyhappy:

 

 


 

 

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Apart from Ron's case, in OotP Umbridge's wand was snapped in two by a centaur's hoof, so I think wands could be destroyed by sheer force (really fragile things, come to think of it). And in DH, when Hermione broke Harry's wand accidently, she wasn't using dark magic either.

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Could there maybe be a law that the only reason there would be to distroy a wizards wand was should they faulter prior to becoming qualified. And once they become qualified wizards the only way to break a wand would be Dark magic...

 

(this wouldnt explain Rons wand breaking in the car though, unless the wands of unqualified wizards dont yet have that protection????)


 

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Matrim  -you are so right.. I completely forgot about those wands breaking...

 

maybe theres a spell the DE's put on their wands to ensure they can not be broken, like the permanent sticking charm but unbreakable.

 

Or perhaps one to make their wands disappear just b4 capture!

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matrim wrote:
I've thought of these two alternatives, but it still seems odd that a minor charge like Harry's would result in destroying the wand while a convicted murderer could get his or her wand locked away or kept in his or her home.

Psychee wrote:

I've wondered about that as well.

 

One thought is that the destruction of wands only happens when an underage wizard gets expelled, as in the case of Hagrid, or death, as in the case of Odo.   Perhaps the rationale for not destroying the wands of criminals is that they may one day get a pardon or parole or one day some evidence may come to light that proves their innocence.

 

But where do they put the confiscated wands?  I suppose they could be kept in Azkaban under a security spell, in which case Bella et al might have retrieved their wands with the help of the Dementors or Voldemort.

 

The other thought is that the wands were just kept by their families or friends. 

 

Do you like any of those ideas?

 




 

Yes, it does seem odd.  I think we can explain the threat by the Ministry to break Harry's wand by the nasty politics going on at the time, though.

 

Hagrid's case may have also involved nasty politics -- at worst, they only thought he killed Moaning Myrtle by accident (through Aragog).  But he was half-giant, so there might have been an extra intolerance at work there.

 

But Lalo's comment about underage wizards getting their wands broken is a good thought as well.  There might be a belief that a half-trained wizard with a history of breaking rules is more dangerous to society than a full trained wizard murderer in Azkaban.  They want to prevent the half-trained one from ever using magic again, basically giving him a "dead-wizard" sentence, while they are allowing the chance that the murderer might one day return to society.